Thursday Nov 20 BOE Discussion on Boundaries and Regional Program Model

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Anonymous wrote:The anti-Einstein contingent here is really desperate.

I'd say exactly the opposite - the Einstein families are desperate. Not happy with either the boundary or program studies with a separate thread dedicated to how worried families are about the future of Einstein.

but....the Einstein posts are dominated by one person. And she often colors the truth. So who knows what Einstein parents actually are thinking.

How do you know who is posting on an anonymous forum?

bc MVC Einstein mom is a one of the most notorious posters in the MCPS forum on DCUM. Her points and style are well-known and exhausting.

Where was MVC mentioned in this thread, if at all, and how many pages did you have to go back to find it?

MVC is just one issue. If some schools have it, why shouldn’t all. If it’s not important, remove it from all schools and don’t put kids on a math track that has it as a graduation requirement. If ap science classes are not important, remove them from all schools. If engineering, computer science, the arts, and humanities are not important, remove those from all schools.

see if you bring up MVC she'll bite. This is her.

What is your obsession with mvc?

They want to distract from how awful the regional program model is by making fun of an anonymous poster. Classic bullying, my guess is they come straight from CO.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single Einstein cluster parent I have spoken to in our neighborhood is livid about this plan. We might have different ideas to make it better but overall we pretty much agree it is going to be a total sh$t sh0w that will hurt our kids. We know this because many of my neighbors' kids already got to be the guinea pigs for an elementary school program that MCPS didn't properly plan or support. Last year MCPS put out a report about how Black, Brown and disabled kids in the program experienced lower math and literacy rates because of this. These exact same kids will be the guinea pigs for the new regional program model.

What program is this?

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

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Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

Central office is pulling programs out of the air; doesn't seem there is much rhyme or reason to many of them.

BCC already has an engineering program. They will attract students from other schools with it which will increase the staff allocation for BCC. Can't say the same for the Einstein biomedical program that doesn't exist and won't get any resources.

Both Whitman and BCC have engineering. That means Whitman students continue to have the same access they always had.

Northwood, Einstein, and Blair do not have engineering programs. DCC students who want engineering go to Wheaton, which is closer than BCC will be. Moreover, the DCC model allowed a few hundred non-Wheaton students per year to access the engineering program.

The new model will accept maybe 30 non-BCC students in the first few years. It seems like there won’t be limits on BCC students who want to sign up for engineering classes.

So basically, BCC and Whitman students will have unrestricted access to engineering, while 30 students from Blair, Einstein and Northwood will get into the program.

There’s no equity in this proposal and MCPS should stop pretending otherwise.

The Blair magnet has multiple engineering courses in that program, to which Blair Northwood and Einstein kids can access seats. So now you have three schools that were not available to you before but which are now available with engineering. We cannot locate all programs at Einstein, sorry.

First of all it's incredibly disingenuous to say Einstein kids "can access" seats at other schools. First they have to get into the program by lottery or by criteria and they also have to figure out the commute which not all schools can do.

Whitman and BCC have all the programs already. They have engineering, they have advanced math, they have advanced humanities. Every single student at these schools can access those programs, not just ones that win the lottery. To suggest Einstein families are asking for too much when Whitman and BCC already have everything is disgusting and offensive.

How about just having one AP physics class at
Einstein. Not asking for the three different AP physics classes that BCC and Whitman have that give their students an edge for admission to engineering programs. Just one. Am I being greedy?

The Einstein families posting on this Board looking for higher-level APs would do well to advocate for retiring in the local IB program there, which would clear the way to have more AP classes in lieu of IB classes.

Plenty of schools have IB programs and AP classes. Richard Montgomery and BCC do just fine.

They do, but Einstein is telling families there are not enough students to fill the AP courses. Also the demographics of those 3 schools are very different.

How can they possibly know this if they don't offer the courses in the first place?

And yes, Einstein serves a higher needs population than BCC or Whitman. It has larger percentages of students with IEPs, EMLs and students that receive FARMS. Yet it receives no extra funding to meet the needs of the FARMS students, even though MCPS gets extra funding from the state for every FARMS student. Of course, they are stretched thin.

If you want to constantly shriek that you are advancing equity, then actually try to advance equity. Don't make zero effort and then talk down to and shut down families and staff that complain.

Einstein did offer both AP and IB science courses for years. But there weren't enough students to justify keeping both sets of courses, so they kept IB science because they are required to as an IB school.

There are, some of the admin don’t support ap classes and are very vocal about it.

Not true, Einstein still offers AP classes in nearly every other department except for Science.

Why don’t they offer AP classes in science subjects? That is something to write to the superintendent about

As explained above, they offer IB classes in Science in lieu of AP. MCPS considers these comparable (yes, I know DCUM does not).

Many colleges don't consider them comparable either but sure, it's just crazy DCUM

Many colleges do consider them comparable too.

Oh cool, kids don't care where they go to college at all. Especially those at risk underprivileged kids, they should just be grateful for what they get.

Wait are we concerned that top colleges are turning down their noses at IB classes for admissions decisions? That seems difficult to believe.

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They want kids to take the most challenging classes available in a school. If a school only has IB science classes, those are the ones they will look to. They will not penalize kids for not taking AP classes when they are not offered.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

Central office is pulling programs out of the air; doesn't seem there is much rhyme or reason to many of them.

BCC already has an engineering program. They will attract students from other schools with it which will increase the staff allocation for BCC. Can't say the same for the Einstein biomedical program that doesn't exist and won't get any resources.

Both Whitman and BCC have engineering. That means Whitman students continue to have the same access they always had.

Northwood, Einstein, and Blair do not have engineering programs. DCC students who want engineering go to Wheaton, which is closer than BCC will be. Moreover, the DCC model allowed a few hundred non-Wheaton students per year to access the engineering program.

The new model will accept maybe 30 non-BCC students in the first few years. It seems like there won’t be limits on BCC students who want to sign up for engineering classes.

So basically, BCC and Whitman students will have unrestricted access to engineering, while 30 students from Blair, Einstein and Northwood will get into the program.

There’s no equity in this proposal and MCPS should stop pretending otherwise.

The Blair magnet has multiple engineering courses in that program, to which Blair Northwood and Einstein kids can access seats. So now you have three schools that were not available to you before but which are now available with engineering. We cannot locate all programs at Einstein, sorry.

First of all it's incredibly disingenuous to say Einstein kids "can access" seats at other schools. First they have to get into the program by lottery or by criteria and they also have to figure out the commute which not all schools can do.

Whitman and BCC have all the programs already. They have engineering, they have advanced math, they have advanced humanities. Every single student at these schools can access those programs, not just ones that win the lottery. To suggest Einstein families are asking for too much when Whitman and BCC already have everything is disgusting and offensive.

How about just having one AP physics class at
Einstein. Not asking for the three different AP physics classes that BCC and Whitman have that give their students an edge for admission to engineering programs. Just one. Am I being greedy?

The Einstein families posting on this Board looking for higher-level APs would do well to advocate for retiring in the local IB program there, which would clear the way to have more AP classes in lieu of IB classes.

Plenty of schools have IB programs and AP classes. Richard Montgomery and BCC do just fine.

They do, but Einstein is telling families there are not enough students to fill the AP courses. Also the demographics of those 3 schools are very different.

How can they possibly know this if they don't offer the courses in the first place?

And yes, Einstein serves a higher needs population than BCC or Whitman. It has larger percentages of students with IEPs, EMLs and students that receive FARMS. Yet it receives no extra funding to meet the needs of the FARMS students, even though MCPS gets extra funding from the state for every FARMS student. Of course, they are stretched thin.

If you want to constantly shriek that you are advancing equity, then actually try to advance equity. Don't make zero effort and then talk down to and shut down families and staff that complain.

Einstein did offer both AP and IB science courses for years. But there weren't enough students to justify keeping both sets of courses, so they kept IB science because they are required to as an IB school.

There are, some of the admin don’t support ap classes and are very vocal about it.

Not true, Einstein still offers AP classes in nearly every other department except for Science.

Why don’t they offer AP classes in science subjects? That is something to write to the superintendent about

As explained above, they offer IB classes in Science in lieu of AP. MCPS considers these comparable (yes, I know DCUM does not).

Many colleges don't consider them comparable either but sure, it's just crazy DCUM

Many colleges do consider them comparable too.

Oh cool, kids don't care where they go to college at all. Especially those at risk underprivileged kids, they should just be grateful for what they get.

Wait are we concerned that top colleges are turning down their noses at IB classes for admissions decisions? That seems difficult to believe.

+1
They want kids to take the most challenging classes available in a school. If a school only has IB science classes, those are the ones they will look to. They will not penalize kids for not taking AP classes when they are not offered.

Engineering programs will absolutely be more impressed with a candidate who has proven their capacity to succeed in advanced calculus based physics classes

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Anonymous wrote:Every single Einstein cluster parent I have spoken to in our neighborhood is livid about this plan. We might have different ideas to make it better but overall we pretty much agree it is going to be a total sh$t sh0w that will hurt our kids. We know this because many of my neighbors' kids already got to be the guinea pigs for an elementary school program that MCPS didn't properly plan or support. Last year MCPS put out a report about how Black, Brown and disabled kids in the program experienced lower math and literacy rates because of this. These exact same kids will be the guinea pigs for the new regional program model.

What program is this?

The two-way immersion program at Oakland Terrace. It's never gotten adequate support from MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single Einstein cluster parent I have spoken to in our neighborhood is livid about this plan. We might have different ideas to make it better but overall we pretty much agree it is going to be a total sh$t sh0w that will hurt our kids. We know this because many of my neighbors' kids already got to be the guinea pigs for an elementary school program that MCPS didn't properly plan or support. Last year MCPS put out a report about how Black, Brown and disabled kids in the program experienced lower math and literacy rates because of this. These exact same kids will be the guinea pigs for the new regional program model.

What program is this?

TWI

250513_Two Way Immersion 2024_Final.pdf https://share.google/bOM1QCMizqqE3u1nj

60.0% of teachers and 42.7% of staff disagreed that their professional learning prepared them to support the model.
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Moreover, teachers and staff expressed considerable dissatisfaction with the accessibility of adequate instructional materials in their respective languages, with 66% of teachers and 80.5% of staff indicating dissatisfaction.
...
Survey and interview feedback detailed major challenges in aligning BUF with existing curricula, particularly in dual language programs. The participants noted that therushed rollout and lack of adequate training led to concerns about the effective implementation of BUF. Additionally, the curriculum's lack of appropriate resources, such
as authentic texts and culturally responsive materials, forced staff to create or adapt their own, which was time-consuming and difficult. Staff had to invest considerable time and energy in developing and writing comprehensive lesson plans for the units, which also involved additional planning time and additional coordination among
teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

Central office is pulling programs out of the air; doesn't seem there is much rhyme or reason to many of them.

BCC already has an engineering program. They will attract students from other schools with it which will increase the staff allocation for BCC. Can't say the same for the Einstein biomedical program that doesn't exist and won't get any resources.

Both Whitman and BCC have engineering. That means Whitman students continue to have the same access they always had.

Northwood, Einstein, and Blair do not have engineering programs. DCC students who want engineering go to Wheaton, which is closer than BCC will be. Moreover, the DCC model allowed a few hundred non-Wheaton students per year to access the engineering program.

The new model will accept maybe 30 non-BCC students in the first few years. It seems like there won’t be limits on BCC students who want to sign up for engineering classes.

So basically, BCC and Whitman students will have unrestricted access to engineering, while 30 students from Blair, Einstein and Northwood will get into the program.

There’s no equity in this proposal and MCPS should stop pretending otherwise.

The Blair magnet has multiple engineering courses in that program, to which Blair Northwood and Einstein kids can access seats. So now you have three schools that were not available to you before but which are now available with engineering. We cannot locate all programs at Einstein, sorry.

First of all it's incredibly disingenuous to say Einstein kids "can access" seats at other schools. First they have to get into the program by lottery or by criteria and they also have to figure out the commute which not all schools can do.

Whitman and BCC have all the programs already. They have engineering, they have advanced math, they have advanced humanities. Every single student at these schools can access those programs, not just ones that win the lottery. To suggest Einstein families are asking for too much when Whitman and BCC already have everything is disgusting and offensive.

How about just having one AP physics class at
Einstein. Not asking for the three different AP physics classes that BCC and Whitman have that give their students an edge for admission to engineering programs. Just one. Am I being greedy?

The Einstein families posting on this Board looking for higher-level APs would do well to advocate for retiring in the local IB program there, which would clear the way to have more AP classes in lieu of IB classes.

Plenty of schools have IB programs and AP classes. Richard Montgomery and BCC do just fine.

They do, but Einstein is telling families there are not enough students to fill the AP courses. Also the demographics of those 3 schools are very different.

How can they possibly know this if they don't offer the courses in the first place?

And yes, Einstein serves a higher needs population than BCC or Whitman. It has larger percentages of students with IEPs, EMLs and students that receive FARMS. Yet it receives no extra funding to meet the needs of the FARMS students, even though MCPS gets extra funding from the state for every FARMS student. Of course, they are stretched thin.

If you want to constantly shriek that you are advancing equity, then actually try to advance equity. Don't make zero effort and then talk down to and shut down families and staff that complain.

Einstein did offer both AP and IB science courses for years. But there weren't enough students to justify keeping both sets of courses, so they kept IB science because they are required to as an IB school.

There are, some of the admin don’t support ap classes and are very vocal about it.

Not true, Einstein still offers AP classes in nearly every other department except for Science.

Why don’t they offer AP classes in science subjects? That is something to write to the superintendent about

As explained above, they offer IB classes in Science in lieu of AP. MCPS considers these comparable (yes, I know DCUM does not).

Many colleges don't consider them comparable either but sure, it's just crazy DCUM

Many colleges do consider them comparable too.

Oh cool, kids don't care where they go to college at all. Especially those at risk underprivileged kids, they should just be grateful for what they get.

Wait are we concerned that top colleges are turning down their noses at IB classes for admissions decisions? That seems difficult to believe.

+1
They want kids to take the most challenging classes available in a school. If a school only has IB science classes, those are the ones they will look to. They will not penalize kids for not taking AP classes when they are not offered.

Of course they will be. If they have two candidates, both equal but one has upper classes and the other doesn't, they will pick the one whose taken the classes and proven successful. It also helps to get that foundation in high school to be prepared for these classes in college. Why are you so against kids having these opportunities? If you are so against it, MCPS should remove it at all schools, especially the ones your kids go to.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

Central office is pulling programs out of the air; doesn't seem there is much rhyme or reason to many of them.

BCC already has an engineering program. They will attract students from other schools with it which will increase the staff allocation for BCC. Can't say the same for the Einstein biomedical program that doesn't exist and won't get any resources.

Both Whitman and BCC have engineering. That means Whitman students continue to have the same access they always had.

Northwood, Einstein, and Blair do not have engineering programs. DCC students who want engineering go to Wheaton, which is closer than BCC will be. Moreover, the DCC model allowed a few hundred non-Wheaton students per year to access the engineering program.

The new model will accept maybe 30 non-BCC students in the first few years. It seems like there won’t be limits on BCC students who want to sign up for engineering classes.

So basically, BCC and Whitman students will have unrestricted access to engineering, while 30 students from Blair, Einstein and Northwood will get into the program.

There’s no equity in this proposal and MCPS should stop pretending otherwise.

The Blair magnet has multiple engineering courses in that program, to which Blair Northwood and Einstein kids can access seats. So now you have three schools that were not available to you before but which are now available with engineering. We cannot locate all programs at Einstein, sorry.

First of all it's incredibly disingenuous to say Einstein kids "can access" seats at other schools. First they have to get into the program by lottery or by criteria and they also have to figure out the commute which not all schools can do.

Whitman and BCC have all the programs already. They have engineering, they have advanced math, they have advanced humanities. Every single student at these schools can access those programs, not just ones that win the lottery. To suggest Einstein families are asking for too much when Whitman and BCC already have everything is disgusting and offensive.

How about just having one AP physics class at
Einstein. Not asking for the three different AP physics classes that BCC and Whitman have that give their students an edge for admission to engineering programs. Just one. Am I being greedy?

The Einstein families posting on this Board looking for higher-level APs would do well to advocate for retiring in the local IB program there, which would clear the way to have more AP classes in lieu of IB classes.

Plenty of schools have IB programs and AP classes. Richard Montgomery and BCC do just fine.

They do, but Einstein is telling families there are not enough students to fill the AP courses. Also the demographics of those 3 schools are very different.

How can they possibly know this if they don't offer the courses in the first place?

And yes, Einstein serves a higher needs population than BCC or Whitman. It has larger percentages of students with IEPs, EMLs and students that receive FARMS. Yet it receives no extra funding to meet the needs of the FARMS students, even though MCPS gets extra funding from the state for every FARMS student. Of course, they are stretched thin.

If you want to constantly shriek that you are advancing equity, then actually try to advance equity. Don't make zero effort and then talk down to and shut down families and staff that complain.

Einstein did offer both AP and IB science courses for years. But there weren't enough students to justify keeping both sets of courses, so they kept IB science because they are required to as an IB school.

There are, some of the admin don’t support ap classes and are very vocal about it.

Not true, Einstein still offers AP classes in nearly every other department except for Science.

Why don’t they offer AP classes in science subjects? That is something to write to the superintendent about

As explained above, they offer IB classes in Science in lieu of AP. MCPS considers these comparable (yes, I know DCUM does not).

Many colleges don't consider them comparable either but sure, it's just crazy DCUM

Many colleges do consider them comparable too.

Oh cool, kids don't care where they go to college at all. Especially those at risk underprivileged kids, they should just be grateful for what they get.

Wait are we concerned that top colleges are turning down their noses at IB classes for admissions decisions? That seems difficult to believe.

+1
They want kids to take the most challenging classes available in a school. If a school only has IB science classes, those are the ones they will look to. They will not penalize kids for not taking AP classes when they are not offered.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

Central office is pulling programs out of the air; doesn't seem there is much rhyme or reason to many of them.

BCC already has an engineering program. They will attract students from other schools with it which will increase the staff allocation for BCC. Can't say the same for the Einstein biomedical program that doesn't exist and won't get any resources.

Both Whitman and BCC have engineering. That means Whitman students continue to have the same access they always had.

Northwood, Einstein, and Blair do not have engineering programs. DCC students who want engineering go to Wheaton, which is closer than BCC will be. Moreover, the DCC model allowed a few hundred non-Wheaton students per year to access the engineering program.

The new model will accept maybe 30 non-BCC students in the first few years. It seems like there won’t be limits on BCC students who want to sign up for engineering classes.

So basically, BCC and Whitman students will have unrestricted access to engineering, while 30 students from Blair, Einstein and Northwood will get into the program.

There’s no equity in this proposal and MCPS should stop pretending otherwise.

The Blair magnet has multiple engineering courses in that program, to which Blair Northwood and Einstein kids can access seats. So now you have three schools that were not available to you before but which are now available with engineering. We cannot locate all programs at Einstein, sorry.

First of all it's incredibly disingenuous to say Einstein kids "can access" seats at other schools. First they have to get into the program by lottery or by criteria and they also have to figure out the commute which not all schools can do.

Whitman and BCC have all the programs already. They have engineering, they have advanced math, they have advanced humanities. Every single student at these schools can access those programs, not just ones that win the lottery. To suggest Einstein families are asking for too much when Whitman and BCC already have everything is disgusting and offensive.

How about just having one AP physics class at
Einstein. Not asking for the three different AP physics classes that BCC and Whitman have that give their students an edge for admission to engineering programs. Just one. Am I being greedy?

The Einstein families posting on this Board looking for higher-level APs would do well to advocate for retiring in the local IB program there, which would clear the way to have more AP classes in lieu of IB classes.

Plenty of schools have IB programs and AP classes. Richard Montgomery and BCC do just fine.

They do, but Einstein is telling families there are not enough students to fill the AP courses. Also the demographics of those 3 schools are very different.

How can they possibly know this if they don't offer the courses in the first place?

And yes, Einstein serves a higher needs population than BCC or Whitman. It has larger percentages of students with IEPs, EMLs and students that receive FARMS. Yet it receives no extra funding to meet the needs of the FARMS students, even though MCPS gets extra funding from the state for every FARMS student. Of course, they are stretched thin.

If you want to constantly shriek that you are advancing equity, then actually try to advance equity. Don't make zero effort and then talk down to and shut down families and staff that complain.

Einstein did offer both AP and IB science courses for years. But there weren't enough students to justify keeping both sets of courses, so they kept IB science because they are required to as an IB school.

There are, some of the admin don’t support ap classes and are very vocal about it.

Not true, Einstein still offers AP classes in nearly every other department except for Science.

Why don’t they offer AP classes in science subjects? That is something to write to the superintendent about

As explained above, they offer IB classes in Science in lieu of AP. MCPS considers these comparable (yes, I know DCUM does not).

Many colleges don't consider them comparable either but sure, it's just crazy DCUM

Many colleges do consider them comparable too.

Oh cool, kids don't care where they go to college at all. Especially those at risk underprivileged kids, they should just be grateful for what they get.

Wait are we concerned that top colleges are turning down their noses at IB classes for admissions decisions? That seems difficult to believe.

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They want kids to take the most challenging classes available in a school. If a school only has IB science classes, those are the ones they will look to. They will not penalize kids for not taking AP classes when they are not offered.

Of course they will be. If they have two candidates, both equal but one has upper classes and the other doesn't, they will pick the one whose taken the classes and proven successful. It also helps to get that foundation in high school to be prepared for these classes in college. Why are you so against kids having these opportunities? If you are so against it, MCPS should remove it at all schools, especially the ones your kids go to.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

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Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

Central office is pulling programs out of the air; doesn't seem there is much rhyme or reason to many of them.

BCC already has an engineering program. They will attract students from other schools with it which will increase the staff allocation for BCC. Can't say the same for the Einstein biomedical program that doesn't exist and won't get any resources.

Both Whitman and BCC have engineering. That means Whitman students continue to have the same access they always had.

Northwood, Einstein, and Blair do not have engineering programs. DCC students who want engineering go to Wheaton, which is closer than BCC will be. Moreover, the DCC model allowed a few hundred non-Wheaton students per year to access the engineering program.

The new model will accept maybe 30 non-BCC students in the first few years. It seems like there won’t be limits on BCC students who want to sign up for engineering classes.

So basically, BCC and Whitman students will have unrestricted access to engineering, while 30 students from Blair, Einstein and Northwood will get into the program.

There’s no equity in this proposal and MCPS should stop pretending otherwise.

The Blair magnet has multiple engineering courses in that program, to which Blair Northwood and Einstein kids can access seats. So now you have three schools that were not available to you before but which are now available with engineering. We cannot locate all programs at Einstein, sorry.

First of all it's incredibly disingenuous to say Einstein kids "can access" seats at other schools. First they have to get into the program by lottery or by criteria and they also have to figure out the commute which not all schools can do.

Whitman and BCC have all the programs already. They have engineering, they have advanced math, they have advanced humanities. Every single student at these schools can access those programs, not just ones that win the lottery. To suggest Einstein families are asking for too much when Whitman and BCC already have everything is disgusting and offensive.

How about just having one AP physics class at
Einstein. Not asking for the three different AP physics classes that BCC and Whitman have that give their students an edge for admission to engineering programs. Just one. Am I being greedy?

The Einstein families posting on this Board looking for higher-level APs would do well to advocate for retiring in the local IB program there, which would clear the way to have more AP classes in lieu of IB classes.

Plenty of schools have IB programs and AP classes. Richard Montgomery and BCC do just fine.

They do, but Einstein is telling families there are not enough students to fill the AP courses. Also the demographics of those 3 schools are very different.

How can they possibly know this if they don't offer the courses in the first place?

And yes, Einstein serves a higher needs population than BCC or Whitman. It has larger percentages of students with IEPs, EMLs and students that receive FARMS. Yet it receives no extra funding to meet the needs of the FARMS students, even though MCPS gets extra funding from the state for every FARMS student. Of course, they are stretched thin.

If you want to constantly shriek that you are advancing equity, then actually try to advance equity. Don't make zero effort and then talk down to and shut down families and staff that complain.

Einstein did offer both AP and IB science courses for years. But there weren't enough students to justify keeping both sets of courses, so they kept IB science because they are required to as an IB school.

There are, some of the admin don’t support ap classes and are very vocal about it.

Not true, Einstein still offers AP classes in nearly every other department except for Science.

Why don’t they offer AP classes in science subjects? That is something to write to the superintendent about

As explained above, they offer IB classes in Science in lieu of AP. MCPS considers these comparable (yes, I know DCUM does not).

Many colleges don't consider them comparable either but sure, it's just crazy DCUM

Many colleges do consider them comparable too.

Oh cool, kids don't care where they go to college at all. Especially those at risk underprivileged kids, they should just be grateful for what they get.

Wait are we concerned that top colleges are turning down their noses at IB classes for admissions decisions? That seems difficult to believe.

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They want kids to take the most challenging classes available in a school. If a school only has IB science classes, those are the ones they will look to. They will not penalize kids for not taking AP classes when they are not offered.

Of course they will be. If they have two candidates, both equal but one has upper classes and the other doesn't, they will pick the one whose taken the classes and proven successful. It also helps to get that foundation in high school to be prepared for these classes in college. Why are you so against kids having these opportunities? If you are so against it, MCPS should remove it at all schools, especially the ones your kids go to.

There’s always going to be niche areas of specialization, but IB is an international standard. The alleged AP preference for admission goes contrary to any indication I can find on any Ivy League website.

I’m not against kids having opportunities I’m just skeptical that IB is such trash. I’d love for my kids to do IB. They are a bit younger and I don’t know which APs are offered at our local school.

If you have something concrete, please share.

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Some of you seem to think kids get into college and live happily ever after. As though it doesn't matter how prepared you are or how many credits you have to pay for. Jfc

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

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Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

Central office is pulling programs out of the air; doesn't seem there is much rhyme or reason to many of them.

BCC already has an engineering program. They will attract students from other schools with it which will increase the staff allocation for BCC. Can't say the same for the Einstein biomedical program that doesn't exist and won't get any resources.

Both Whitman and BCC have engineering. That means Whitman students continue to have the same access they always had.

Northwood, Einstein, and Blair do not have engineering programs. DCC students who want engineering go to Wheaton, which is closer than BCC will be. Moreover, the DCC model allowed a few hundred non-Wheaton students per year to access the engineering program.

The new model will accept maybe 30 non-BCC students in the first few years. It seems like there won’t be limits on BCC students who want to sign up for engineering classes.

So basically, BCC and Whitman students will have unrestricted access to engineering, while 30 students from Blair, Einstein and Northwood will get into the program.

There’s no equity in this proposal and MCPS should stop pretending otherwise.

The Blair magnet has multiple engineering courses in that program, to which Blair Northwood and Einstein kids can access seats. So now you have three schools that were not available to you before but which are now available with engineering. We cannot locate all programs at Einstein, sorry.

First of all it's incredibly disingenuous to say Einstein kids "can access" seats at other schools. First they have to get into the program by lottery or by criteria and they also have to figure out the commute which not all schools can do.

Whitman and BCC have all the programs already. They have engineering, they have advanced math, they have advanced humanities. Every single student at these schools can access those programs, not just ones that win the lottery. To suggest Einstein families are asking for too much when Whitman and BCC already have everything is disgusting and offensive.

How about just having one AP physics class at
Einstein. Not asking for the three different AP physics classes that BCC and Whitman have that give their students an edge for admission to engineering programs. Just one. Am I being greedy?

The Einstein families posting on this Board looking for higher-level APs would do well to advocate for retiring in the local IB program there, which would clear the way to have more AP classes in lieu of IB classes.

Plenty of schools have IB programs and AP classes. Richard Montgomery and BCC do just fine.

They do, but Einstein is telling families there are not enough students to fill the AP courses. Also the demographics of those 3 schools are very different.

How can they possibly know this if they don't offer the courses in the first place?

And yes, Einstein serves a higher needs population than BCC or Whitman. It has larger percentages of students with IEPs, EMLs and students that receive FARMS. Yet it receives no extra funding to meet the needs of the FARMS students, even though MCPS gets extra funding from the state for every FARMS student. Of course, they are stretched thin.

If you want to constantly shriek that you are advancing equity, then actually try to advance equity. Don't make zero effort and then talk down to and shut down families and staff that complain.

Einstein did offer both AP and IB science courses for years. But there weren't enough students to justify keeping both sets of courses, so they kept IB science because they are required to as an IB school.

There are, some of the admin don’t support ap classes and are very vocal about it.

Not true, Einstein still offers AP classes in nearly every other department except for Science.

Why don’t they offer AP classes in science subjects? That is something to write to the superintendent about

As explained above, they offer IB classes in Science in lieu of AP. MCPS considers these comparable (yes, I know DCUM does not).

Many colleges don't consider them comparable either but sure, it's just crazy DCUM

Many colleges do consider them comparable too.

Oh cool, kids don't care where they go to college at all. Especially those at risk underprivileged kids, they should just be grateful for what they get.

Wait are we concerned that top colleges are turning down their noses at IB classes for admissions decisions? That seems difficult to believe.

+1
They want kids to take the most challenging classes available in a school. If a school only has IB science classes, those are the ones they will look to. They will not penalize kids for not taking AP classes when they are not offered.

Of course they will be. If they have two candidates, both equal but one has upper classes and the other doesn't, they will pick the one whose taken the classes and proven successful. It also helps to get that foundation in high school to be prepared for these classes in college. Why are you so against kids having these opportunities? If you are so against it, MCPS should remove it at all schools, especially the ones your kids go to.

IB classes are "upper classes." They are not identical to AP, but colleges want students to take the highest level of courses available at their particular school. This has been stated by admissions officers and counselors over and over again.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

Central office is pulling programs out of the air; doesn't seem there is much rhyme or reason to many of them.

BCC already has an engineering program. They will attract students from other schools with it which will increase the staff allocation for BCC. Can't say the same for the Einstein biomedical program that doesn't exist and won't get any resources.

Both Whitman and BCC have engineering. That means Whitman students continue to have the same access they always had.

Northwood, Einstein, and Blair do not have engineering programs. DCC students who want engineering go to Wheaton, which is closer than BCC will be. Moreover, the DCC model allowed a few hundred non-Wheaton students per year to access the engineering program.

The new model will accept maybe 30 non-BCC students in the first few years. It seems like there won’t be limits on BCC students who want to sign up for engineering classes.

So basically, BCC and Whitman students will have unrestricted access to engineering, while 30 students from Blair, Einstein and Northwood will get into the program.

There’s no equity in this proposal and MCPS should stop pretending otherwise.

The Blair magnet has multiple engineering courses in that program, to which Blair Northwood and Einstein kids can access seats. So now you have three schools that were not available to you before but which are now available with engineering. We cannot locate all programs at Einstein, sorry.

First of all it's incredibly disingenuous to say Einstein kids "can access" seats at other schools. First they have to get into the program by lottery or by criteria and they also have to figure out the commute which not all schools can do.

Whitman and BCC have all the programs already. They have engineering, they have advanced math, they have advanced humanities. Every single student at these schools can access those programs, not just ones that win the lottery. To suggest Einstein families are asking for too much when Whitman and BCC already have everything is disgusting and offensive.

How about just having one AP physics class at
Einstein. Not asking for the three different AP physics classes that BCC and Whitman have that give their students an edge for admission to engineering programs. Just one. Am I being greedy?

The Einstein families posting on this Board looking for higher-level APs would do well to advocate for retiring in the local IB program there, which would clear the way to have more AP classes in lieu of IB classes.

Plenty of schools have IB programs and AP classes. Richard Montgomery and BCC do just fine.

They do, but Einstein is telling families there are not enough students to fill the AP courses. Also the demographics of those 3 schools are very different.

How can they possibly know this if they don't offer the courses in the first place?

And yes, Einstein serves a higher needs population than BCC or Whitman. It has larger percentages of students with IEPs, EMLs and students that receive FARMS. Yet it receives no extra funding to meet the needs of the FARMS students, even though MCPS gets extra funding from the state for every FARMS student. Of course, they are stretched thin.

If you want to constantly shriek that you are advancing equity, then actually try to advance equity. Don't make zero effort and then talk down to and shut down families and staff that complain.

Einstein did offer both AP and IB science courses for years. But there weren't enough students to justify keeping both sets of courses, so they kept IB science because they are required to as an IB school.

There are, some of the admin don’t support ap classes and are very vocal about it.

Not true, Einstein still offers AP classes in nearly every other department except for Science.

Why don’t they offer AP classes in science subjects? That is something to write to the superintendent about

As explained above, they offer IB classes in Science in lieu of AP. MCPS considers these comparable (yes, I know DCUM does not).

Many colleges don't consider them comparable either but sure, it's just crazy DCUM

Many colleges do consider them comparable too.

Oh cool, kids don't care where they go to college at all. Especially those at risk underprivileged kids, they should just be grateful for what they get.

Wait are we concerned that top colleges are turning down their noses at IB classes for admissions decisions? That seems difficult to believe.

+1
They want kids to take the most challenging classes available in a school. If a school only has IB science classes, those are the ones they will look to. They will not penalize kids for not taking AP classes when they are not offered.

Of course they will be. If they have two candidates, both equal but one has upper classes and the other doesn't, they will pick the one whose taken the classes and proven successful. It also helps to get that foundation in high school to be prepared for these classes in college. Why are you so against kids having these opportunities? If you are so against it, MCPS should remove it at all schools, especially the ones your kids go to.

There’s always going to be niche areas of specialization, but IB is an international standard. The alleged AP preference for admission goes contrary to any indication I can find on any Ivy League website.

I’m not against kids having opportunities I’m just skeptical that IB is such trash. I’d love for my kids to do IB. They are a bit younger and I don’t know which APs are offered at our local school.

If you have something concrete, please share.

IB physics is not calculus based. Please stop attacking people based on your own ignorance.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

Central office is pulling programs out of the air; doesn't seem there is much rhyme or reason to many of them.

BCC already has an engineering program. They will attract students from other schools with it which will increase the staff allocation for BCC. Can't say the same for the Einstein biomedical program that doesn't exist and won't get any resources.

Both Whitman and BCC have engineering. That means Whitman students continue to have the same access they always had.

Northwood, Einstein, and Blair do not have engineering programs. DCC students who want engineering go to Wheaton, which is closer than BCC will be. Moreover, the DCC model allowed a few hundred non-Wheaton students per year to access the engineering program.

The new model will accept maybe 30 non-BCC students in the first few years. It seems like there won’t be limits on BCC students who want to sign up for engineering classes.

So basically, BCC and Whitman students will have unrestricted access to engineering, while 30 students from Blair, Einstein and Northwood will get into the program.

There’s no equity in this proposal and MCPS should stop pretending otherwise.

The Blair magnet has multiple engineering courses in that program, to which Blair Northwood and Einstein kids can access seats. So now you have three schools that were not available to you before but which are now available with engineering. We cannot locate all programs at Einstein, sorry.

First of all it's incredibly disingenuous to say Einstein kids "can access" seats at other schools. First they have to get into the program by lottery or by criteria and they also have to figure out the commute which not all schools can do.

Whitman and BCC have all the programs already. They have engineering, they have advanced math, they have advanced humanities. Every single student at these schools can access those programs, not just ones that win the lottery. To suggest Einstein families are asking for too much when Whitman and BCC already have everything is disgusting and offensive.

How about just having one AP physics class at
Einstein. Not asking for the three different AP physics classes that BCC and Whitman have that give their students an edge for admission to engineering programs. Just one. Am I being greedy?

The Einstein families posting on this Board looking for higher-level APs would do well to advocate for retiring in the local IB program there, which would clear the way to have more AP classes in lieu of IB classes.

Plenty of schools have IB programs and AP classes. Richard Montgomery and BCC do just fine.

They do, but Einstein is telling families there are not enough students to fill the AP courses. Also the demographics of those 3 schools are very different.

How can they possibly know this if they don't offer the courses in the first place?

And yes, Einstein serves a higher needs population than BCC or Whitman. It has larger percentages of students with IEPs, EMLs and students that receive FARMS. Yet it receives no extra funding to meet the needs of the FARMS students, even though MCPS gets extra funding from the state for every FARMS student. Of course, they are stretched thin.

If you want to constantly shriek that you are advancing equity, then actually try to advance equity. Don't make zero effort and then talk down to and shut down families and staff that complain.

Einstein did offer both AP and IB science courses for years. But there weren't enough students to justify keeping both sets of courses, so they kept IB science because they are required to as an IB school.

There are, some of the admin don’t support ap classes and are very vocal about it.

Not true, Einstein still offers AP classes in nearly every other department except for Science.

Why don’t they offer AP classes in science subjects? That is something to write to the superintendent about

As explained above, they offer IB classes in Science in lieu of AP. MCPS considers these comparable (yes, I know DCUM does not).

Many colleges don't consider them comparable either but sure, it's just crazy DCUM

Many colleges do consider them comparable too.

Oh cool, kids don't care where they go to college at all. Especially those at risk underprivileged kids, they should just be grateful for what they get.

Wait are we concerned that top colleges are turning down their noses at IB classes for admissions decisions? That seems difficult to believe.

+1
They want kids to take the most challenging classes available in a school. If a school only has IB science classes, those are the ones they will look to. They will not penalize kids for not taking AP classes when they are not offered.

Of course they will be. If they have two candidates, both equal but one has upper classes and the other doesn't, they will pick the one whose taken the classes and proven successful. It also helps to get that foundation in high school to be prepared for these classes in college. Why are you so against kids having these opportunities? If you are so against it, MCPS should remove it at all schools, especially the ones your kids go to.

There’s always going to be niche areas of specialization, but IB is an international standard. The alleged AP preference for admission goes contrary to any indication I can find on any Ivy League website.

I’m not against kids having opportunities I’m just skeptical that IB is such trash. I’d love for my kids to do IB. They are a bit younger and I don’t know which APs are offered at our local school.

If you have something concrete, please share.

IB physics is not calculus based. Please stop attacking people based on your own ignorance.

Yes, my question was an attack…. 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

Central office is pulling programs out of the air; doesn't seem there is much rhyme or reason to many of them.

BCC already has an engineering program. They will attract students from other schools with it which will increase the staff allocation for BCC. Can't say the same for the Einstein biomedical program that doesn't exist and won't get any resources.

Both Whitman and BCC have engineering. That means Whitman students continue to have the same access they always had.

Northwood, Einstein, and Blair do not have engineering programs. DCC students who want engineering go to Wheaton, which is closer than BCC will be. Moreover, the DCC model allowed a few hundred non-Wheaton students per year to access the engineering program.

The new model will accept maybe 30 non-BCC students in the first few years. It seems like there won’t be limits on BCC students who want to sign up for engineering classes.

So basically, BCC and Whitman students will have unrestricted access to engineering, while 30 students from Blair, Einstein and Northwood will get into the program.

There’s no equity in this proposal and MCPS should stop pretending otherwise.

The Blair magnet has multiple engineering courses in that program, to which Blair Northwood and Einstein kids can access seats. So now you have three schools that were not available to you before but which are now available with engineering. We cannot locate all programs at Einstein, sorry.

First of all it's incredibly disingenuous to say Einstein kids "can access" seats at other schools. First they have to get into the program by lottery or by criteria and they also have to figure out the commute which not all schools can do.

Whitman and BCC have all the programs already. They have engineering, they have advanced math, they have advanced humanities. Every single student at these schools can access those programs, not just ones that win the lottery. To suggest Einstein families are asking for too much when Whitman and BCC already have everything is disgusting and offensive.

How about just having one AP physics class at
Einstein. Not asking for the three different AP physics classes that BCC and Whitman have that give their students an edge for admission to engineering programs. Just one. Am I being greedy?

The Einstein families posting on this Board looking for higher-level APs would do well to advocate for retiring in the local IB program there, which would clear the way to have more AP classes in lieu of IB classes.

Plenty of schools have IB programs and AP classes. Richard Montgomery and BCC do just fine.

They do, but Einstein is telling families there are not enough students to fill the AP courses. Also the demographics of those 3 schools are very different.

How can they possibly know this if they don't offer the courses in the first place?

And yes, Einstein serves a higher needs population than BCC or Whitman. It has larger percentages of students with IEPs, EMLs and students that receive FARMS. Yet it receives no extra funding to meet the needs of the FARMS students, even though MCPS gets extra funding from the state for every FARMS student. Of course, they are stretched thin.

If you want to constantly shriek that you are advancing equity, then actually try to advance equity. Don't make zero effort and then talk down to and shut down families and staff that complain.

Einstein did offer both AP and IB science courses for years. But there weren't enough students to justify keeping both sets of courses, so they kept IB science because they are required to as an IB school.

There are, some of the admin don’t support ap classes and are very vocal about it.

Not true, Einstein still offers AP classes in nearly every other department except for Science.

Why don’t they offer AP classes in science subjects? That is something to write to the superintendent about

As explained above, they offer IB classes in Science in lieu of AP. MCPS considers these comparable (yes, I know DCUM does not).

Many colleges don't consider them comparable either but sure, it's just crazy DCUM

Many colleges do consider them comparable too.

Oh cool, kids don't care where they go to college at all. Especially those at risk underprivileged kids, they should just be grateful for what they get.

Wait are we concerned that top colleges are turning down their noses at IB classes for admissions decisions? That seems difficult to believe.

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They want kids to take the most challenging classes available in a school. If a school only has IB science classes, those are the ones they will look to. They will not penalize kids for not taking AP classes when they are not offered.

Of course they will be. If they have two candidates, both equal but one has upper classes and the other doesn't, they will pick the one whose taken the classes and proven successful. It also helps to get that foundation in high school to be prepared for these classes in college. Why are you so against kids having these opportunities? If you are so against it, MCPS should remove it at all schools, especially the ones your kids go to.

There’s always going to be niche areas of specialization, but IB is an international standard. The alleged AP preference for admission goes contrary to any indication I can find on any Ivy League website.

I’m not against kids having opportunities I’m just skeptical that IB is such trash. I’d love for my kids to do IB. They are a bit younger and I don’t know which APs are offered at our local school.

If you have something concrete, please share.

IB physics is not calculus based. Please stop attacking people based on your own ignorance.

DP. The PP was correct and did not attack you or anyone else.