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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are no different than Dylan Roof in your beliefs about blacks and other minorities. The only difference between you and him is that he acted out on his hate by killing people and you spend the day on message boards continuing to spew the same stuff he believes somehow excusing your ignorance with non sequiturs, illogical nonsense, and other garbage.

If you read the comments that are made here by some throughout the board they are no different that Roof. You make sweeping comments about blacks that paint them as monsters, you continue to think they are killing everyone (and themselves), they are are on welfare, and a host of things that are backwards as hell.

Are you racist? Thats for you to determine. Youll sit here going back and forth with me about everyone else being racist but yourself and that your general statements about minorities are "facts". Thats fine. Again, to think this is the first time one has heard the idea that we(blacks) are taking over the country, raping your (white) women, and the thing Roof said before he killed those nine people is absurd.

One skim of this board, the comment section of any news article on blacks, or any online discussion board shows that these beliefs are not foreign. The action of killing and following through on those beliefs is thankfully foreign. Not the held beliefs.

As a whole your comments are nonsense. This, "The only difference between you and him is that he acted out on his hate by killing people and you spend the day on message boards continuing to spew the same stuff he believes somehow excusing your ignorance with non sequiturs, illogical nonsense, and other garbage." is LUDICROUS.

BTW..'...is used in words like that's...you'll...etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares about Dylan Roof just because he is a racist. There are millions of racists. We care about Dylan Roof because he is a mass killer. You can name-call all you want but attempting to blame a psycho-killer's actions on a bunch of racists just because you don't like what the racists stand for is patently illogical.

You might as well blame Martin Scorcese for the movie "Taxi Driver" since that movie was one of the things that "motivated" Hinckley. Oh wait you don't mind that incident since it was an attempted assassination of a politician you don't like (Reagan) therefore it's all good, right?

I find this argument very strange and entirely illogical. First of all, we have no clue if Roof would have been inspired to commit a mass murder if he was not experiencing the paranoia that was sparked and nurtured by racist propaganda and white supremacist online "friends". He might have spent the rest of his lonely days playing violent video games or whatever he was doing before he committed this murder.

Also, we have a history of murders very much like this one in this country which were inspired by white supremacist hatred. The embers of our violent racist history smolder just beneath the surface as you can clearly see on the white supremacist blog Roof was frequenting. Were all of the racist murderers of our past criminally insane? Or were they inspired to change the world and become heroes? Zealots do commit mass murders for a cause. We are able to believe this fact when Islamic extremists commit mass murders but not when young, white Americans do it. Why is that? I don't see what is so different about this one besides the fact that people don't want to admit that racism is real and dangerous.

Things have improved a little bit for black people for a short while in this country. Many of us never thought we would see a black president and yet we did. Historically, whenever things begin to improve there is backlash. Frankly, I expected to see something like this happen much sooner after Obama was elected and we began to see racist statements about him popping up all over the place. If you don't think that intense, political beliefs can inspire murderers to commit mass murder, you are seriously delusional. Why would history not repeat itself?

Hmmm very interesting. So you believe murderers do it because of "inspiration" they receive from other people?

I guess that means you think someone must have inspired all the blacks who have murdered other blacks in Baltimore since the Freddy Gray indictments, it's probably close to a hundred of those murders by now.

Do you think that Prosecutor Mosby "inspired" some of these murders? How about Mayor Rawlings-Blake? Didn't they both make very public pronouncements basically encouraging chaos in their city?

Oh but no....no, all those thugs in Baltimore who've been basically going on a crime/killing spree since those indictments, they don't take any "inspiration" from those politicians. No sir. Because that would be....that would be.....racist, to blame black people for their actions.

Another PP here. What is interesting is that you want to portray this guy as a crazy lone-wolf who did not have any outside influences to kill - despite the fact that he was immersed in racist dogma. At the same time, folks on here and in the Con media were quick to say the NYC police killer was spurred to action by Sharpton and POTUS despite clear evidence that he was also crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many of you are no different than Dylan Roof in your beliefs about blacks and other minorities. The only difference between you and him is that he acted out on his hate by killing people and you spend the day on message boards continuing to spew the same stuff he believes somehow excusing your ignorance with non sequiturs, illogical nonsense, and other garbage.

If you read the comments that are made here by some throughout the board they are no different that Roof. You make sweeping comments about blacks that paint them as monsters, you continue to think they are killing everyone (and themselves), they are are on welfare, and a host of things that are backwards as hell.

Are you racist? Thats for you to determine. Youll sit here going back and forth with me about everyone else being racist but yourself and that your general statements about minorities are "facts". Thats fine. Again, to think this is the first time one has heard the idea that we(blacks) are taking over the country, raping your (white) women, and the thing Roof said before he killed those nine people is absurd.

One skim of this board, the comment section of any news article on blacks, or any online discussion board shows that these beliefs are not foreign. The action of killing and following through on those beliefs is thankfully foreign. Not the held beliefs.

Even if you are right about this, and I don't think you are, I hope you would at least agree that this "only difference" is rather a large one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares about Dylan Roof just because he is a racist. There are millions of racists. We care about Dylan Roof because he is a mass killer. You can name-call all you want but attempting to blame a psycho-killer's actions on a bunch of racists just because you don't like what the racists stand for is patently illogical.

You might as well blame Martin Scorcese for the movie "Taxi Driver" since that movie was one of the things that "motivated" Hinckley. Oh wait you don't mind that incident since it was an attempted assassination of a politician you don't like (Reagan) therefore it's all good, right?

I find this argument very strange and entirely illogical. First of all, we have no clue if Roof would have been inspired to commit a mass murder if he was not experiencing the paranoia that was sparked and nurtured by racist propaganda and white supremacist online "friends". He might have spent the rest of his lonely days playing violent video games or whatever he was doing before he committed this murder.

Also, we have a history of murders very much like this one in this country which were inspired by white supremacist hatred. The embers of our violent racist history smolder just beneath the surface as you can clearly see on the white supremacist blog Roof was frequenting. Were all of the racist murderers of our past criminally insane? Or were they inspired to change the world and become heroes? Zealots do commit mass murders for a cause. We are able to believe this fact when Islamic extremists commit mass murders but not when young, white Americans do it. Why is that? I don't see what is so different about this one besides the fact that people don't want to admit that racism is real and dangerous.

Things have improved a little bit for black people for a short while in this country. Many of us never thought we would see a black president and yet we did. Historically, whenever things begin to improve there is backlash. Frankly, I expected to see something like this happen much sooner after Obama was elected and we began to see racist statements about him popping up all over the place. If you don't think that intense, political beliefs can inspire murderers to commit mass murder, you are seriously delusional. Why would history not repeat itself?

Hmmm very interesting. So you believe murderers do it because of "inspiration" they receive from other people?

I guess that means you think someone must have inspired all the blacks who have murdered other blacks in Baltimore since the Freddy Gray indictments, it's probably close to a hundred of those murders by now.

Do you think that Prosecutor Mosby "inspired" some of these murders? How about Mayor Rawlings-Blake? Didn't they both make very public pronouncements basically encouraging chaos in their city?

Oh but no....no, all those thugs in Baltimore who've been basically going on a crime/killing spree since those indictments, they don't take any "inspiration" from those politicians. No sir. Because that would be....that would be.....racist, to blame black people for their actions.

Another PP here. What is interesting is that you want to portray this guy as a crazy lone-wolf who did not have any outside influences to kill - despite the fact that he was immersed in racist dogma. At the same time, folks on here and in the Con media were quick to say the NYC police killer was spurred to action by Sharpton and POTUS despite clear evidence that he was also crazy.

We also said only one person pulled the trigger....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares about Dylan Roof just because he is a racist. There are millions of racists. We care about Dylan Roof because he is a mass killer. You can name-call all you want but attempting to blame a psycho-killer's actions on a bunch of racists just because you don't like what the racists stand for is patently illogical.

You might as well blame Martin Scorcese for the movie "Taxi Driver" since that movie was one of the things that "motivated" Hinckley. Oh wait you don't mind that incident since it was an attempted assassination of a politician you don't like (Reagan) therefore it's all good, right?

I find this argument very strange and entirely illogical. First of all, we have no clue if Roof would have been inspired to commit a mass murder if he was not experiencing the paranoia that was sparked and nurtured by racist propaganda and white supremacist online "friends". He might have spent the rest of his lonely days playing violent video games or whatever he was doing before he committed this murder.

Also, we have a history of murders very much like this one in this country which were inspired by white supremacist hatred. The embers of our violent racist history smolder just beneath the surface as you can clearly see on the white supremacist blog Roof was frequenting. Were all of the racist murderers of our past criminally insane? Or were they inspired to change the world and become heroes? Zealots do commit mass murders for a cause. We are able to believe this fact when Islamic extremists commit mass murders but not when young, white Americans do it. Why is that? I don't see what is so different about this one besides the fact that people don't want to admit that racism is real and dangerous.

Things have improved a little bit for black people for a short while in this country. Many of us never thought we would see a black president and yet we did. Historically, whenever things begin to improve there is backlash. Frankly, I expected to see something like this happen much sooner after Obama was elected and we began to see racist statements about him popping up all over the place. If you don't think that intense, political beliefs can inspire murderers to commit mass murder, you are seriously delusional. Why would history not repeat itself?

Hmmm very interesting. So you believe murderers do it because of "inspiration" they receive from other people?

I guess that means you think someone must have inspired all the blacks who have murdered other blacks in Baltimore since the Freddy Gray indictments, it's probably close to a hundred of those murders by now.

Do you think that Prosecutor Mosby "inspired" some of these murders? How about Mayor Rawlings-Blake? Didn't they both make very public pronouncements basically encouraging chaos in their city?

Oh but no....no, all those thugs in Baltimore who've been basically going on a crime/killing spree since those indictments, they don't take any "inspiration" from those politicians. No sir. Because that would be....that would be.....racist, to blame black people for their actions.

Another PP here. What is interesting is that you want to portray this guy as a crazy lone-wolf who did not have any outside influences to kill - despite the fact that he was immersed in racist dogma. At the same time, folks on here and in the Con media were quick to say the NYC police killer was spurred to action by Sharpton and POTUS despite clear evidence that he was also crazy.

We also said only one person pulled the trigger....

If this kid had been a Muslim, you would have pointed to every single influence and declared that they "radicalized" him. His churches, the websites he visited, anyone of influence who had contact with him. Why is it different here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares about Dylan Roof just because he is a racist. There are millions of racists. We care about Dylan Roof because he is a mass killer. You can name-call all you want but attempting to blame a psycho-killer's actions on a bunch of racists just because you don't like what the racists stand for is patently illogical.

You might as well blame Martin Scorcese for the movie "Taxi Driver" since that movie was one of the things that "motivated" Hinckley. Oh wait you don't mind that incident since it was an attempted assassination of a politician you don't like (Reagan) therefore it's all good, right?

I find this argument very strange and entirely illogical. First of all, we have no clue if Roof would have been inspired to commit a mass murder if he was not experiencing the paranoia that was sparked and nurtured by racist propaganda and white supremacist online "friends". He might have spent the rest of his lonely days playing violent video games or whatever he was doing before he committed this murder.

Also, we have a history of murders very much like this one in this country which were inspired by white supremacist hatred. The embers of our violent racist history smolder just beneath the surface as you can clearly see on the white supremacist blog Roof was frequenting. Were all of the racist murderers of our past criminally insane? Or were they inspired to change the world and become heroes? Zealots do commit mass murders for a cause. We are able to believe this fact when Islamic extremists commit mass murders but not when young, white Americans do it. Why is that? I don't see what is so different about this one besides the fact that people don't want to admit that racism is real and dangerous.

Things have improved a little bit for black people for a short while in this country. Many of us never thought we would see a black president and yet we did. Historically, whenever things begin to improve there is backlash. Frankly, I expected to see something like this happen much sooner after Obama was elected and we began to see racist statements about him popping up all over the place. If you don't think that intense, political beliefs can inspire murderers to commit mass murder, you are seriously delusional. Why would history not repeat itself?

Hmmm very interesting. So you believe murderers do it because of "inspiration" they receive from other people?

I guess that means you think someone must have inspired all the blacks who have murdered other blacks in Baltimore since the Freddy Gray indictments, it's probably close to a hundred of those murders by now.

Do you think that Prosecutor Mosby "inspired" some of these murders? How about Mayor Rawlings-Blake? Didn't they both make very public pronouncements basically encouraging chaos in their city?

Oh but no....no, all those thugs in Baltimore who've been basically going on a crime/killing spree since those indictments, they don't take any "inspiration" from those politicians. No sir. Because that would be....that would be.....racist, to blame black people for their actions.

Another PP here. What is interesting is that you want to portray this guy as a crazy lone-wolf who did not have any outside influences to kill - despite the fact that he was immersed in racist dogma. At the same time, folks on here and in the Con media were quick to say the NYC police killer was spurred to action by Sharpton and POTUS despite clear evidence that he was also crazy.

We also said only one person pulled the trigger....

If this kid had been a Muslim, you would have pointed to every single influence and declared that they "radicalized" him. His churches, the websites he visited, anyone of influence who had contact with him. Why is it different here?

And had he been Muslim, the media would be bending over backwards to explain that this crime had nothing to do with Islam and was not representative of anything larger than a radical fringe, rather than waving the bloody shirt in the manner they are doing now. Few if any of the people discussing this incident are doing so in a principled way, its all about whose ox you want to gore. Too many houses, not enough pox, I say.

[Anonymous]

I am amazed by the anti free speech themes that have come out- copy the Germans! I suppose however this is the natural outgrowth of the pc movement.

The flag didn't cause this and I'll be happy when this man is put to death. But I won't let his actions take away my pride and love for this flag. I have a right to display it. Of South Carolina wants to remove it that's their business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares about Dylan Roof just because he is a racist. There are millions of racists. We care about Dylan Roof because he is a mass killer. You can name-call all you want but attempting to blame a psycho-killer's actions on a bunch of racists just because you don't like what the racists stand for is patently illogical.

You might as well blame Martin Scorcese for the movie "Taxi Driver" since that movie was one of the things that "motivated" Hinckley. Oh wait you don't mind that incident since it was an attempted assassination of a politician you don't like (Reagan) therefore it's all good, right?

I find this argument very strange and entirely illogical. First of all, we have no clue if Roof would have been inspired to commit a mass murder if he was not experiencing the paranoia that was sparked and nurtured by racist propaganda and white supremacist online "friends". He might have spent the rest of his lonely days playing violent video games or whatever he was doing before he committed this murder.

Also, we have a history of murders very much like this one in this country which were inspired by white supremacist hatred. The embers of our violent racist history smolder just beneath the surface as you can clearly see on the white supremacist blog Roof was frequenting. Were all of the racist murderers of our past criminally insane? Or were they inspired to change the world and become heroes? Zealots do commit mass murders for a cause. We are able to believe this fact when Islamic extremists commit mass murders but not when young, white Americans do it. Why is that? I don't see what is so different about this one besides the fact that people don't want to admit that racism is real and dangerous.

Things have improved a little bit for black people for a short while in this country. Many of us never thought we would see a black president and yet we did. Historically, whenever things begin to improve there is backlash. Frankly, I expected to see something like this happen much sooner after Obama was elected and we began to see racist statements about him popping up all over the place. If you don't think that intense, political beliefs can inspire murderers to commit mass murder, you are seriously delusional. Why would history not repeat itself?

Hmmm very interesting. So you believe murderers do it because of "inspiration" they receive from other people?

I guess that means you think someone must have inspired all the blacks who have murdered other blacks in Baltimore since the Freddy Gray indictments, it's probably close to a hundred of those murders by now.

Do you think that Prosecutor Mosby "inspired" some of these murders? How about Mayor Rawlings-Blake? Didn't they both make very public pronouncements basically encouraging chaos in their city?

Oh but no....no, all those thugs in Baltimore who've been basically going on a crime/killing spree since those indictments, they don't take any "inspiration" from those politicians. No sir. Because that would be....that would be.....racist, to blame black people for their actions.

Another PP here. What is interesting is that you want to portray this guy as a crazy lone-wolf who did not have any outside influences to kill - despite the fact that he was immersed in racist dogma. At the same time, folks on here and in the Con media were quick to say the NYC police killer was spurred to action by Sharpton and POTUS despite clear evidence that he was also crazy.

We also said only one person pulled the trigger....

If this kid had been a Muslim, you would have pointed to every single influence and declared that they "radicalized" him. His churches, the websites he visited, anyone of influence who had contact with him. Why is it different here?

And had he been Muslim, the media would be bending over backwards to explain that this crime had nothing to do with Islam and was not representative of anything larger than a radical fringe, rather than waving the bloody shirt in the manner they are doing now. Few if any of the people discussing this incident are doing so in a principled way, its all about whose ox you want to gore. Too many houses, not enough pox, I say.

If that's true, it would be because conservatives like to say that it's not Islam, just "radical Islam".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed by the anti free speech themes that have come out- copy the Germans! I suppose however this is the natural outgrowth of the pc movement.

The flag didn't cause this and I'll be happy when this man is put to death. But I won't let his actions take away my pride and love for this flag. I have a right to display it. Of South Carolina wants to remove it that's their business.

Please do continue to display the flag - I find it an extremely useful way to identify racist rednecks without ever having to interact with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed by the anti free speech themes that have come out- copy the Germans! I suppose however this is the natural outgrowth of the pc movement.

The flag didn't cause this and I'll be happy when this man is put to death. But I won't let his actions take away my pride and love for this flag. I have a right to display it. Of South Carolina wants to remove it that's their business.

Please do continue to display the flag - I find it an extremely useful way to identify racist rednecks without ever having to interact with them.

Prejudge me? Prejudice.... If I was such a rascist why would I want to see the shooter put to death? Redneck is a visciois class based put down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares about Dylan Roof just because he is a racist. There are millions of racists. We care about Dylan Roof because he is a mass killer. You can name-call all you want but attempting to blame a psycho-killer's actions on a bunch of racists just because you don't like what the racists stand for is patently illogical.

You might as well blame Martin Scorcese for the movie "Taxi Driver" since that movie was one of the things that "motivated" Hinckley. Oh wait you don't mind that incident since it was an attempted assassination of a politician you don't like (Reagan) therefore it's all good, right?

I find this argument very strange and entirely illogical. First of all, we have no clue if Roof would have been inspired to commit a mass murder if he was not experiencing the paranoia that was sparked and nurtured by racist propaganda and white supremacist online "friends". He might have spent the rest of his lonely days playing violent video games or whatever he was doing before he committed this murder.

Also, we have a history of murders very much like this one in this country which were inspired by white supremacist hatred. The embers of our violent racist history smolder just beneath the surface as you can clearly see on the white supremacist blog Roof was frequenting. Were all of the racist murderers of our past criminally insane? Or were they inspired to change the world and become heroes? Zealots do commit mass murders for a cause. We are able to believe this fact when Islamic extremists commit mass murders but not when young, white Americans do it. Why is that? I don't see what is so different about this one besides the fact that people don't want to admit that racism is real and dangerous.

Things have improved a little bit for black people for a short while in this country. Many of us never thought we would see a black president and yet we did. Historically, whenever things begin to improve there is backlash. Frankly, I expected to see something like this happen much sooner after Obama was elected and we began to see racist statements about him popping up all over the place. If you don't think that intense, political beliefs can inspire murderers to commit mass murder, you are seriously delusional. Why would history not repeat itself?

Hmmm very interesting. So you believe murderers do it because of "inspiration" they receive from other people?

I guess that means you think someone must have inspired all the blacks who have murdered other blacks in Baltimore since the Freddy Gray indictments, it's probably close to a hundred of those murders by now.

Do you think that Prosecutor Mosby "inspired" some of these murders? How about Mayor Rawlings-Blake? Didn't they both make very public pronouncements basically encouraging chaos in their city?

Oh but no....no, all those thugs in Baltimore who've been basically going on a crime/killing spree since those indictments, they don't take any "inspiration" from those politicians. No sir. Because that would be....that would be.....racist, to blame black people for their actions.

Another PP here. What is interesting is that you want to portray this guy as a crazy lone-wolf who did not have any outside influences to kill - despite the fact that he was immersed in racist dogma. At the same time, folks on here and in the Con media were quick to say the NYC police killer was spurred to action by Sharpton and POTUS despite clear evidence that he was also crazy.

We also said only one person pulled the trigger....

If this kid had been a Muslim, you would have pointed to every single influence and declared that they "radicalized" him. His churches, the websites he visited, anyone of influence who had contact with him. Why is it different here?

And had he been Muslim, the media would be bending over backwards to explain that this crime had nothing to do with Islam and was not representative of anything larger than a radical fringe, rather than waving the bloody shirt in the manner they are doing now. Few if any of the people discussing this incident are doing so in a principled way, its all about whose ox you want to gore. Too many houses, not enough pox, I say.

If that's true, it would be because conservatives like to say that it's not Islam, just "radical Islam".

I freely agree that many conservatives are unwilling to state the truth as they see it, because of a combination of reasonable fear of consequences, good manners, and abject cowardice, varying in proportion among individuals and circumstances. That's why they are losers. Say what you will about the left, suppressing the symbols of a defeated enemy and engaging in guilt-by-association smears to advance long held political goals are both rational and the acts of a side that wants to win. Which is, of course, why they will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed by the anti free speech themes that have come out- copy the Germans! I suppose however this is the natural outgrowth of the pc movement.

The flag didn't cause this and I'll be happy when this man is put to death. But I won't let his actions take away my pride and love for this flag. I have a right to display it. Of South Carolina wants to remove it that's their business.

Please do continue to display the flag - I find it an extremely useful way to identify racist rednecks without ever having to interact with them.

Prejudge me? Prejudice.... If I was such a rascist why would I want to see the shooter put to death? Redneck is a visciois class based put down.

I'm not prejudging you; I'm judging you for what you are: ignorant and offensive at the very least. Much easier to just steer clear. This strategy actually was extremely useful and accurate when I went to school in Georgia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed by the anti free speech themes that have come out- copy the Germans! I suppose however this is the natural outgrowth of the pc movement.

The flag didn't cause this and I'll be happy when this man is put to death. But I won't let his actions take away my pride and love for this flag. I have a right to display it. Of South Carolina wants to remove it that's their business.

Yes. You as a private citizen have the right to fly the flag based on your pride and love for it. Just as I have the right to fly my Black Panther flag. People also have the right to judge us for that - right or wrong. However, that flag and the history (including its recent history) it represents have no place on the State capitol grounds in 2015 - a building that is supposed to be a positive public symbol and representative for everyone in that state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed by the anti free speech themes that have come out- copy the Germans! I suppose however this is the natural outgrowth of the pc movement.

The flag didn't cause this and I'll be happy when this man is put to death. But I won't let his actions take away my pride and love for this flag. I have a right to display it. Of South Carolina wants to remove it that's their business.

Pride and love for a racist flag? Alrighty then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed by the anti free speech themes that have come out- copy the Germans! I suppose however this is the natural outgrowth of the pc movement.

The flag didn't cause this and I'll be happy when this man is put to death. But I won't let his actions take away my pride and love for this flag. I have a right to display it. Of South Carolina wants to remove it that's their business.

Yes. You as a private citizen have the right to fly the flag based on your pride and love for it. Just as I have the right to fly my Black Panther flag. People also have the right to judge us for that - right or wrong. However, that flag and the history (including its recent history) it represents have no place on the State capitol grounds in 2015 - a building that is supposed to be a positive public symbol and representative for everyone in that state.

I had to pause and give you a well said!! Best response I have seen on this thread. Kudos!