Thursday Nov 20 BOE Discussion on Boundaries and Regional Program Model

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Anonymous wrote:The anti-Einstein contingent here is really desperate.

I'd say exactly the opposite - the Einstein families are desperate. Not happy with either the boundary or program studies with a separate thread dedicated to how worried families are about the future of Einstein.

but....the Einstein posts are dominated by one person. And she often colors the truth. So who knows what Einstein parents actually are thinking.

How do you know who is posting on an anonymous forum?

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Anonymous wrote:The anti-Einstein contingent here is really desperate.

I'd say exactly the opposite - the Einstein families are desperate. Not happy with either the boundary or program studies with a separate thread dedicated to how worried families are about the future of Einstein.

but....the Einstein posts are dominated by one person. And she often colors the truth. So who knows what Einstein parents actually are thinking.

How do you know who is posting on an anonymous forum?

They don't, there is more than one Einstein parent posting here and many, many concerned parents in the Einstein community.

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Anonymous wrote:The anti-Einstein contingent here is really desperate.

I'd say exactly the opposite - the Einstein families are desperate. Not happy with either the boundary or program studies with a separate thread dedicated to how worried families are about the future of Einstein.

but....the Einstein posts are dominated by one person. And she often colors the truth. So who knows what Einstein parents actually are thinking.

How do you know who is posting on an anonymous forum?

They don't, there is more than one Einstein parent posting here and many, many concerned parents in the Einstein community.

It’s more than one. They all have different competing priorities. A few are super angry and attack strangers online with insults. Others are reasonable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The anti-Einstein contingent here is really desperate.

I'd say exactly the opposite - the Einstein families are desperate. Not happy with either the boundary or program studies with a separate thread dedicated to how worried families are about the future of Einstein.

but....the Einstein posts are dominated by one person. And she often colors the truth. So who knows what Einstein parents actually are thinking.

How do you know who is posting on an anonymous forum?

They don't, there is more than one Einstein parent posting here and many, many concerned parents in the Einstein community.

It’s more than one. They all have different competing priorities. A few are super angry and attack strangers online with insults. Others are reasonable.

I think you are confused. There is someone determined to dismiss Einstein parents' concerns who is repeatedly hurling insults to distract from MCPS's disgusting and inequitable regional program proposal.

[Anonymous]

Every single Einstein cluster parent I have spoken to in our neighborhood is livid about this plan. We might have different ideas to make it better but overall we pretty much agree it is going to be a total sh$t sh0w that will hurt our kids. We know this because many of my neighbors' kids already got to be the guinea pigs for an elementary school program that MCPS didn't properly plan or support. Last year MCPS put out a report about how Black, Brown and disabled kids in the program experienced lower math and literacy rates because of this. These exact same kids will be the guinea pigs for the new regional program model.

[Anonymous]

Back to the topic, though. After watching this past BOE meeting, it’s clear this regional plan is going to be pushed through despite community concerns and opposition. I can’t see a scenario where the BOE changes course based on the way they were speaking about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The anti-Einstein contingent here is really desperate.

I'd say exactly the opposite - the Einstein families are desperate. Not happy with either the boundary or program studies with a separate thread dedicated to how worried families are about the future of Einstein.

but....the Einstein posts are dominated by one person. And she often colors the truth. So who knows what Einstein parents actually are thinking.

How do you know who is posting on an anonymous forum?

bc MVC Einstein mom is a one of the most notorious posters in the MCPS forum on DCUM. Her points and style are well-known and exhausting.

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Anonymous wrote:Back to the topic, though. After watching this past BOE meeting, it’s clear this regional plan is going to be pushed through despite community concerns and opposition. I can’t see a scenario where the BOE changes course based on the way they were speaking about it.

I agree, and I wish I could understand why. And it's obviously a bigger issue than just this, we saw how ineffective the BOE was after the Beidleman fiasco. I know, BOE members aren't paid enough but this goes beyond them not having enough time/staff to question the Superintendent. Most of them act like they have been hypnotized or some sh$t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The anti-Einstein contingent here is really desperate.

I'd say exactly the opposite - the Einstein families are desperate. Not happy with either the boundary or program studies with a separate thread dedicated to how worried families are about the future of Einstein.

but....the Einstein posts are dominated by one person. And she often colors the truth. So who knows what Einstein parents actually are thinking.

How do you know who is posting on an anonymous forum?

bc MVC Einstein mom is a one of the most notorious posters in the MCPS forum on DCUM. Her points and style are well-known and exhausting.

Where was MVC mentioned in this thread, if at all, and how many pages did you have to go back to find it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every single Einstein cluster parent I have spoken to in our neighborhood is livid about this plan. We might have different ideas to make it better but overall we pretty much agree it is going to be a total sh$t sh0w that will hurt our kids. We know this because many of my neighbors' kids already got to be the guinea pigs for an elementary school program that MCPS didn't properly plan or support. Last year MCPS put out a report about how Black, Brown and disabled kids in the program experienced lower math and literacy rates because of this. These exact same kids will be the guinea pigs for the new regional program model.

This will hurt all kids as no one is getting their needs met. The kids struggle are not getting the right support starting in elementary school and the high achievers cannot thrive as they don’t have the classes they need. Our kids have gone through tons of curriculum changes with no stability. In elementary school, they were not given a good foundation and that’s partly why we see kids struggling. They aren’t bad kids, they aren’t dumb kids, they were not given what they needed. And, now instead of improving things, our kids will get even less without access to the dcc and the schools working together. Many of us cannot provide transportation multiple times a day till our kids start driving and then provide a car, maintenance and insurance.

Instead of this mess, use the money to give kids a good foundation in elementary and any child not at grade level extra support in reading, writing, spelling and math. That’s the key to improvement. Mcps has the money. It’s time to put it where it’s important…the students.

We want our kids to have the same opportunities that other kids have and we want all the kids in other schools, similar to ours, lacking the courses, clubs and extras to have them too. That is equity. And, we want the kids struggling to be provided with the right support starting to get them back on track so they can be successful not only in school but after graduation.

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Anonymous wrote:The anti-Einstein contingent here is really desperate.

I'd say exactly the opposite - the Einstein families are desperate. Not happy with either the boundary or program studies with a separate thread dedicated to how worried families are about the future of Einstein.

but....the Einstein posts are dominated by one person. And she often colors the truth. So who knows what Einstein parents actually are thinking.

How do you know who is posting on an anonymous forum?

bc MVC Einstein mom is a one of the most notorious posters in the MCPS forum on DCUM. Her points and style are well-known and exhausting.

Where was MVC mentioned in this thread, if at all, and how many pages did you have to go back to find it?

ma'am, search "Einstein" and she'll show up. If you aren't in fact her.

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Anonymous wrote:The anti-Einstein contingent here is really desperate.

I'd say exactly the opposite - the Einstein families are desperate. Not happy with either the boundary or program studies with a separate thread dedicated to how worried families are about the future of Einstein.

but....the Einstein posts are dominated by one person. And she often colors the truth. So who knows what Einstein parents actually are thinking.

How do you know who is posting on an anonymous forum?

bc MVC Einstein mom is a one of the most notorious posters in the MCPS forum on DCUM. Her points and style are well-known and exhausting.

Where was MVC mentioned in this thread, if at all, and how many pages did you have to go back to find it?

MVC is just one issue. If some schools have it, why shouldn’t all. If it’s not important, remove it from all schools and don’t put kids on a math track that has it as a graduation requirement. If ap science classes are not important, remove them from all schools. If engineering, computer science, the arts, and humanities are not important, remove those from all schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The anti-Einstein contingent here is really desperate.

I'd say exactly the opposite - the Einstein families are desperate. Not happy with either the boundary or program studies with a separate thread dedicated to how worried families are about the future of Einstein.

but....the Einstein posts are dominated by one person. And she often colors the truth. So who knows what Einstein parents actually are thinking.

How do you know who is posting on an anonymous forum?

bc MVC Einstein mom is a one of the most notorious posters in the MCPS forum on DCUM. Her points and style are well-known and exhausting.

Where was MVC mentioned in this thread, if at all, and how many pages did you have to go back to find it?

ma'am, search "Einstein" and she'll show up. If you aren't in fact her.

So MVC hasn't been mentioned in this thread but you bring it up here why? Who are you and what is your damage?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The anti-Einstein contingent here is really desperate.

I'd say exactly the opposite - the Einstein families are desperate. Not happy with either the boundary or program studies with a separate thread dedicated to how worried families are about the future of Einstein.

but....the Einstein posts are dominated by one person. And she often colors the truth. So who knows what Einstein parents actually are thinking.

How do you know who is posting on an anonymous forum?

bc MVC Einstein mom is a one of the most notorious posters in the MCPS forum on DCUM. Her points and style are well-known and exhausting.

Where was MVC mentioned in this thread, if at all, and how many pages did you have to go back to find it?

MVC is just one issue. If some schools have it, why shouldn’t all. If it’s not important, remove it from all schools and don’t put kids on a math track that has it as a graduation requirement. If ap science classes are not important, remove them from all schools. If engineering, computer science, the arts, and humanities are not important, remove those from all schools.

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MCPS has plenty of money but doesn't spend it on teaching kids to read, write or understand math. That's why a majority of MCPS students graduate not proficient in math. And a full 40% are not proficient in ELA. How is this not a five alarm fire? Why is so much staff time and energy being spent on anything other than addressing this emergency?

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

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Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

Central office is pulling programs out of the air; doesn't seem there is much rhyme or reason to many of them.

BCC already has an engineering program. They will attract students from other schools with it which will increase the staff allocation for BCC. Can't say the same for the Einstein biomedical program that doesn't exist and won't get any resources.

Both Whitman and BCC have engineering. That means Whitman students continue to have the same access they always had.

Northwood, Einstein, and Blair do not have engineering programs. DCC students who want engineering go to Wheaton, which is closer than BCC will be. Moreover, the DCC model allowed a few hundred non-Wheaton students per year to access the engineering program.

The new model will accept maybe 30 non-BCC students in the first few years. It seems like there won’t be limits on BCC students who want to sign up for engineering classes.

So basically, BCC and Whitman students will have unrestricted access to engineering, while 30 students from Blair, Einstein and Northwood will get into the program.

There’s no equity in this proposal and MCPS should stop pretending otherwise.

The Blair magnet has multiple engineering courses in that program, to which Blair Northwood and Einstein kids can access seats. So now you have three schools that were not available to you before but which are now available with engineering. We cannot locate all programs at Einstein, sorry.

First of all it's incredibly disingenuous to say Einstein kids "can access" seats at other schools. First they have to get into the program by lottery or by criteria and they also have to figure out the commute which not all schools can do.

Whitman and BCC have all the programs already. They have engineering, they have advanced math, they have advanced humanities. Every single student at these schools can access those programs, not just ones that win the lottery. To suggest Einstein families are asking for too much when Whitman and BCC already have everything is disgusting and offensive.

How about just having one AP physics class at
Einstein. Not asking for the three different AP physics classes that BCC and Whitman have that give their students an edge for admission to engineering programs. Just one. Am I being greedy?

The Einstein families posting on this Board looking for higher-level APs would do well to advocate for retiring in the local IB program there, which would clear the way to have more AP classes in lieu of IB classes.

Plenty of schools have IB programs and AP classes. Richard Montgomery and BCC do just fine.

They do, but Einstein is telling families there are not enough students to fill the AP courses. Also the demographics of those 3 schools are very different.

How can they possibly know this if they don't offer the courses in the first place?

And yes, Einstein serves a higher needs population than BCC or Whitman. It has larger percentages of students with IEPs, EMLs and students that receive FARMS. Yet it receives no extra funding to meet the needs of the FARMS students, even though MCPS gets extra funding from the state for every FARMS student. Of course, they are stretched thin.

If you want to constantly shriek that you are advancing equity, then actually try to advance equity. Don't make zero effort and then talk down to and shut down families and staff that complain.

Einstein did offer both AP and IB science courses for years. But there weren't enough students to justify keeping both sets of courses, so they kept IB science because they are required to as an IB school.

There are, some of the admin don’t support ap classes and are very vocal about it.