what is wrong with modern kids and no motivation to shovel?

[Anonymous]

^^Exactly. My son and I have always shoveled for two older neighbors. This year I looked outside and heard scraping next door. My son was already shoveling for one of them before I said anything. Kids watch their parents. If their parents are saying “Don’t work for free,” then that’s what kids learn. My kid spent hours digging out one neighbor and I helped him the next day with the other neighbor. We also did our sidewalk and car. He still had more than enough time to get all of his work done.

[Anonymous]

My 12 yo learned last year that people will pay to have their driveways done. Between Monday and a Tuesday he and a friend made over $150 each and still got some sledding in. My older child chose to sled with friends 4-5 hours a day everyday this week and I was fine with that too. As long as they aren’t sitting around 12 hours a day I’m happy. They both dog sit, babysit etc. I find if we don’t give them money for everything all the time they naturally decide to find ways to earn it.

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Anonymous wrote:My 12 yo learned last year that people will pay to have their driveways done. Between Monday and a Tuesday he and a friend made over $150 each and still got some sledding in. My older child chose to sled with friends 4-5 hours a day everyday this week and I was fine with that too. As long as they aren’t sitting around 12 hours a day I’m happy. They both dog sit, babysit etc. I find if we don’t give them money for everything all the time they naturally decide to find ways to earn it.

This is the key. I wouldn't want to shovel either if my parents gave me money for what I wanted. The wealthiest people I know still make their kids work in the summers when they are teens and in college. They don't give allowances.

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Anonymous wrote:My twelve year old and his best friend have made $500 over the last two days. But, they haven’t been going door to door. They have been using the neighborhood list serv. There are lots of kids posting on there. Maybe you just aren’t seeing them because they are using new technology.

Nope, our listserv is desperate for people to shovel. Literally zero kids offering to shovel in our area.

Why do you want children to work for you? Hire adult workers like a normal person. Plenty of landscape companies make their winter money in snow removal.

I get hundreds of landscaping ads spring through fall, and 0 snow shoveling ads. I sure some guys are willing to do the job, but first, it's hard to travel in these conditions and that's why it's a "neighbor kid" job, and second, it's not a regular job, not even every year, so people don't have the business connections to make arrangements, and third, it's hard to make arrangements on short notice with short due date and not knowing how much work will be needed where and when.

My landscaping company gives me a seasonal contract. They come out of it snows and bill me $100-$150 depending on how many inches fall. They are phenomenal, do a fast job and clear to the bare sidewalks. I travel a lot for work so need someone available and reliable when Im out of town to keep our sidewalks safe.

Snow plows recovered w sidewalk so I had to shovel it again, and I appreciated their efforts with even more

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some more statistics for you.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/retirement-baby-boomers-peak-65-financial-crisis/

Well, then instead of expecting charity from strangers, tell your mom sell her house and move in with you. Solves her financial issues and snow shoveling problems as well. Or that doesn't suit you, does it? The teens don't have paid off houses or any houses at all.

My mother doesn’t expect charity and she won’t sell her house. She will give it to me. All $215k of it. Damn those boomers for sitting in their valuable real estate!

So if she doesn't sell her house and you get it, you should pay the $40/h for snow shoveling or whatever the going rate is in your area. $215K is certainly more than a few hundred an average teenager has. Otherwise what's your problem here? Is it you who expects charity? The whole thread is about why teens don't do free/cheap work for someone who sits in their paid off house and is "poor". Maybe your mom should give her house to the teenagers on her street and they'd be willing to shovel snow then?

You realize how little as is for some and how high food, prescriptions and utilities are? My teens not greedy. They can do it for others to be a good person. They aren’t materialistic. You know the teen in basic clothing and low priced sneakers. The one you make fun of.

DP.

The people expecting free help for this snow are greedy. Our teenage neighbor offered to help us for free, and we paid him, because it was a lot of work. It took him about 6 hours between the driveway, the side walk and the pathway to the front door.

If it were a 1 hour job, we'd accept free help. Asking a teenager to "help" you for 6 hours is being greedy.

+1. My teen broke our best shovel on the ice and passed out each day on our couch at 5 pm from the exhaustion of shoveling days. Our neighbors would never take advantage of him by asking him to work for free.

No one is asking, the good kids just do it.

That's stupid, and so is your definition of good kids. I'm impressed with the teens who hustled and earned money shoveling this snowcrete. They're good kids, and you are an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some more statistics for you.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/retirement-baby-boomers-peak-65-financial-crisis/

Well, then instead of expecting charity from strangers, tell your mom sell her house and move in with you. Solves her financial issues and snow shoveling problems as well. Or that doesn't suit you, does it? The teens don't have paid off houses or any houses at all.

My mother doesn’t expect charity and she won’t sell her house. She will give it to me. All $215k of it. Damn those boomers for sitting in their valuable real estate!

So if she doesn't sell her house and you get it, you should pay the $40/h for snow shoveling or whatever the going rate is in your area. $215K is certainly more than a few hundred an average teenager has. Otherwise what's your problem here? Is it you who expects charity? The whole thread is about why teens don't do free/cheap work for someone who sits in their paid off house and is "poor". Maybe your mom should give her house to the teenagers on her street and they'd be willing to shovel snow then?

You realize how little as is for some and how high food, prescriptions and utilities are? My teens not greedy. They can do it for others to be a good person. They aren’t materialistic. You know the teen in basic clothing and low priced sneakers. The one you make fun of.

DP.

The people expecting free help for this snow are greedy. Our teenage neighbor offered to help us for free, and we paid him, because it was a lot of work. It took him about 6 hours between the driveway, the side walk and the pathway to the front door.

If it were a 1 hour job, we'd accept free help. Asking a teenager to "help" you for 6 hours is being greedy.

+1. My teen broke our best shovel on the ice and passed out each day on our couch at 5 pm from the exhaustion of shoveling days. Our neighbors would never take advantage of him by asking him to work for free.

No one is asking, the good kids just do it.

Do you get paid for your work in the office or whatever you do? Yes? Are you selfish and bad? See how that sounds. Demanding free labor and making yourself some kind of victim over it, calling names, is completely ridiculous. You're not entitled to anyone's free labor. Especially from someone who is underaged, a child. Nobody is BAD, because they don't clean your sidewalk. Landscaping companies, as someone mentioned above, have contracts to deal with snow. Just like you pay for your summer grass cutting. Do you feel others should cut your grass for free? What else should they do for you for free? Not sure how someone gets so entitled that they call complete strangers bad and selfish, when they're not provided free labor! How ridiculous! I hope your actual neighbors find out what kind of person you really are (entitled and manipulative, as nobody normal would use the words you do) and will never help you with anything! I'm sure you gossip behind their backs.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some more statistics for you.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/retirement-baby-boomers-peak-65-financial-crisis/

Well, then instead of expecting charity from strangers, tell your mom sell her house and move in with you. Solves her financial issues and snow shoveling problems as well. Or that doesn't suit you, does it? The teens don't have paid off houses or any houses at all.

My mother doesn’t expect charity and she won’t sell her house. She will give it to me. All $215k of it. Damn those boomers for sitting in their valuable real estate!

So if she doesn't sell her house and you get it, you should pay the $40/h for snow shoveling or whatever the going rate is in your area. $215K is certainly more than a few hundred an average teenager has. Otherwise what's your problem here? Is it you who expects charity? The whole thread is about why teens don't do free/cheap work for someone who sits in their paid off house and is "poor". Maybe your mom should give her house to the teenagers on her street and they'd be willing to shovel snow then?

You realize how little as is for some and how high food, prescriptions and utilities are? My teens not greedy. They can do it for others to be a good person. They aren’t materialistic. You know the teen in basic clothing and low priced sneakers. The one you make fun of.

DP.

The people expecting free help for this snow are greedy. Our teenage neighbor offered to help us for free, and we paid him, because it was a lot of work. It took him about 6 hours between the driveway, the side walk and the pathway to the front door.

If it were a 1 hour job, we'd accept free help. Asking a teenager to "help" you for 6 hours is being greedy.

+1. My teen broke our best shovel on the ice and passed out each day on our couch at 5 pm from the exhaustion of shoveling days. Our neighbors would never take advantage of him by asking him to work for free.

No one is asking, the good kids just do it.

Do you get paid for your work in the office or whatever you do? Yes? Are you selfish and bad? See how that sounds. Demanding free labor and making yourself some kind of victim over it, calling names, is completely ridiculous. You're not entitled to anyone's free labor. Especially from someone who is underaged, a child. Nobody is BAD, because they don't clean your sidewalk. Landscaping companies, as someone mentioned above, have contracts to deal with snow. Just like you pay for your summer grass cutting. Do you feel others should cut your grass for free? What else should they do for you for free? Not sure how someone gets so entitled that they call complete strangers bad and selfish, when they're not provided free labor! How ridiculous! I hope your actual neighbors find out what kind of person you really are (entitled and manipulative, as nobody normal would use the words you do) and will never help you with anything! I'm sure you gossip behind their backs.

+1. There is someone on this thread that keeps posting vile stuff like “no decent kid would accept money to shovel from a neighbor” under the pretense of being a good parent when they sound like neither a good parent or a good person.

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Kids do the elderly neighbors for free.

But charge the sht out of the capable but lazy neighbors.

[Anonymous]

My 16 year old daughter shoveled in front of an elderly woman's home without being asked and the lady came out and gave her $30. In my mind, that's what it is all about. People appreciating each other and helping one another out.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids do the elderly neighbors for free.

But charge the sht out of the capable but lazy neighbors.

If you’re living somewhere that you can see your elderly neighbor is impoverished, sure go ahead and do it for free-but where I live, some of the elderly neighbors are well off and happy to pay and would think it’s bizarre that someone is offering them charity when they don’t need it.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some more statistics for you.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/retirement-baby-boomers-peak-65-financial-crisis/

Well, then instead of expecting charity from strangers, tell your mom sell her house and move in with you. Solves her financial issues and snow shoveling problems as well. Or that doesn't suit you, does it? The teens don't have paid off houses or any houses at all.

My mother doesn’t expect charity and she won’t sell her house. She will give it to me. All $215k of it. Damn those boomers for sitting in their valuable real estate!

So if she doesn't sell her house and you get it, you should pay the $40/h for snow shoveling or whatever the going rate is in your area. $215K is certainly more than a few hundred an average teenager has. Otherwise what's your problem here? Is it you who expects charity? The whole thread is about why teens don't do free/cheap work for someone who sits in their paid off house and is "poor". Maybe your mom should give her house to the teenagers on her street and they'd be willing to shovel snow then?

You realize how little as is for some and how high food, prescriptions and utilities are? My teens not greedy. They can do it for others to be a good person. They aren’t materialistic. You know the teen in basic clothing and low priced sneakers. The one you make fun of.

DP.

The people expecting free help for this snow are greedy. Our teenage neighbor offered to help us for free, and we paid him, because it was a lot of work. It took him about 6 hours between the driveway, the side walk and the pathway to the front door.

If it were a 1 hour job, we'd accept free help. Asking a teenager to "help" you for 6 hours is being greedy.

+1. My teen broke our best shovel on the ice and passed out each day on our couch at 5 pm from the exhaustion of shoveling days. Our neighbors would never take advantage of him by asking him to work for free.

No one is asking, the good kids just do it.

Do you get paid for your work in the office or whatever you do? Yes? Are you selfish and bad? See how that sounds. Demanding free labor and making yourself some kind of victim over it, calling names, is completely ridiculous. You're not entitled to anyone's free labor. Especially from someone who is underaged, a child. Nobody is BAD, because they don't clean your sidewalk. Landscaping companies, as someone mentioned above, have contracts to deal with snow. Just like you pay for your summer grass cutting. Do you feel others should cut your grass for free? What else should they do for you for free? Not sure how someone gets so entitled that they call complete strangers bad and selfish, when they're not provided free labor! How ridiculous! I hope your actual neighbors find out what kind of person you really are (entitled and manipulative, as nobody normal would use the words you do) and will never help you with anything! I'm sure you gossip behind their backs.

+1. Whomever is saying “good kids shovel for free” needs to sign off their laptop and go shovel out some elderly instead of sitting at the comfort of the computer and insulting teens working hard shoveling this snowcrete.

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Anonymous wrote:My 12 yo learned last year that people will pay to have their driveways done. Between Monday and a Tuesday he and a friend made over $150 each and still got some sledding in. My older child chose to sled with friends 4-5 hours a day everyday this week and I was fine with that too. As long as they aren’t sitting around 12 hours a day I’m happy. They both dog sit, babysit etc. I find if we don’t give them money for everything all the time they naturally decide to find ways to earn it.

This is the key. I wouldn't want to shovel either if my parents gave me money for what I wanted. The wealthiest people I know still make their kids work in the summers when they are teens and in college. They don't give allowances.

What do you think we give our kids that’s so excessive? Mine works summers and we put that money away. I don’t allow them to take money from our older and disabled neighbors as irs the right thing to do and one day it will be me. My kids aren’t wearing designer clothing or shoes, going out to eat constantly, shopping, etc. they are too busy with school and activities. They do have one hobby we will buy gear for. So, yes, the few times a month they eat our with friend or their team we will pay. Why wouldn’t we? Those kids you know are out all the time, want hair, nails, designer clothing, some of our kids are not.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids do the elderly neighbors for free.

But charge the sht out of the capable but lazy neighbors.

If you’re living somewhere that you can see your elderly neighbor is impoverished, sure go ahead and do it for free-but where I live, some of the elderly neighbors are well off and happy to pay and would think it’s bizarre that someone is offering them charity when they don’t need it.

Lazy adults demanding others do it as they will not themselves. Our neighbors don’t ask. We just do it. No, I’m not charging neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some more statistics for you.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/retirement-baby-boomers-peak-65-financial-crisis/

Well, then instead of expecting charity from strangers, tell your mom sell her house and move in with you. Solves her financial issues and snow shoveling problems as well. Or that doesn't suit you, does it? The teens don't have paid off houses or any houses at all.

My mother doesn’t expect charity and she won’t sell her house. She will give it to me. All $215k of it. Damn those boomers for sitting in their valuable real estate!

So if she doesn't sell her house and you get it, you should pay the $40/h for snow shoveling or whatever the going rate is in your area. $215K is certainly more than a few hundred an average teenager has. Otherwise what's your problem here? Is it you who expects charity? The whole thread is about why teens don't do free/cheap work for someone who sits in their paid off house and is "poor". Maybe your mom should give her house to the teenagers on her street and they'd be willing to shovel snow then?

You realize how little as is for some and how high food, prescriptions and utilities are? My teens not greedy. They can do it for others to be a good person. They aren’t materialistic. You know the teen in basic clothing and low priced sneakers. The one you make fun of.

DP.

The people expecting free help for this snow are greedy. Our teenage neighbor offered to help us for free, and we paid him, because it was a lot of work. It took him about 6 hours between the driveway, the side walk and the pathway to the front door.

If it were a 1 hour job, we'd accept free help. Asking a teenager to "help" you for 6 hours is being greedy.

+1. My teen broke our best shovel on the ice and passed out each day on our couch at 5 pm from the exhaustion of shoveling days. Our neighbors would never take advantage of him by asking him to work for free.

No one is asking, the good kids just do it.

Do you get paid for your work in the office or whatever you do? Yes? Are you selfish and bad? See how that sounds. Demanding free labor and making yourself some kind of victim over it, calling names, is completely ridiculous. You're not entitled to anyone's free labor. Especially from someone who is underaged, a child. Nobody is BAD, because they don't clean your sidewalk. Landscaping companies, as someone mentioned above, have contracts to deal with snow. Just like you pay for your summer grass cutting. Do you feel others should cut your grass for free? What else should they do for you for free? Not sure how someone gets so entitled that they call complete strangers bad and selfish, when they're not provided free labor! How ridiculous! I hope your actual neighbors find out what kind of person you really are (entitled and manipulative, as nobody normal would use the words you do) and will never help you with anything! I'm sure you gossip behind their backs.

I don’t have income but spend many hours volunteering for our school. We don’t pay anyone to do anything…you may. What is wrong with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are some more statistics for you.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/retirement-baby-boomers-peak-65-financial-crisis/

Well, then instead of expecting charity from strangers, tell your mom sell her house and move in with you. Solves her financial issues and snow shoveling problems as well. Or that doesn't suit you, does it? The teens don't have paid off houses or any houses at all.

My mother doesn’t expect charity and she won’t sell her house. She will give it to me. All $215k of it. Damn those boomers for sitting in their valuable real estate!

So if she doesn't sell her house and you get it, you should pay the $40/h for snow shoveling or whatever the going rate is in your area. $215K is certainly more than a few hundred an average teenager has. Otherwise what's your problem here? Is it you who expects charity? The whole thread is about why teens don't do free/cheap work for someone who sits in their paid off house and is "poor". Maybe your mom should give her house to the teenagers on her street and they'd be willing to shovel snow then?

You realize how little as is for some and how high food, prescriptions and utilities are? My teens not greedy. They can do it for others to be a good person. They aren’t materialistic. You know the teen in basic clothing and low priced sneakers. The one you make fun of.

DP.

The people expecting free help for this snow are greedy. Our teenage neighbor offered to help us for free, and we paid him, because it was a lot of work. It took him about 6 hours between the driveway, the side walk and the pathway to the front door.

If it were a 1 hour job, we'd accept free help. Asking a teenager to "help" you for 6 hours is being greedy.

+1. My teen broke our best shovel on the ice and passed out each day on our couch at 5 pm from the exhaustion of shoveling days. Our neighbors would never take advantage of him by asking him to work for free.

No one is asking, the good kids just do it.

Do you get paid for your work in the office or whatever you do? Yes? Are you selfish and bad? See how that sounds. Demanding free labor and making yourself some kind of victim over it, calling names, is completely ridiculous. You're not entitled to anyone's free labor. Especially from someone who is underaged, a child. Nobody is BAD, because they don't clean your sidewalk. Landscaping companies, as someone mentioned above, have contracts to deal with snow. Just like you pay for your summer grass cutting. Do you feel others should cut your grass for free? What else should they do for you for free? Not sure how someone gets so entitled that they call complete strangers bad and selfish, when they're not provided free labor! How ridiculous! I hope your actual neighbors find out what kind of person you really are (entitled and manipulative, as nobody normal would use the words you do) and will never help you with anything! I'm sure you gossip behind their backs.

I don’t have income but spend many hours volunteering for our school. We don’t pay anyone to do anything…you may. What is wrong with you.

What does we don’t pay anyone to do anything even mean? You grow all your own food?

You have school aged kids and no income coming in? How do you feed them?