Handmaid's Tale Season 3

[Anonymous]

I read an interesting theory that Serena does want Nichole back, but only so she can take custody of her and then escape to Canada herself. She saw that Luke actually does want her and will not let her go, so had to come up with an alternative plan (to defecting and then getting Nichole back) to both have Nichole safely away from Gilead and be her mother.

It makes sense out of Serena's apparent change of heart and distancing from June this season, and her show of warming up to Fred again despite the fact that he betrayed her and had her finger chopped off. She needs him to get Nichole back.

[Anonymous]

Boring episode. I wish they would would update Emily or Nick.

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Anonymous wrote:This last episode was unwatchable (waiting in the hospital).

Ugh, agree! I literally fast forwarded through the whole thing, only pausing when it seemed like there might be dialogue. Can. Not. Stand. The. Face. Closeups.

And did I miss it: was she hallucinating those interactions? Because the idea that they would leave her in the room, alone, unchained, with sharps, with the pregnant woman is beyond unrealistic. And she tries to stab Serena and Serena is like, "Oh, well, whatever. Guess I'll gasp and leave."

They obviously have no where to take the story. I think I'm done.

I think I got more out of the episode than some others in this thread.

Lydia knows that traditional methods of torture don’t work on June, so she comes up with other methods to punish her (making handmaids participate in executions, isolating June, on her knees, for months).

I don’t think the sharps thing was unrealistic; June has had mostly free range of all the houses that she has lived in, with access to knives and open doors the whole time. Lydia knows that June knows that taking advantage of those weapons or means of escape would end with her on the wall. That fact is so well understood that the doctor correctly assumed that June was so depressed she was suicidal when she used the sharp on Serena. Serena could see that June was mentally ill when she had her brief exchange, and was clearly disturbed by it. That, and the fact that June and Serena actually have a bond despite everything, is why Serena didn’t turn her in.

In the houses, yes, but not in the red center. She's in that room being actively tortured in the presence of an unconscious woman they know she hated. There is no way there would be no surveillance.

What would they need surveillance for? June would automatically be blamed if the baby (forget Natalie) was deliberately harmed, and she wouldn’t get far. The threat of swift capital punishment is all the deterrent they need. [/quote]

And the baby would already be harmed/dead. The entire premise of the show is that children are the most valued and valuable commodity and the society has been created around enslaving fertile women in order to reproduce. Natalie is being kept alive as an incubator. They don't care what happens to her. But that baby is precious. So what if they kill June once the baby is dead. The baby would be dead!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boring episode. I wish they would would update Emily or Nick.

I don’t want any more individual character focus- I want forward movement!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read an interesting theory that Serena does want Nichole back, but only so she can take custody of her and then escape to Canada herself. She saw that Luke actually does want her and will not let her go, so had to come up with an alternative plan (to defecting and then getting Nichole back) to both have Nichole safely away from Gilead and be her mother.

It makes sense out of Serena's apparent change of heart and distancing from June this season, and her show of warming up to Fred again despite the fact that he betrayed her and had her finger chopped off. She needs him to get Nichole back.

I love a child who has already survived a harrowing trip to escape Gilead.
I have the opportunity to visit this child in Canada, see she is thriving, and am invited to stay there.
I return to Gilead with the plan to removing child from Canada and returning her to Gilead so that I can make another escape attempt with her?

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Anonymous wrote:I read an interesting theory that Serena does want Nichole back, but only so she can take custody of her and then escape to Canada herself. She saw that Luke actually does want her and will not let her go, so had to come up with an alternative plan (to defecting and then getting Nichole back) to both have Nichole safely away from Gilead and be her mother.

It makes sense out of Serena's apparent change of heart and distancing from June this season, and her show of warming up to Fred again despite the fact that he betrayed her and had her finger chopped off. She needs him to get Nichole back.

I love a child who has already survived a harrowing trip to escape Gilead.
I have the opportunity to visit this child in Canada, see she is thriving, and am invited to stay there.
I return to Gilead with the plan to removing child from Canada and returning her to Gilead so that I can make another escape attempt with her?

Yep. She’s got baby fever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read an interesting theory that Serena does want Nichole back, but only so she can take custody of her and then escape to Canada herself. She saw that Luke actually does want her and will not let her go, so had to come up with an alternative plan (to defecting and then getting Nichole back) to both have Nichole safely away from Gilead and be her mother.

It makes sense out of Serena's apparent change of heart and distancing from June this season, and her show of warming up to Fred again despite the fact that he betrayed her and had her finger chopped off. She needs him to get Nichole back.

I love a child who has already survived a harrowing trip to escape Gilead.
I have the opportunity to visit this child in Canada, see she is thriving, and am invited to stay there.
I return to Gilead with the plan to removing child from Canada and returning her to Gilead so that I can make another escape attempt with her?

If this theory is correct, Serena likely envisions a different kind of escape; perhaps defection on an “official” visit to Canada with the help of her contact there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read an interesting theory that Serena does want Nichole back, but only so she can take custody of her and then escape to Canada herself. She saw that Luke actually does want her and will not let her go, so had to come up with an alternative plan (to defecting and then getting Nichole back) to both have Nichole safely away from Gilead and be her mother.

It makes sense out of Serena's apparent change of heart and distancing from June this season, and her show of warming up to Fred again despite the fact that he betrayed her and had her finger chopped off. She needs him to get Nichole back.

I love a child who has already survived a harrowing trip to escape Gilead.
I have the opportunity to visit this child in Canada, see she is thriving, and am invited to stay there.
I return to Gilead with the plan to removing child from Canada and returning her to Gilead so that I can make another escape attempt with her?

If this theory is correct, Serena likely envisions a different kind of escape; perhaps defection on an “official” visit to Canada with the help of her contact there.

Once Nichole is returned, why would Serena need to return there with her again? She’d likely be left behind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read an interesting theory that Serena does want Nichole back, but only so she can take custody of her and then escape to Canada herself. She saw that Luke actually does want her and will not let her go, so had to come up with an alternative plan (to defecting and then getting Nichole back) to both have Nichole safely away from Gilead and be her mother.

It makes sense out of Serena's apparent change of heart and distancing from June this season, and her show of warming up to Fred again despite the fact that he betrayed her and had her finger chopped off. She needs him to get Nichole back.

I love a child who has already survived a harrowing trip to escape Gilead.
I have the opportunity to visit this child in Canada, see she is thriving, and am invited to stay there.
I return to Gilead with the plan to removing child from Canada and returning her to Gilead so that I can make another escape attempt with her?

If this theory is correct, Serena likely envisions a different kind of escape; perhaps defection on an “official” visit to Canada with the help of her contact there.

Once Nichole is returned, why would Serena need to return there with her again? She’d likely be left behind.

Serena wants Nichole badly, but she seems to not want her to grow up in Gilead. If she were to just defect to Canada now, Luke would not willingly hand over Nichole. If Serena gets Nichole back through official diplomatic channels and then leaves Gilead it’s Luke who would have to fight for custody of Nichole. Neither one is Nichole’s biological parent and neither one seems to have an ironclad claim to custody from an objective perspective, but the international community seems to be caught up in ideas of diplomacy as opposed to what’s right and just.

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Anonymous wrote:I read an interesting theory that Serena does want Nichole back, but only so she can take custody of her and then escape to Canada herself. She saw that Luke actually does want her and will not let her go, so had to come up with an alternative plan (to defecting and then getting Nichole back) to both have Nichole safely away from Gilead and be her mother.

It makes sense out of Serena's apparent change of heart and distancing from June this season, and her show of warming up to Fred again despite the fact that he betrayed her and had her finger chopped off. She needs him to get Nichole back.

I love a child who has already survived a harrowing trip to escape Gilead.
I have the opportunity to visit this child in Canada, see she is thriving, and am invited to stay there.
I return to Gilead with the plan to removing child from Canada and returning her to Gilead so that I can make another escape attempt with her?

If this theory is correct, Serena likely envisions a different kind of escape; perhaps defection on an “official” visit to Canada with the help of her contact there.

Once Nichole is returned, why would Serena need to return there with her again? She’d likely be left behind.

Serena wants Nichole badly, but she seems to not want her to grow up in Gilead. If she were to just defect to Canada now, Luke would not willingly hand over Nichole. If Serena gets Nichole back through official diplomatic channels and then leaves Gilead it’s Luke who would have to fight for custody of Nichole. Neither one is Nichole’s biological parent and neither one seems to have an ironclad claim to custody from an objective perspective, but the international community seems to be caught up in ideas of diplomacy as opposed to what’s right and just.

Gilead will claim that Serena is the true parent. That last episode was really dull.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read an interesting theory that Serena does want Nichole back, but only so she can take custody of her and then escape to Canada herself. She saw that Luke actually does want her and will not let her go, so had to come up with an alternative plan (to defecting and then getting Nichole back) to both have Nichole safely away from Gilead and be her mother.

It makes sense out of Serena's apparent change of heart and distancing from June this season, and her show of warming up to Fred again despite the fact that he betrayed her and had her finger chopped off. She needs him to get Nichole back.

I love a child who has already survived a harrowing trip to escape Gilead.
I have the opportunity to visit this child in Canada, see she is thriving, and am invited to stay there.
I return to Gilead with the plan to removing child from Canada and returning her to Gilead so that I can make another escape attempt with her?

If this theory is correct, Serena likely envisions a different kind of escape; perhaps defection on an “official” visit to Canada with the help of her contact there.

Once Nichole is returned, why would Serena need to return there with her again? She’d likely be left behind.

Serena wants Nichole badly, but she seems to not want her to grow up in Gilead. If she were to just defect to Canada now, Luke would not willingly hand over Nichole. If Serena gets Nichole back through official diplomatic channels and then leaves Gilead it’s Luke who would have to fight for custody of Nichole. Neither one is Nichole’s biological parent and neither one seems to have an ironclad claim to custody from an objective perspective, but the international community seems to be caught up in ideas of diplomacy as opposed to what’s right and just.

I think the person who didn’t hold bio mom down so she could be raped will have the stronger claim in the eyes of the international community.

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Anonymous wrote:I read an interesting theory that Serena does want Nichole back, but only so she can take custody of her and then escape to Canada herself. She saw that Luke actually does want her and will not let her go, so had to come up with an alternative plan (to defecting and then getting Nichole back) to both have Nichole safely away from Gilead and be her mother.

It makes sense out of Serena's apparent change of heart and distancing from June this season, and her show of warming up to Fred again despite the fact that he betrayed her and had her finger chopped off. She needs him to get Nichole back.

I love a child who has already survived a harrowing trip to escape Gilead.
I have the opportunity to visit this child in Canada, see she is thriving, and am invited to stay there.
I return to Gilead with the plan to removing child from Canada and returning her to Gilead so that I can make another escape attempt with her?

If this theory is correct, Serena likely envisions a different kind of escape; perhaps defection on an “official” visit to Canada with the help of her contact there.

Once Nichole is returned, why would Serena need to return there with her again? She’d likely be left behind.

Serena wants Nichole badly, but she seems to not want her to grow up in Gilead. If she were to just defect to Canada now, Luke would not willingly hand over Nichole. If Serena gets Nichole back through official diplomatic channels and then leaves Gilead it’s Luke who would have to fight for custody of Nichole. Neither one is Nichole’s biological parent and neither one seems to have an ironclad claim to custody from an objective perspective, but the international community seems to be caught up in ideas of diplomacy as opposed to what’s right and just.

I think the person who didn’t hold bio mom down so she could be raped will have the stronger claim in the eyes of the international community.

You would think so, but the Swiss seemed pretty afraid of Gilead retaliation. They were not the saviors that June hoped for.

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Anonymous wrote:I read an interesting theory that Serena does want Nichole back, but only so she can take custody of her and then escape to Canada herself. She saw that Luke actually does want her and will not let her go, so had to come up with an alternative plan (to defecting and then getting Nichole back) to both have Nichole safely away from Gilead and be her mother.

It makes sense out of Serena's apparent change of heart and distancing from June this season, and her show of warming up to Fred again despite the fact that he betrayed her and had her finger chopped off. She needs him to get Nichole back.

I love a child who has already survived a harrowing trip to escape Gilead.
I have the opportunity to visit this child in Canada, see she is thriving, and am invited to stay there.
I return to Gilead with the plan to removing child from Canada and returning her to Gilead so that I can make another escape attempt with her?

If this theory is correct, Serena likely envisions a different kind of escape; perhaps defection on an “official” visit to Canada with the help of her contact there.

Once Nichole is returned, why would Serena need to return there with her again? She’d likely be left behind.

Serena wants Nichole badly, but she seems to not want her to grow up in Gilead. If she were to just defect to Canada now, Luke would not willingly hand over Nichole. If Serena gets Nichole back through official diplomatic channels and then leaves Gilead it’s Luke who would have to fight for custody of Nichole. Neither one is Nichole’s biological parent and neither one seems to have an ironclad claim to custody from an objective perspective, but the international community seems to be caught up in ideas of diplomacy as opposed to what’s right and just.

I think the person who didn’t hold bio mom down so she could be raped will have the stronger claim in the eyes of the international community.

You would think so, but the Swiss seemed pretty afraid of Gilead retaliation. They were not the saviors that June hoped for.

But if Serena Joy defects to Canada to fight Luke she’s not representing Gilead any more. It’s one refugee against another. Which refugee has cleaner hands?

[Anonymous]

But if Serena Joy defects to Canada to fight Luke she’s not representing Gilead any more. It’s one refugee against another. Which refugee has cleaner hands?

The Canadians confronted the arrested refugees with questions about what laws they broke while in Gilead, without concerning themselves with extenuating circumstances. It sounds like politically, to Canada clean hands = broke no Gilead laws.

[Anonymous]

Legally if they are still married in many situations Luke is Dad.