9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project

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Anonymous wrote:I think it was a set up in the part of the boy and his dad. His interviews have been interesting

Right, a Muslim can't be mistreated. But, if a Muslim is mistreated, he must've brought it upon himself as some part of a evil scheme. That's those scheming Muslims for you.

It is really shocking how little shame you have in displaying your Islamophobia.

I was on your page yesterday. After listening to what this kid is saying in his media whirlwind, it's making me think otherwise.

I really don't know what your point is. As best I can tell, you think that because Ahmed's father is some sort of activist, this entire thing was a set-up. To what end?

But, let's discuss some things that we know are set-ups. All the O'Keefe videos that set up Acorn and others. You liked those videos didn't you? The videos coming out about Planned Parenthood were set-ups with the photographers adapting false identities. You are a great fan of those videos, are you not?

I don't think the incident with the clock was a set-up. But, I think you are a giant hypocrite for using that as an excuse to "think otherwise" about a situation that was clearly mishandled.

NP. Jeff, please, don't be dense. To what end? To the end they are experiencing! Ahmed himself said he "never thought it would get this far." You can take that a number of ways.

CNN interviews, trip to the White House, MIT calling, media fawning .... not bad for low-key risk, when all the chips fall in place.

You believe that Ahmed thought all of that out ahead of time (while quoting him saying he never thought it would get that far) and I'm the one who is dense? It is really shocking that we have case after case of prejudice against Muslims -- a guy literally stood up at a Trump rally and said Muslims are a problem -- and people still go to extraordinary lengths to deny the obvious.

BTW, if by some extraordinary means Ahmed did manage to orchestrate this entire controversy, he is a genius. Maybe not an engineering genius, but certainly a PR genius. He had to predict the reactions of the school, the reactions of the police, the reactions of the Islamophobic mayor, etc., and be prepared to exploit all of that.

He's also made comments about moving the cause forward, etc.

You are really reaching there. I'm sure he would rather be a 14 year old engineering nerd than a victim of bigotry who has to change schools.

He is doing an interview with the head of DFW-CAIR next to him. He's saying things like "I didn't think a Muslim boy would get all this attention but thanks to you..." to the MSNBC interviewer The kid was specifically told NOT to show it to any other teachers because it 'looked like a bomb'. He ignored it. And he got in trouble for it - the possibility it was a hoax bomb. You can make it all about bigotry, but it was really about this kid not listening and the administration being stupid.

This!!!! and I bet a White, Black, Hispanic , Asian or Native American kid would have been treated the exact same way!

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How do you know that the clock wouldn't be allowed through airport security? It very likely would have been subject to examination, but there is nothing dangerous about it so I don't know why it wouldn't be allowed through.

There is nothing dangerous about a liter of water either, and it's not allowed through.

Yes, there is an explicit rule about that. Similarly, my son recently had his toothpaste confiscated. But, can you point to a similar rule regarding clocks?

I checked the TSA list of prohibited items and the do not list digital clocks. They do not allow explosives on a plane, but there is no prohibition of clocks.

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/prohibited-items

Also not prohibited are "electronics" of any kind! I did read somewhere that they will investigate remote controls (but may still allow them).

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting... listening to a the kid being interviewed. The kid says the engineering teacher told him not to show it to anyone because it could be mistaken for a bomb. He apparently didn't listen and showed it to the English teacher, who raised the alarm bells. Why didn't administration talk to the engineering teacher.

Sitting with a representative of an activist Muslim group who is nodding her head is not helping the kid much. That's what I mean - instead of one of his parents, there's Alia Salem of Cair-DFW at the interview.

the kid sounds kind of bratty, but of course the handcuffs, etc were way out of line. its crazy how hes being depicted as a martyred victim rather than a kid with poor judgment.

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jsteele wrote:

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How do you know that the clock wouldn't be allowed through airport security? It very likely would have been subject to examination, but there is nothing dangerous about it so I don't know why it wouldn't be allowed through.

There is nothing dangerous about a liter of water either, and it's not allowed through.

Yes, there is an explicit rule about that. Similarly, my son recently had his toothpaste confiscated. But, can you point to a similar rule regarding clocks?

Not at this moment-perhaps Barack needs to enact one before he leaves office-I doubt he will though as clocks are harmless-kind of like GMO's!

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting... listening to a the kid being interviewed. The kid says the engineering teacher told him not to show it to anyone because it could be mistaken for a bomb. He apparently didn't listen and showed it to the English teacher, who raised the alarm bells. Why didn't administration talk to the engineering teacher.

Sitting with a representative of an activist Muslim group who is nodding her head is not helping the kid much. That's what I mean - instead of one of his parents, there's Alia Salem of Cair-DFW at the interview.

the kid sounds kind of bratty, but of course the handcuffs, etc were way out of line. its crazy how hes being depicted as a martyred victim rather than a kid with poor judgment.

Show me a 14-year old who doesn't have lapses in judgment. His project was confiscated and he was yanked out of class and sent to a room with Ted Blart (Paul's less intelligent cousin) and the LEO equivalent of dumb, dumber and even dumberer. In my experience, really smart kids don't have a lot of patience with dimwits, particularly when they form judgements based on your skin color and/or religious beliefs. The fact these stooges couldn't fathom that someone might make a clock for the sake of msking a clock was icing on a three-layer cake of imbecility. So, no I don't expect a 14-year old to exercise the same judgement as an adult might in similar circumstances, but then again I expect too much by thinking the supposed adults would not antagonize or insult a teenager and therefore elicit a better response. Try to put yourself in the position of this boy. In reality, did nothing wrong but disrupt the class and yet he's thrown in a room with a bunch of tighy-wound fucknute looking for an excuse to put him in cuffs. His parents could have been called, but instead they went into some dimestore interrogarion mode and tried to strong arm him into confessing to something he didn't do. It's bullshit and it's fucking shameful.

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Anonymous wrote:I did see pictures of the clock on NPR. Not excusing the school, but it did look like a bomb. I think they could have asked the kid more about it in detail thought instead of arresting him.

But here's the thing... they did not at any point think it was a bomb. NONE of the actions they took (other than reporting the child to law enforcement) were actions a school takes when there is a possible bomb.

They didn't do this because they thought it was a bomb. It rather appears they did this because they are disgusting racists.

There's a third possibility you know. Could be that they knew it wasn't a bomb after talking to the kid, but thought it might be a hoax given his engineering teacher told him not to show it to other teachers? Instead of leaving it with the teacher, he carried it around in his backpack.

One way of not showing the clock is to keep it in a backpack. Unfortunately for Ahmed, it apparently made some sort of sound during a class which led him to show the teacher the source of the sound.

I agree. He should have disconnected the beeper before storing it. He didn't mention the sound in the TV interview but I think he did in an interview for the newspaper. Why the administrators thought it might be a hoax, I don't know. FWIW, if the kid wasn't acting like it was a hoax (i.e. planting it someone deliberately), it probably wasn't. Again, I place the blame on the administrators.

I also think the 'poor little Muslim kid' thing is a crock of shit

Y'all have a lot of expectations of a fourteen year old boy carrying a clock. I daresay your kids probably couldn't set one, much less build one. And if they did manage that, they would probably forget it at school.

My oldest two are STEM kids. My firstborn could code well at that age. He would probably forget it at school - the kid forgot EVERYHING...takes after his Dad

My daughter (middle) won the STEM award for her school. She's diligent to a fault.

My point is I think that nice little kid is being used by CAIR. Not the first time kids are used - at least no one is wiring him up! . That said, I think he should take advantage of the MIT visit and White House tour!

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting... listening to a the kid being interviewed. The kid says the engineering teacher told him not to show it to anyone because it could be mistaken for a bomb. He apparently didn't listen and showed it to the English teacher, who raised the alarm bells. Why didn't administration talk to the engineering teacher.

Sitting with a representative of an activist Muslim group who is nodding her head is not helping the kid much. That's what I mean - instead of one of his parents, there's Alia Salem of Cair-DFW at the interview.

the kid sounds kind of bratty, but of course the handcuffs, etc were way out of line. its crazy how hes being depicted as a martyred victim rather than a kid with poor judgment.

I don't like the martyred victim either, but I think someone is putting him in that role. As for bratty and poor judgement, he's a 14 year old boy. I have one. Trust me, they come by it honestly

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Any moron with an electronics parts catalog can make a clock.

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Thank you for your insightful contribution.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting... listening to a the kid being interviewed. The kid says the engineering teacher told him not to show it to anyone because it could be mistaken for a bomb. He apparently didn't listen and showed it to the English teacher, who raised the alarm bells. Why didn't administration talk to the engineering teacher.

Sitting with a representative of an activist Muslim group who is nodding her head is not helping the kid much. That's what I mean - instead of one of his parents, there's Alia Salem of Cair-DFW at the interview.

the kid sounds kind of bratty, but of course the handcuffs, etc were way out of line. its crazy how hes being depicted as a martyred victim rather than a kid with poor judgment.

I don't like the martyred victim either, but I think someone is putting him in that role. As for bratty and poor judgement, he's a 14 year old boy. I have one. Trust me, they come by it honestly

Yeah that someone is the cop who cuffed him.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting... listening to a the kid being interviewed. The kid says the engineering teacher told him not to show it to anyone because it could be mistaken for a bomb. He apparently didn't listen and showed it to the English teacher, who raised the alarm bells. Why didn't administration talk to the engineering teacher.

Sitting with a representative of an activist Muslim group who is nodding her head is not helping the kid much. That's what I mean - instead of one of his parents, there's Alia Salem of Cair-DFW at the interview.

FYI, the kid had the clock in his backpack and it beeped. The English teacher asked him what it was so he pulled it out of his backpack. Sounds like he was following the advice to keep it under wraps but no way he could refuse to show it to the English teacher since she told him to take it out. That's another reason I don't fault the English teacher for being concerned. I would have been worried, too, but the administration and the cops just went overboard.

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I did see pictures of the clock on NPR. Not excusing the school, but it did look like a bomb. I think they could have asked the kid more about it in detail thought instead of arresting him.

But here's the thing... they did not at any point think it was a bomb. NONE of the actions they took (other than reporting the child to law enforcement) were actions a school takes when there is a possible bomb.

They didn't do this because they thought it was a bomb. It rather appears they did this because they are disgusting racists.

There's a third possibility you know. Could be that they knew it wasn't a bomb after talking to the kid, but thought it might be a hoax given his engineering teacher told him not to show it to other teachers? Instead of leaving it with the teacher, he carried it around in his backpack.

One way of not showing the clock is to keep it in a backpack. Unfortunately for Ahmed, it apparently made some sort of sound during a class which led him to show the teacher the source of the sound.

I agree. He should have disconnected the beeper before storing it. He didn't mention the sound in the TV interview but I think he did in an interview for the newspaper. Why the administrators thought it might be a hoax, I don't know. FWIW, if the kid wasn't acting like it was a hoax (i.e. planting it someone deliberately), it probably wasn't. Again, I place the blame on the administrators.

I also think the 'poor little Muslim kid' thing is a crock of shit

Y'all have a lot of expectations of a fourteen year old boy carrying a clock. I daresay your kids probably couldn't set one, much less build one. And if they did manage that, they would probably forget it at school.

My oldest two are STEM kids. My firstborn could code well at that age. He would probably forget it at school - the kid forgot EVERYHING...takes after his Dad

My daughter (middle) won the STEM award for her school. She's diligent to a fault.

My point is I think that nice little kid is being used by CAIR. Not the first time kids are used - at least no one is wiring him up! . That said, I think he should take advantage of the MIT visit and White House tour!

onky to the extent that the toy gun kids are being used by the GOP.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did see pictures of the clock on NPR. Not excusing the school, but it did look like a bomb. I think they could have asked the kid more about it in detail thought instead of arresting him.

But here's the thing... they did not at any point think it was a bomb. NONE of the actions they took (other than reporting the child to law enforcement) were actions a school takes when there is a possible bomb.

They didn't do this because they thought it was a bomb. It rather appears they did this because they are disgusting racists.

There's a third possibility you know. Could be that they knew it wasn't a bomb after talking to the kid, but thought it might be a hoax given his engineering teacher told him not to show it to other teachers? Instead of leaving it with the teacher, he carried it around in his backpack.

One way of not showing the clock is to keep it in a backpack. Unfortunately for Ahmed, it apparently made some sort of sound during a class which led him to show the teacher the source of the sound.

I read he actually took it out and plugged it in during class-then it beeped, hence all the alarm-no pun intend.

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Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did see pictures of the clock on NPR. Not excusing the school, but it did look like a bomb. I think they could have asked the kid more about it in detail thought instead of arresting him.

But here's the thing... they did not at any point think it was a bomb. NONE of the actions they took (other than reporting the child to law enforcement) were actions a school takes when there is a possible bomb.

They didn't do this because they thought it was a bomb. It rather appears they did this because they are disgusting racists.

There's a third possibility you know. Could be that they knew it wasn't a bomb after talking to the kid, but thought it might be a hoax given his engineering teacher told him not to show it to other teachers? Instead of leaving it with the teacher, he carried it around in his backpack.

One way of not showing the clock is to keep it in a backpack. Unfortunately for Ahmed, it apparently made some sort of sound during a class which led him to show the teacher the source of the sound.

I agree. He should have disconnected the beeper before storing it. He didn't mention the sound in the TV interview but I think he did in an interview for the newspaper. Why the administrators thought it might be a hoax, I don't know. FWIW, if the kid wasn't acting like it was a hoax (i.e. planting it someone deliberately), it probably wasn't. Again, I place the blame on the administrators.

I also think the 'poor little Muslim kid' thing is a crock of shit

Y'all have a lot of expectations of a fourteen year old boy carrying a clock. I daresay your kids probably couldn't set one, much less build one. And if they did manage that, they would probably forget it at school.

My oldest two are STEM kids. My firstborn could code well at that age. He would probably forget it at school - the kid forgot EVERYHING...takes after his Dad

My daughter (middle) won the STEM award for her school. She's diligent to a fault.

My point is I think that nice little kid is being used by CAIR. Not the first time kids are used - at least no one is wiring him up! . That said, I think he should take advantage of the MIT visit and White House tour!

onky to the extent that the toy gun kids are being used by the GOP.

It's the damn Pop-Tart lobby.

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http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/

Interesting article. An engineer takes apart the clock. Contends that the child did not invent or even build a clock. Includes pictures and explanation.

And, for the people who say clocks are not against TSA requirements. What about a box with lots of wires?