Colleges that do NOT push individual pronouns

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Anonymous wrote:I think we should all just keep guessing about people's genders. It makes things interesting and gives me something to gossip about.

Who gossips around person's gender??

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP, not angry just feel sorry for you and feel even more sorry for your kid.

I feel sorry for you and your kid, too. You are so judgmental of those who see things differently than you do. I have said I have no problem whatsoever with showing respect and calling someone the pronouns they would like to be called. The fact that I have the opinion that it is a bit much for ALL people to do it is worthy of your condemnation is ludicrous.

NP. You would have a point if that was actually your view, but it's not.

"Having the opinion that it is a bit much" for all people ***should voluntarily share pronouns if they want to*** is one thing.

But you don't just think "it's a bit much." You think it's a dealbreaker. You think it means an entire institution is unfit to educate your child. You think it creates a dangerous, immoral, corrupt environment.

So which is it, OP? Either "it's a bit much" or "it is deeply and fundamentally problematic for colleges to offer signals to the community that LGBTQ folks are welcome and will be respected"?

The person you are responding to is not the OP.

Yes, you're correct. Thank you. Not the OP. Does the pp think there is only one person here who disagrees with them? Or is pp overwhelmed by someone who sees things in shades of gray?

[Anonymous]

0.6% of the population is estimated to be transgender (1). So the other 99.4% of people are expected to state their preferred pronouns? More people are color blind (4.5%) than transgender. Should we also state our ability to see color so others can act accordingly (tell me what color you are showing me; excuse me if my clothes don't match; know to help me at the store when I'm buying clothes; etc.)? If you're transgender, great. Let me know, if that's important to you. Indeed, one of my professional connections decided to tell me she was previously a 'he'. Fine by me, I actually had no idea. It didn't change my view of her. And yes, I use 'her' for this person.

But why should we all follow a state-your-pronoun protocol?

(1) https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/health/transgender-population.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:0.6% of the population is estimated to be transgender (1). So the other 99.4% of people are expected to state their preferred pronouns? More people are color blind (4.5%) than transgender. Should we also state our ability to see color so others can act accordingly (tell me what color you are showing me; excuse me if my clothes don't match; know to help me at the store when I'm buying clothes; etc.)? If you're transgender, great. Let me know, if that's important to you. Indeed, one of my professional connections decided to tell me she was previously a 'he'. Fine by me, I actually had no idea. It didn't change my view of her. And yes, I use 'her' for this person.

But why should we all follow a state-your-pronoun protocol?

(1) https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/health/transgender-population.html

You don't have to. Feel free to ignore it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:0.6% of the population is estimated to be transgender (1). So the other 99.4% of people are expected to state their preferred pronouns? More people are color blind (4.5%) than transgender. Should we also state our ability to see color so others can act accordingly (tell me what color you are showing me; excuse me if my clothes don't match; know to help me at the store when I'm buying clothes; etc.)? If you're transgender, great. Let me know, if that's important to you. Indeed, one of my professional connections decided to tell me she was previously a 'he'. Fine by me, I actually had no idea. It didn't change my view of her. And yes, I use 'her' for this person.

But why should we all follow a state-your-pronoun protocol?

(1) https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/health/transgender-population.html

While I appreciate the sentiment of the above poster and particularly like the analogy, there is arguably a bit of confusion in here that warrants clarification. The poster acknowledges that she has used the pronoun of a trans colleague's transgender identity -- and didn't even know that person was trans -- and evidently it didn't created any problem. It is a misnomer that all LGBT people view the pronoun /identity bit in the same way. In my experience, most people who are transgender do not have any desire for others except for close friends or family members to know that once they have transitioned (of course like all people there are exceptions.) It is only during that awkward stage of transitioning how a person will live his/her life differently than in the past that this becomes an issue with people they know already when they come out. The nonbinary thing is different because people who identify in that way will never be happy with he or she; so they seek new pronouns like "they" or "zee." I think the posters comments apply more to the non-binary world than to the Transworld.
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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the single stupidest criterion I’ve heard for picking colleges. Get a real problem.

It's not stupid. I don't want my child indoctrinated into thinking that picking your own pronouns is normal. Again, if a person is truly intersex, I understand that this person will have special circumstances.

I agree PP but it's done everywhere. If it makes you feel better, a lot of the parents roll their eyes and tolerate it. The indoctrination at most colleges is on a disgusting level.

[Anonymous]

Ridiculous thread! Seriously if you think your student an adult in the eyes of the University and the law will be indoctrinated by pronouns then they should not be at college. College is for critical thinkers not idiots!

[Anonymous]

Hi Penny - Virginia Tech has a deep commitment to respect all individuals & to value human diversity. Asking for & stating one’s pronoun is a way to show respect for another person’s gender identity, but no one in the VT community is required to do so.

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https://adultingkinda.weebly.com/blog/an-open-letter-response-to-the-author-of-the-federalist-article-my-sons-freshman-orientation-at-virginia-tech-was-full-of-leftist-propaganda?fbclid=IwAR2i-OsdQ_70eVPWDi74rnAtEQKOLMoYcwcJBz6A956Piv9cqYvmM_JY1W0

[Anonymous]

Columbia did not have any lgbqlmnop lingo. They were very 1990 normal.

NYU - you got the, "my name is Al and I ho by the pronoun they.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ridiculous thread! Seriously if you think your student an adult in the eyes of the University and the law will be indoctrinated by pronouns then they should not be at college. College is for critical thinkers not idiots!

College is for liberal indoctrination. Do you not realize how few conservatives are hired to teach at our colleges??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ridiculous thread! Seriously if you think your student an adult in the eyes of the University and the law will be indoctrinated by pronouns then they should not be at college. College is for critical thinkers not idiots!

+1 Seriously!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ridiculous thread! Seriously if you think your student an adult in the eyes of the University and the law will be indoctrinated by pronouns then they should not be at college. College is for critical thinkers not idiots!

College is for liberal indoctrination. Do you not realize how few conservatives are hired to teach at our colleges??

Probably because conservatives are averse to facts and reason.

[Anonymous]

This thread is ridiculous. The op ed author should take her adult son out of VT and let someone else get a great education. VT is in the business of educating students so they will be able to get a job. From my experience as an employer and a parent (GO HOKIES) VT does this extremely well. To anyone who is worried their young adult is going to be indoctrinated by "Liberal views" put your adult in private college that fits your bigoted thought process! Again GO HOKIES!!!! VT is a public University with over 25,000 students there are plenty of conservative students there and they seem to be doing just fine.

[Anonymous]

If you are truly interested in the criterion you mentioned, I recommend that you look into the university of Indonesia. Bahasa Indonesia language has a gender neutral pronoun for he/ she (dua).

https://www.ui.ac.id/

However if you are really seeking a social majority that primarily identifies as white, Christian and heterosexual then this may not be your preferred choice. (Indonesian culture has many drag queens who enjoy relative social acceptance).

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tales-of-the-waria-indonesia_b_1546629