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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Read Dylann Roof's manifesto and then read up on the CCC and you will find it all lines up perfectly. Dylann Roof wasn't so much "a lone wolf having a psychotic break" as he was deeply indoctrinated in the CCC's genocidal, white supremacist rhetoric.


How many of the other members of those forums have gone on mass shootings?
About the same percentage as people who wear Gold's gym shirts which is probably effectively zero.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Read Dylann Roof's manifesto and then read up on the CCC and you will find it all lines up perfectly. Dylann Roof wasn't so much "a lone wolf having a psychotic break" as he was deeply indoctrinated in the CCC's genocidal, white supremacist rhetoric.


You forgot Gold's Gym. He's wearing a Gold's Gym T shirt. Therefore, they must share part of the blame too.


Are you actually attempting to defend the CCC?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This is who some of his mentors were - this is who he directly references in his manifesto as the source of some of his sick and evil "inspiration" - the "Council of Conservative Citizens"

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/council-of-conservative-citizens


Council of Conservative Citizens

Founded: 1985
Location: St. Louis, MO
Profiled Leadership: Gordon Baum
Ideology: White Nationalist
The Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) is the modern reincarnation of the old White Citizens Councils, which were formed in the 1950s and 1960s to battle school desegregation in the South. Among other things, its Statement of Principles says that it “oppose[s] all efforts to mix the races of mankind.” Created in 1985 from the mailing lists of its predecessor organization, the CCC, which initially tried to project a "mainstream" image, has evolved into a crudely white supremacist group whose website has run pictures comparing the late pop singer Michael Jackson to an ape and referred to black people as "a retrograde species of humanity." The group's newspaper, Citizens Informer, regularly publishes articles condemning "race mixing," decrying the evils of illegal immigration, and lamenting the decline of white, European civilization. Gordon Baum, the group’s founder, died in March of 2015.

In Its Own Words

"God is the author of racism. God is the One who divided mankind into different types. ... Mixing the races is rebelliousness against God."
— Council of Conservative Citizens website, 2001

"We believe the United States is a European country and that Americans are part of the European people. … We therefore oppose the massive immigration of non-European and non-Western peoples into the United States that threatens to transform our nation into a non-European majority in our lifetime. We believe that illegal immigration must be stopped, if necessary by military force and placing troops on our national borders; that illegal aliens must be returned to their own countries; and that legal immigration must be severely restricted or halted through appropriate changes in our laws and policies. We also oppose all efforts to mix the races of mankind, to promote non-white races over the European-American people through so-called ‘affirmative action' and similar measures, to destroy or denigrate the European-American heritage, including the heritage of the Southern people, and to force the integration of the races."
—Statement of Principles, Citizens Informer, 2007

"Controlling immigration is about the security of this republic [terrorists illegally crossing the borders] and making sure countries like Mexico stop dumping their murderers, rapists, those carrying AIDS and other communicable diseases and gang members on America's door step."
—Devvy Kidd, Citizens Informer, 2006

Background
Founded in 1985 by Gordon Baum, a worker's compensation attorney and longtime racist activist, the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) rose from the ashes of the Citizens Councils of America (CCA), commonly called "White Citizens Councils," a coalition of white-supremacist groups and individuals formed throughout the South to defend school segregation after the Supreme Court outlawed the policy in 1954 in Brown vs. Board of Education.

Unlike the KKK, the CCA groups had a veneer of civic respectability, inspiring future Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall to refer to it as the "uptown Klan." While there were plenty of bare-knuckle racists attracted to the councils' anti-integration slogan, "Never!," the members also included bankers, merchants, judges, newspaper editors and politicians — folks given more to wearing suits and ties than hoods and robes. During the White Citizens Councils' heyday, the groups claimed more than 1 million members. Although they weren't immune to violence — Byron De La Beckwith, who murdered civil-rights leader Medgar Evers in 1963, was a member — the councils generally used their political and financial pull to offset the effects of "forced integration."

Once the segregation battle was lost, the air went out of the White Citizens Councils. The councils steadily lost members throughout the 1970s and 1980s. Sensing the need for a new direction, Baum, formerly the CCA's Midwest field director, called together a group of 30 white men, including former Georgia Gov. Lester Maddox and future Louisiana Congressman John Rarick, for a meeting in Atlanta in 1985. Together, they cooked up a successor organization: the Council of Conservative Citizens.

Like the original White Citizens Councils, the CCC is made up of local chapters, some of which are active in civic affairs beyond the national group's racist agenda. And until the 2000s, some of the group's "uptown" attitude remained, as meetings resembled Rotary Club events more than Klan outings and regularly featured politicians as keynote speakers.

Most Americans learned of the CCC in late 1998, when a scandal erupted over prominent Southern politicians' ties to the brazenly racist group. After it was revealed that former Congressman Bob Barr (R-Ga.) gave the keynote speech at the CCC's 1998 national convention and that then-Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) had spoken to the group five times, both claimed they knew nothing about the CCC. However, an Intelligence Report investigation, publicized by national television and newspaper reports, made clear what the CCC really was: a hate group that routinely denigrated blacks as "genetically inferior," complained about "Jewish power brokers," called LGBT people "perverted sodomites," accused immigrants of turning America into a "slimy brown mass of glop," and named Lester Maddox, the now-deceased, ax handle-wielding, arch-segregationist former governor of Georgia, "Patriot of the Century."

As evidence of widespread association between Southern GOP officeholders and the CCC mounted, Republican National Committee Chairman Jim Nicholson took the unusual step in 1998 of asking party members to resign from the group because of its racist views. A resolution moved through the U.S. Congress "condemning the racism and bigotry espoused by the Council of Conservative Citizens," although it ultimately failed. (Congress had earlier condemned the black supremacist Nation of Islam in a similar manner, but failed to do the same with the CCC. Republican Party leaders, likely embarrassed by Lott's very public connection to the CCC, managed to defeat the censure effort.)

But six years later, many Southern lawmakers were still pandering to and meeting with the CCC — and still pleading ignorance. According to a 2004 Intelligence Report review of the Citizens Informer, no fewer than 38 federal, state and local elected officials had attended CCC events between 2000 and 2004, most of them giving speeches to local chapters of the hate group.

Since the 1998/1999 scandal stripped much of the remaining varnish off the CCC's mainstream pretensions, the extremist views expressed on its website and in its newspaper have become increasingly crude. "What do you call ... four blacks, three Hispanics, three Russian Jews, and one white guy?" the CCC home page asked in 2003. "The FBI's Most Wanted List!" Another day, the home page ran photos of accused Beltway snipers John Muhammad and John Malvo, 9/11 conspirator Zacharias Moussaoui and shoe-bomber Richard Reed. "Notice a Pattern Here?" asked a caption underneath the four photos. "Is the face of death black after all?" In 2002, the Web site featured a photo of Daniel Pearl, the "Jewish Wall Street Journal reporter" who had just been decapitated by Islamic terrorists. In the photo, Pearl was shown with his "mixed-race wife, Marianne." The headline above the couple's picture was stunning even for the CCC: "Death by Multiculturalism?"

The danger of "race-mixing" has been a consistent theme for the group since the days of the White Citizens Councils. "God is the author of racism," said one story on the CCC's website in 2001. "God is the One who divided mankind into different types. ... Mixing the races is rebelliousness against God." After the NAACP declared its boycott of South Carolina in 1999 because the state continued to fly the Confederate battle flag over its Capitol dome, the CCC distributed a mock advertisement proclaiming, "South Carolina Now Has Whiter Beaches!" The Citizens Informer item urged whites to vacation in South Carolina and "enjoy a civil liberty that has been denied to them for many years at hotels, restaurants and beaches: the freedom to associate with just one's own people."

Along with theological arguments, the Citizens Informer has published countless stories detailing "scientific" evidence for white people's inherent superiority. Writing about Brown vs. Board of Education in 2004, contributor Michael Polignano noted that many commentators were using the 50th anniversary of the Supreme Court ruling striking down public school segregation to talk about "how far America still falls short of racial equality." According to Polignano, that lack of progress "should surprise no one, because racial inequality is genetic and cannot be changed by social programs. ... Blacks are on average probably less intelligent than Whites and more aggressive, impulsive and prone to psychopathologies." To prove this point, a 2005 article in the Citizens Informer written in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina described "[a]ccounts of little children — girls and boys —being gang raped, rescue vans and copters being repeatedly fired upon by mobs of violent blacks, anarchy, chaos, confusion, looting even by black police officers."

More recently, the CCC has focused very heavily on battling non-white immigration. The group jumped quite early on the "threat" it perceived was posed by immigration, holding a rally against immigration in Cullman, Ala., in 1998 that featured major nativist hate group leaders Barbara Coe and Glenn Spencer, both of whom worked to pass the punishing California anti-immigrant Proposition 187 (the rally was also attended by an unrobed Klan leader and a top official of the Federation for American Immigration Reform). The CCC has held rallies nearly every year since then against immigration and the topic is addressed regularly at the CCC's biannual conferences, which have included as participants CCC leaders and prominent racists including Jared Taylor, editor of the anti-black and anti-Latino race science newsletter American Renaissance, and Don Black, founder of the first hate site on the web, Stormfront.org.

CCC meetings have rarely featured politicians as speakers since the 2004 Intelligence Report exposé that exposed the fact that dozens of GOP politicians (and one Democrat) had been speaking at the group's events despite GOP chief Jim Nicholson's warnings in 1998. But a few have continued to associate with the CCC. In 2005, George Wallace Jr., the son of the late segregationist Alabama governor who was then an Alabama Public Service commissioner, spoke at the group's summer conference. In June 2008, another Alabama politician, state Sen. Charles Bishop (R-Jasper), addressed the group. Bishop's speech appealed to the assembled CCC crowd, particularly when he denounced the idea that Southern states should apologize for having sanctioned slavery. Bishop said that "atonement equals reparations" — meaning that apologies would surely be greeted by demands for financial payback by black Americans. Bishop received a standing ovation from the audience and he and his wife posed for pictures with members afterwards.

And in 2009 Republican Mississippi State Sen. Lydia Chassaniol spoke to the group. She gave a rabble-rousing speech on "Cultural Heritage in Mississippi." In a brief history of the state since 1540, Chassaniol complained that the U.S. was in decline, as evidenced by tributes to Michael Jackson, a "pedophile who's being celebrated." She indicated that the government wants to "take from those who have and give to those who don't want to work for it." And she worried that the 2010 national census might hand over government "to the radical left." Chassaniol confirmed to the Southern Poverty Law Center that she is a member of the CCC, which she described as a "conservative organization."

A June 2011 barbeque held in Tennessee showcased another set of unsavory relationships maintained by the CCC. According to postings on website of the CCC’s Tennessee chapter, members of Volksfront and Blood and Honour, two notorious and violent racist skinhead groups, joined CCC members to network and discuss “ideas and plans to make a positive impact on our regions.” The then-head of the CCC, Gordon Baum, referred to the meeting as a “no-no” after stating that the chapter was not supposed to meet with “costumed Nazis.”

On April 7, 2013, Leonard R. Wilson of Jasper, Alabama, died. He was a charter member of the CCC, as well as the organization’s national secretary and the Alabama state coordinator. He earned the nickname of "Flagpole" Wilson by climbing a flagpole during 1956 anti-integration riots at the University of Alabama to shout, "Keep 'Bama white!"

A few months later, at the organization’s 2013 annual conference in Winston-Salem, N.C., Bill Lord addressed a crowd of around 75 attendees, imploring them to think locally and “get you some bigots together and take some organizations over.” Lord, who was then the chairman of the Carroll County Democratic Party in Mississippi, was referring to positions such as the school board. He then went on to refer to Greenwood, Miss., as “the Congo” because of its large black population. The gathering only went further sideways from there, with Keith Alexander of the “Political Cesspool,” a racist and anti-Semitic far-right radio program, decrying Jewish political power and influence before stating, “The only people who can be trusted to be in charge are white people.” Another attendee, John Shudlick, five-time mayor of Ocean Ridge, Fla., encouraged the crowd to use critical thinking in the struggle for the country’s soul. According to Shudlick, the “six million figure [Jews killed in the holocaust] is a dirty filthy lie.”

In November of the same year, the CCC and the neo-Confederate League of the South held their first joint protest together against the removal of a statue of Tom Watson, an infamous racist and anti-Semite known for playing a key role in instigating the lynching of Leo Frank in 1915, from the steps of the Georgia state Capitol. The two groups’ membership rolls overlap a good deal; however, this event was demonstrative of the CCC’s longstanding strategy, focused on small, local rallies, being adopted by other hate groups.

Gordon Baum, the CCC’s founder and longtime leader, died at the age of 74 in early March 2015, leaving the future of the CCC uncertain. However, Baum’s death did little to slow down the activities of several of the group’s board members. Just weeks later, Jared Taylor and Sam Dickson, both well-known racist activists, appeared as speakers at the Russian Conservative Forum in St. Petersburg, Russia, alongside some of Europe’s most extreme, right-wing fringe.





He also attended church services where he committed the murders. By your logic, that.connection somehow makes hjs victims responsible for roof's actions.


Sorry but no. Adults are legally responsible for their own conduct--unless judged not responsible due to insanity or similar mental condition.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Read Dylann Roof's manifesto and then read up on the CCC and you will find it all lines up perfectly. Dylann Roof wasn't so much "a lone wolf having a psychotic break" as he was deeply indoctrinated in the CCC's genocidal, white supremacist rhetoric.


You forgot Gold's Gym. He's wearing a Gold's Gym T shirt. Therefore, they must share part of the blame too.


Are you actually attempting to defend the CCC?


If your contention is that they are responsble for his murders, of course. You are as insane as he is if you believe such magical thinking.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Read Dylann Roof's manifesto and then read up on the CCC and you will find it all lines up perfectly. Dylann Roof wasn't so much "a lone wolf having a psychotic break" as he was deeply indoctrinated in the CCC's genocidal, white supremacist rhetoric.


You forgot Gold's Gym. He's wearing a Gold's Gym T shirt. Therefore, they must share part of the blame too.


Are you actually attempting to defend the CCC?


If your contention is that they are responsble for his murders, of course. You are as insane as he is if you believe such magical thinking.


My contention is that they provided the motive.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I don't want Jeff outing that poster, or any poster, just because another poster doesn't believe him. Why would you seriously want Jeff to out a poster on your request?


I was essentially 'outed' by another poster months ago - Jeff had nothing to do with it. Jeff is merely saying that as the moderator, he has access to a level of detail y'all don't. I have a tech background, and know how this works.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Have you noticed how few politicians are willing to say that the flag must come down? Mr Bush just said to 'do the right thing!'
As if they fear loosing votes for taking a stand


More likely, they understand that it is SC's decision and their's alone.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Read Dylann Roof's manifesto and then read up on the CCC and you will find it all lines up perfectly. Dylann Roof wasn't so much "a lone wolf having a psychotic break" as he was deeply indoctrinated in the CCC's genocidal, white supremacist rhetoric.


You forgot Gold's Gym. He's wearing a Gold's Gym T shirt. Therefore, they must share part of the blame too.


Are you actually attempting to defend the CCC?


If your contention is that they are responsble for his murders, of course. You are as insane as he is if you believe such magical thinking.


My contention is that they provided the motive.


The sociopath takes information to the next level, in all cases. Not all people are sociopaths.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Read Dylann Roof's manifesto and then read up on the CCC and you will find it all lines up perfectly. Dylann Roof wasn't so much "a lone wolf having a psychotic break" as he was deeply indoctrinated in the CCC's genocidal, white supremacist rhetoric.


You forgot Gold's Gym. He's wearing a Gold's Gym T shirt. Therefore, they must share part of the blame too.


That is utterly and completely MORONIC. You totally fail at logic. Gold's Gym doesn't have as its core mission spreading racial divisiveness and hate as the CCC does. Neither did the church that Roof went to. YOU. FAIL. AT. LOGIC.

Please, don't be posting such sheer idiocy here.
Anonymous
No one cares about Dylan Roof just because he is a racist. There are millions of racists. We care about Dylan Roof because he is a mass killer. You can name-call all you want but attempting to blame a psycho-killer's actions on a bunch of racists just because you don't like what the racists stand for is patently illogical.

You might as well blame Martin Scorcese for the movie "Taxi Driver" since that movie was one of the things that "motivated" Hinckley. Oh wait you don't mind that incident since it was an attempted assassination of a politician you don't like (Reagan) therefore it's all good, right?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:No one cares about Dylan Roof just because he is a racist. There are millions of racists. We care about Dylan Roof because he is a mass killer. You can name-call all you want but attempting to blame a psycho-killer's actions on a bunch of racists just because you don't like what the racists stand for is patently illogical.

You might as well blame Martin Scorcese for the movie "Taxi Driver" since that movie was one of the things that "motivated" Hinckley. Oh wait you don't mind that incident since it was an attempted assassination of a politician you don't like (Reagan) therefore it's all good, right?




I find this argument very strange and entirely illogical. First of all, we have no clue if Roof would have been inspired to commit a mass murder if he was not experiencing the paranoia that was sparked and nurtured by racist propaganda and white supremacist online "friends". He might have spent the rest of his lonely days playing violent video games or whatever he was doing before he committed this murder.

Also, we have a history of murders very much like this one in this country which were inspired by white supremacist hatred. The embers of our violent racist history smolder just beneath the surface as you can clearly see on the white supremacist blog Roof was frequenting. Were all of the racist murderers of our past criminally insane? Or were they inspired to change the world and become heroes? Zealots do commit mass murders for a cause. We are able to believe this fact when Islamic extremists commit mass murders but not when young, white Americans do it. Why is that? I don't see what is so different about this one besides the fact that people don't want to admit that racism is real and dangerous.

Things have improved a little bit for black people for a short while in this country. Many of us never thought we would see a black president and yet we did. Historically, whenever things begin to improve there is backlash. Frankly, I expected to see something like this happen much sooner after Obama was elected and we began to see racist statements about him popping up all over the place. If you don't think that intense, political beliefs can inspire murderers to commit mass murder, you are seriously delusional. Why would history not repeat itself?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one cares about Dylan Roof just because he is a racist. There are millions of racists. We care about Dylan Roof because he is a mass killer. You can name-call all you want but attempting to blame a psycho-killer's actions on a bunch of racists just because you don't like what the racists stand for is patently illogical.

You might as well blame Martin Scorcese for the movie "Taxi Driver" since that movie was one of the things that "motivated" Hinckley. Oh wait you don't mind that incident since it was an attempted assassination of a politician you don't like (Reagan) therefore it's all good, right?




I find this argument very strange and entirely illogical. First of all, we have no clue if Roof would have been inspired to commit a mass murder if he was not experiencing the paranoia that was sparked and nurtured by racist propaganda and white supremacist online "friends". He might have spent the rest of his lonely days playing violent video games or whatever he was doing before he committed this murder.

Also, we have a history of murders very much like this one in this country which were inspired by white supremacist hatred. The embers of our violent racist history smolder just beneath the surface as you can clearly see on the white supremacist blog Roof was frequenting. Were all of the racist murderers of our past criminally insane? Or were they inspired to change the world and become heroes? Zealots do commit mass murders for a cause. We are able to believe this fact when Islamic extremists commit mass murders but not when young, white Americans do it. Why is that? I don't see what is so different about this one besides the fact that people don't want to admit that racism is real and dangerous.

Things have improved a little bit for black people for a short while in this country. Many of us never thought we would see a black president and yet we did. Historically, whenever things begin to improve there is backlash. Frankly, I expected to see something like this happen much sooner after Obama was elected and we began to see racist statements about him popping up all over the place. If you don't think that intense, political beliefs can inspire murderers to commit mass murder, you are seriously delusional. Why would history not repeat itself?


Hmmm very interesting. So you believe murderers do it because of "inspiration" they receive from other people?

I guess that means you think someone must have inspired all the blacks who have murdered other blacks in Baltimore since the Freddy Gray indictments, it's probably close to a hundred of those murders by now.

Do you think that Prosecutor Mosby "inspired" some of these murders? How about Mayor Rawlings-Blake? Didn't they both make very public pronouncements basically encouraging chaos in their city?

Oh but no....no, all those thugs in Baltimore who've been basically going on a crime/killing spree since those indictments, they don't take any "inspiration" from those politicians. No sir. Because that would be....that would be.....racist, to blame black people for their actions.
Anonymous
Many of you are no different than Dylan Roof in your beliefs about blacks and other minorities. The only difference between you and him is that he acted out on his hate by killing people and you spend the day on message boards continuing to spew the same stuff he believes somehow excusing your ignorance with non sequiturs, illogical nonsense, and other garbage.

If you read the comments that are made here by some throughout the board they are no different that Roof. You make sweeping comments about blacks that paint them as monsters, you continue to think they are killing everyone (and themselves), they are are on welfare, and a host of things that are backwards as hell.

Are you racist? Thats for you to determine. Youll sit here going back and forth with me about everyone else being racist but yourself and that your general statements about minorities are "facts". Thats fine. Again, to think this is the first time one has heard the idea that we(blacks) are taking over the country, raping your (white) women, and the thing Roof said before he killed those nine people is absurd.

One skim of this board, the comment section of any news article on blacks, or any online discussion board shows that these beliefs are not foreign. The action of killing and following through on those beliefs is thankfully foreign. Not the held beliefs.
Anonymous
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

– Yoda



Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one cares about Dylan Roof just because he is a racist. There are millions of racists. We care about Dylan Roof because he is a mass killer. You can name-call all you want but attempting to blame a psycho-killer's actions on a bunch of racists just because you don't like what the racists stand for is patently illogical.

You might as well blame Martin Scorcese for the movie "Taxi Driver" since that movie was one of the things that "motivated" Hinckley. Oh wait you don't mind that incident since it was an attempted assassination of a politician you don't like (Reagan) therefore it's all good, right?




I find this argument very strange and entirely illogical. First of all, we have no clue if Roof would have been inspired to commit a mass murder if he was not experiencing the paranoia that was sparked and nurtured by racist propaganda and white supremacist online "friends". He might have spent the rest of his lonely days playing violent video games or whatever he was doing before he committed this murder.

Also, we have a history of murders very much like this one in this country which were inspired by white supremacist hatred. The embers of our violent racist history smolder just beneath the surface as you can clearly see on the white supremacist blog Roof was frequenting. Were all of the racist murderers of our past criminally insane? Or were they inspired to change the world and become heroes? Zealots do commit mass murders for a cause. We are able to believe this fact when Islamic extremists commit mass murders but not when young, white Americans do it. Why is that? I don't see what is so different about this one besides the fact that people don't want to admit that racism is real and dangerous.

Things have improved a little bit for black people for a short while in this country. Many of us never thought we would see a black president and yet we did. Historically, whenever things begin to improve there is backlash. Frankly, I expected to see something like this happen much sooner after Obama was elected and we began to see racist statements about him popping up all over the place. If you don't think that intense, political beliefs can inspire murderers to commit mass murder, you are seriously delusional. Why would history not repeat itself?


Hmmm very interesting. So you believe murderers do it because of "inspiration" they receive from other people?

I guess that means you think someone must have inspired all the blacks who have murdered other blacks in Baltimore since the Freddy Gray indictments, it's probably close to a hundred of those murders by now.

Do you think that Prosecutor Mosby "inspired" some of these murders? How about Mayor Rawlings-Blake? Didn't they both make very public pronouncements basically encouraging chaos in their city?

Oh but no....no, all those thugs in Baltimore who've been basically going on a crime/killing spree since those indictments, they don't take any "inspiration" from those politicians. No sir. Because that would be....that would be.....racist, to blame black people for their actions.




Umm... yes. Some do. I don't "believe" this. I know it for a fact. Your other statements are too far off topic and too delusional to comment on. We are no longer talking about the flag. In fact, I should not have taken the bait in the first place.
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