9th Grade Muslim student arrested for making a homemade clock fro school project

[jsteele]

The Governor of Texas -- remember, he's the guy that deployed that National Guard to protect Texas from the United States during Jade Helm -- just came out in support of Ahmed:

"The last thing we want to do is put handcuffs on a kid unjustifiably," Abbott said in the Dallas Morning News. "Just call this a tragic situation. It looks like the commitment to law enforcement may have gone too far and didn’t balance all the facts."

"I admire those with ingenuity and we’re trying to make Texas the state of innovation, where we promote young minds to achieve things like that," Abbott said. "It’s very unfortunate what happened."

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/09/texas-gov-greg-abbott-to-hit-dallas-barbecue-joint-during-grassroots-tour.html/

[Anonymous]

^ Tha gubner's a MUSLIN TERRRIST SIMPATHIZURR!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just have a question about this. Regarding aviation security, lots of people like to say better safe than sorry. Therefore, this clock would have never been allowed through a checkpoint, and frankly, it would be stupid of someone to try and be unaware of the consequences.

With school security a hot topic now, I'm having a hard time seeing the difference in the situations. Regardless of his race or religion, why would someone think it would be a good idea to bring this into a physical location where people are paranoid?

You haven't bothered to read any of the previous posts on this thread, have you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did see pictures of the clock on NPR. Not excusing the school, but it did look like a bomb. I think they could have asked the kid more about it in detail thought instead of arresting him.

But here's the thing... they did not at any point think it was a bomb. NONE of the actions they took (other than reporting the child to law enforcement) were actions a school takes when there is a possible bomb.

They didn't do this because they thought it was a bomb. It rather appears they did this because they are disgusting racists.

There's a third possibility you know. Could be that they knew it wasn't a bomb after talking to the kid, but thought it might be a hoax given his engineering teacher told him not to show it to other teachers? Instead of leaving it with the teacher, he carried it around in his backpack.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:The Governor of Texas -- remember, he's the guy that deployed that National Guard to protect Texas from the United States during Jade Helm -- just came out in support of Ahmed:

"The last thing we want to do is put handcuffs on a kid unjustifiably," Abbott said in the Dallas Morning News. "Just call this a tragic situation. It looks like the commitment to law enforcement may have gone too far and didn’t balance all the facts."

"I admire those with ingenuity and we’re trying to make Texas the state of innovation, where we promote young minds to achieve things like that," Abbott said. "It’s very unfortunate what happened."

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/09/texas-gov-greg-abbott-to-hit-dallas-barbecue-joint-during-grassroots-tour.html/

This is no surprise. Abbott is a conservative and no conservative worth their salt would advocate calling police over this, given the engineering teacher already knew it was a clock. Your beef should be with the administrators of the school, not with the police, who had to do their job and investigate given school officials had raised alarm bells. Note Abbott said "commitment to law enforcement" and not "law enforcement". That is significant.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did see pictures of the clock on NPR. Not excusing the school, but it did look like a bomb. I think they could have asked the kid more about it in detail thought instead of arresting him.

But here's the thing... they did not at any point think it was a bomb. NONE of the actions they took (other than reporting the child to law enforcement) were actions a school takes when there is a possible bomb.

They didn't do this because they thought it was a bomb. It rather appears they did this because they are disgusting racists.

There's a third possibility you know. Could be that they knew it wasn't a bomb after talking to the kid, but thought it might be a hoax given his engineering teacher told him not to show it to other teachers? Instead of leaving it with the teacher, he carried it around in his backpack.

One way of not showing the clock is to keep it in a backpack. Unfortunately for Ahmed, it apparently made some sort of sound during a class which led him to show the teacher the source of the sound.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it was a set up in the part of the boy and his dad. His interviews have been interesting

Right, a Muslim can't be mistreated. But, if a Muslim is mistreated, he must've brought it upon himself as some part of a evil scheme. That's those scheming Muslims for you.

It is really shocking how little shame you have in displaying your Islamophobia.

I was on your page yesterday. After listening to what this kid is saying in his media whirlwind, it's making me think otherwise.

I really don't know what your point is. As best I can tell, you think that because Ahmed's father is some sort of activist, this entire thing was a set-up. To what end?

But, let's discuss some things that we know are set-ups. All the O'Keefe videos that set up Acorn and others. You liked those videos didn't you? The videos coming out about Planned Parenthood were set-ups with the photographers adapting false identities. You are a great fan of those videos, are you not?

I don't think the incident with the clock was a set-up. But, I think you are a giant hypocrite for using that as an excuse to "think otherwise" about a situation that was clearly mishandled.

NP. Jeff, please, don't be dense. To what end? To the end they are experiencing! Ahmed himself said he "never thought it would get this far." You can take that a number of ways.

CNN interviews, trip to the White House, MIT calling, media fawning .... not bad for low-key risk, when all the chips fall in place.

You believe that Ahmed thought all of that out ahead of time (while quoting him saying he never thought it would get that far) and I'm the one who is dense? It is really shocking that we have case after case of prejudice against Muslims -- a guy literally stood up at a Trump rally and said Muslims are a problem -- and people still go to extraordinary lengths to deny the obvious.

BTW, if by some extraordinary means Ahmed did manage to orchestrate this entire controversy, he is a genius. Maybe not an engineering genius, but certainly a PR genius. He had to predict the reactions of the school, the reactions of the police, the reactions of the Islamophobic mayor, etc., and be prepared to exploit all of that.

He's also made comments about moving the cause forward, etc.

[Anonymous]

Interesting... listening to a the kid being interviewed. The kid says the engineering teacher told him not to show it to anyone because it could be mistaken for a bomb. He apparently didn't listen and showed it to the English teacher, who raised the alarm bells. Why didn't administration talk to the engineering teacher.

Sitting with a representative of an activist Muslim group who is nodding her head is not helping the kid much. That's what I mean - instead of one of his parents, there's Alia Salem of Cair-DFW at the interview.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it was a set up in the part of the boy and his dad. His interviews have been interesting

Right, a Muslim can't be mistreated. But, if a Muslim is mistreated, he must've brought it upon himself as some part of a evil scheme. That's those scheming Muslims for you.

It is really shocking how little shame you have in displaying your Islamophobia.

I was on your page yesterday. After listening to what this kid is saying in his media whirlwind, it's making me think otherwise.

I really don't know what your point is. As best I can tell, you think that because Ahmed's father is some sort of activist, this entire thing was a set-up. To what end?

But, let's discuss some things that we know are set-ups. All the O'Keefe videos that set up Acorn and others. You liked those videos didn't you? The videos coming out about Planned Parenthood were set-ups with the photographers adapting false identities. You are a great fan of those videos, are you not?

I don't think the incident with the clock was a set-up. But, I think you are a giant hypocrite for using that as an excuse to "think otherwise" about a situation that was clearly mishandled.

NP. Jeff, please, don't be dense. To what end? To the end they are experiencing! Ahmed himself said he "never thought it would get this far." You can take that a number of ways.

CNN interviews, trip to the White House, MIT calling, media fawning .... not bad for low-key risk, when all the chips fall in place.

You believe that Ahmed thought all of that out ahead of time (while quoting him saying he never thought it would get that far) and I'm the one who is dense? It is really shocking that we have case after case of prejudice against Muslims -- a guy literally stood up at a Trump rally and said Muslims are a problem -- and people still go to extraordinary lengths to deny the obvious.

BTW, if by some extraordinary means Ahmed did manage to orchestrate this entire controversy, he is a genius. Maybe not an engineering genius, but certainly a PR genius. He had to predict the reactions of the school, the reactions of the police, the reactions of the Islamophobic mayor, etc., and be prepared to exploit all of that.

He's also made comments about moving the cause forward, etc.

You are really reaching there. I'm sure he would rather be a 14 year old engineering nerd than a victim of bigotry who has to change schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it was a set up in the part of the boy and his dad. His interviews have been interesting

Right, a Muslim can't be mistreated. But, if a Muslim is mistreated, he must've brought it upon himself as some part of a evil scheme. That's those scheming Muslims for you.

It is really shocking how little shame you have in displaying your Islamophobia.

I was on your page yesterday. After listening to what this kid is saying in his media whirlwind, it's making me think otherwise.

I really don't know what your point is. As best I can tell, you think that because Ahmed's father is some sort of activist, this entire thing was a set-up. To what end?

But, let's discuss some things that we know are set-ups. All the O'Keefe videos that set up Acorn and others. You liked those videos didn't you? The videos coming out about Planned Parenthood were set-ups with the photographers adapting false identities. You are a great fan of those videos, are you not?

I don't think the incident with the clock was a set-up. But, I think you are a giant hypocrite for using that as an excuse to "think otherwise" about a situation that was clearly mishandled.

NP. Jeff, please, don't be dense. To what end? To the end they are experiencing! Ahmed himself said he "never thought it would get this far." You can take that a number of ways.

CNN interviews, trip to the White House, MIT calling, media fawning .... not bad for low-key risk, when all the chips fall in place.

You believe that Ahmed thought all of that out ahead of time (while quoting him saying he never thought it would get that far) and I'm the one who is dense? It is really shocking that we have case after case of prejudice against Muslims -- a guy literally stood up at a Trump rally and said Muslims are a problem -- and people still go to extraordinary lengths to deny the obvious.

BTW, if by some extraordinary means Ahmed did manage to orchestrate this entire controversy, he is a genius. Maybe not an engineering genius, but certainly a PR genius. He had to predict the reactions of the school, the reactions of the police, the reactions of the Islamophobic mayor, etc., and be prepared to exploit all of that.

He's also made comments about moving the cause forward, etc.

You are really reaching there. I'm sure he would rather be a 14 year old engineering nerd than a victim of bigotry who has to change schools.

He is doing an interview with the head of DFW-CAIR next to him. He's saying things like "I didn't think a Muslim boy would get all this attention but thanks to you..." to the MSNBC interviewer The kid was specifically told NOT to show it to any other teachers because it 'looked like a bomb'. He ignored it. And he got in trouble for it - the possibility it was a hoax bomb. You can make it all about bigotry, but it was really about this kid not listening and the administration being stupid.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did see pictures of the clock on NPR. Not excusing the school, but it did look like a bomb. I think they could have asked the kid more about it in detail thought instead of arresting him.

But here's the thing... they did not at any point think it was a bomb. NONE of the actions they took (other than reporting the child to law enforcement) were actions a school takes when there is a possible bomb.

They didn't do this because they thought it was a bomb. It rather appears they did this because they are disgusting racists.

There's a third possibility you know. Could be that they knew it wasn't a bomb after talking to the kid, but thought it might be a hoax given his engineering teacher told him not to show it to other teachers? Instead of leaving it with the teacher, he carried it around in his backpack.

One way of not showing the clock is to keep it in a backpack. Unfortunately for Ahmed, it apparently made some sort of sound during a class which led him to show the teacher the source of the sound.

I agree. He should have disconnected the beeper before storing it. He didn't mention the sound in the TV interview but I think he did in an interview for the newspaper. Why the administrators thought it might be a hoax, I don't know. FWIW, if the kid wasn't acting like it was a hoax (i.e. planting it someone deliberately), it probably wasn't. Again, I place the blame on the administrators.

I also think the 'poor little Muslim kid' thing is a crock of shit

[Anonymous]

^^ That's somewhere deliberately, not someone deliberately. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine what would hit the fan if this boy had a gun shaped pop tart in that clock case ?

BTW, if his clock is so innocent, let's see him carry that through an airport TSA check.

They have explosive checks at TSA checkpoints. Have you ever had your hands swabbed at TSA? Clock would have passed through fine at TSA.

Government isn't as ignorant as the mass of racist goobers.

The TSA does not recommend bringing objects that have been tampered with or could be a component of something dangerous. I did find this list of stuff including a home made gaming device:http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2015/09/18/stupid-and-dangerous-things-people-brought-to-airport/

I guess the student's clock would be a pull over if it went through the screening. He states at 1:29 he used a cable wire to close it so it wouldn't look suspicious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mW4w0Y1OXE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did see pictures of the clock on NPR. Not excusing the school, but it did look like a bomb. I think they could have asked the kid more about it in detail thought instead of arresting him.

But here's the thing... they did not at any point think it was a bomb. NONE of the actions they took (other than reporting the child to law enforcement) were actions a school takes when there is a possible bomb.

They didn't do this because they thought it was a bomb. It rather appears they did this because they are disgusting racists.

There's a third possibility you know. Could be that they knew it wasn't a bomb after talking to the kid, but thought it might be a hoax given his engineering teacher told him not to show it to other teachers? Instead of leaving it with the teacher, he carried it around in his backpack.

One way of not showing the clock is to keep it in a backpack. Unfortunately for Ahmed, it apparently made some sort of sound during a class which led him to show the teacher the source of the sound.

I agree. He should have disconnected the beeper before storing it. He didn't mention the sound in the TV interview but I think he did in an interview for the newspaper. Why the administrators thought it might be a hoax, I don't know. FWIW, if the kid wasn't acting like it was a hoax (i.e. planting it someone deliberately), it probably wasn't. Again, I place the blame on the administrators.

I also think the 'poor little Muslim kid' thing is a crock of shit

Y'all have a lot of expectations of a fourteen year old boy carrying a clock. I daresay your kids probably couldn't set one, much less build one. And if they did manage that, they would probably forget it at school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why have we not seen/heard the name of the teacher, administrators and police officer involved. These people should never work again.

Maybe they were Muslim or African American and that just would not look good in the media! We must assume it was white conservative home bred Texans!