Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Just remember those of you whose kids play cya sports with Westfield and Chantilly kids. They may not be the ones that move to the new school.

This is what I don't get about the Oakton mom's sports arguments - younger kids play on CYA. All these kids are talking about how excited they are that they'll be in middle school together at Carson. Then Oakton moms are going to tear them apart where only Crossfield kids go to Oakton. It's a terrible idea and I'm so mad at the parents of teens for being so selfish and short sighted.

What are you talking about? Navy and Waples Mill kids play CYA sports...and they go to Oakton. The Crossfield vs. Navy Basketball game is one of the biggest events in the area mainly because all the students at both schools have been in CYA teams together.

Waples Mill kids play Vienna sports. Navy kids don't play sports, LOL! The Crossfield vs. Navy Basketball game is a fun event for 6th graders but it's interesting how it's been at South Lakes every year and not at Oakton, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's see. Put on your thinking cap.

Most of Crossfield is less than three miles from new school.
Most of Crossfield is around 10 miles from Oakton.

So, less than a ten minute bus ride compared to at least a 30 minute bus ride--likely more.
Oakton is at capacity and huge new construction is coming. So, facing a redistricting within a few short years.
Oakton is a good school.
New school will be a good school.

If you were in charge--without emotional attachments--what would you do?

Stay with Oakton since the new school is an unknown. No clue about the teachers, no clue about what after school activities are there as per today's meeting we don't know the number of students, and no clue about the student body itself and what needs it may have, and no clue if its AP or IB.

For me, both schools are equidistant time wise. No one is getting a 10 min ride to KAA unless they're the last stop on a bus route. And the 10 KAA buses they have are smaller than a regular FCPS bus.

WHAT are you talking about - 10 KAA busses? Nobody is using KAA busses, there will be at least 30 FCPS busses. It will be the same transportation-wise as Carson. We are the first stop on both the Carson and Oakton routes in the morning and it is 20 minutes to Carson and 45 to Oakton.

It's also a MUCH easier drive for high school students. I don't like the idea of having my high schooler take the highway or those windy roads down to Oakton when it's basically a straight shot and three traffic lights to get to KAA from most of Franklin Farm and the surrounding neighborhoods. Maybe an extra light if you live in Folkstone.

Also, from what I've heard in talking to teachers I know, these are going to be in demand jobs. A lot of teachers live in Prince William and Loudoun and this is a shorter commute, just off 28.

So many people commenting who weren't at the meeting.

Dr. Reid said that they bought the 10 KAA buses for $30k each which was a deal compared to $112k that the typically pay. Of course they may have more buses than that to service the school.

Guess what, my kid is the next to LAST bust stop for Carson and 3rd to last for Oakton and its the opposite experience...

I WAS at the meeting and it's laughable that you think those 10 KAA busses are going to be used to serve the high school and "maybe some more". Why are we even having this discussion? This isn't about school busses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's see. Put on your thinking cap.

Most of Crossfield is less than three miles from new school.
Most of Crossfield is around 10 miles from Oakton.

So, less than a ten minute bus ride compared to at least a 30 minute bus ride--likely more.
Oakton is at capacity and huge new construction is coming. So, facing a redistricting within a few short years.
Oakton is a good school.
New school will be a good school.

If you were in charge--without emotional attachments--what would you do?

Stay with Oakton since the new school is an unknown. No clue about the teachers, no clue about what after school activities are there as per today's meeting we don't know the number of students, and no clue about the student body itself and what needs it may have, and no clue if its AP or IB.

For me, both schools are equidistant time wise. No one is getting a 10 min ride to KAA unless they're the last stop on a bus route. And the 10 KAA buses they have are smaller than a regular FCPS bus.

WHAT are you talking about - 10 KAA busses? Nobody is using KAA busses, there will be at least 30 FCPS busses. It will be the same transportation-wise as Carson. We are the first stop on both the Carson and Oakton routes in the morning and it is 20 minutes to Carson and 45 to Oakton.

It's also a MUCH easier drive for high school students. I don't like the idea of having my high schooler take the highway or those windy roads down to Oakton when it's basically a straight shot and three traffic lights to get to KAA from most of Franklin Farm and the surrounding neighborhoods. Maybe an extra light if you live in Folkstone.

Also, from what I've heard in talking to teachers I know, these are going to be in demand jobs. A lot of teachers live in Prince William and Loudoun and this is a shorter commute, just off 28.

So many people commenting who weren't at the meeting.

Dr. Reid said that they bought the 10 KAA buses for $30k each which was a deal compared to $112k that the typically pay. Of course they may have more buses than that to service the school.

Guess what, my kid is the next to LAST bust stop for Carson and 3rd to last for Oakton and its the opposite experience...

I WAS at the meeting and it's laughable that you think those 10 KAA busses are going to be used to serve the high school and "maybe some more". Why are we even having this discussion? This isn't about school busses.

simply because you made the claim that they wouldnt be using KAA buses when dr reid said otherwise which makes all of your other contentions questionable

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Anonymous wrote:I just came on here to ask what influential person lives on Rounding Run or Nestlewood ? Was there bribery involved? Option D is a total joke and utterly ridiculous.

No, that part of the neighborhood goes to Navy which is going to go to Oakton. I think the better solution would be to send those 100 houses to Crossfield which is under capacity and then to Carson-Western, but for whatever reason they stay at Navy.

They should go to crossfield and Western. I thought that they were going to get moved out of Navy. It doesn't make sense for them to to go Navy since the houses just below them go to crossfield and those are technically closer to Navy. Most of these pro-Oakton parents should barely be affected as many of them have older kids anyway. As previously stated, they are a very loud and vocal group. The same group that made all the noise about the affordable housing that was supposed to be built, probably because they are a little racist and elitist.

Maybe because they were going to put an access road off their cul-de-sac had something to do with their objections? I don't find that racist or elitist. Cutting down tons of trees behind their houses? Causing more traffic on the small road by the day care centers?
And, yes, the plan did include putting an access road off a real cul-de-sac.

And, I don't live in Franklin Farm.

But, I'm trying to figure out this Navy cutout. I've mentioned before that Franklin Farm originally went to Oak Hill. Then, when Crossfield was built, this section lobbied to stay at Oak Hill. (I was told this by someone who was here at that time.)At that time, there was no FFX County Parkway and that area of Franklin Farm was very close to Oak Hill. Franklin Farm on the other side of the parkway is still at Oak Hill, so it likely was not a big deal for them to stay there.
Then, Oak Hill became crowded and they were sent to Navy. I'm not positive this is the whole story, but it makes sense. It no longer makes sense for them to be at Navy. I am also guessing that at that time, this area was the closest to Thompson Rd and could access Navy the back way.

I don't think the cut through road was entirely the reason, that was just one of their reasons. They just didn't want affordable housing within walking distance of them. It's a bit of a "not in my backyard mindset". The residents of Fair Oaks had to put up with new housing, so not sure why Franklin farm is special, but again, loud angry Karens and Chads that create complaint websites and post on all the forums. Rounding run/Nestlewood doesn't make sense to go to Navy. The road just south is Tuckaway, which connects to Thompson which leads to Navy. That neighborhood goes to Crossfield and is closer to Navy so it makes zero sense for Rounding Run/Nestlewood to go to Navy and I bet they would have jumped at the chance to go to x-field when the Navy teacher exodus happened.

Navy is overcrowded so it would be great to get rid of them.

Carson is overcrowded and they won't send this group to Carson if they switched them to Crossfield. They tried to do this years ago but the Navy island fought it because they would still be sent to Franklin and not with the other Crossfield kids to Carson. That was their story at the time but the assumption was they liked being at Navy. Probably not as much now that Navy is a mess and has been for years.

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Anonymous wrote:Just remember those of you whose kids play cya sports with Westfield and Chantilly kids. They may not be the ones that move to the new school.

This is what I don't get about the Oakton mom's sports arguments - younger kids play on CYA. All these kids are talking about how excited they are that they'll be in middle school together at Carson. Then Oakton moms are going to tear them apart where only Crossfield kids go to Oakton. It's a terrible idea and I'm so mad at the parents of teens for being so selfish and short sighted.

What are you talking about? Navy and Waples Mill kids play CYA sports...and they go to Oakton. The Crossfield vs. Navy Basketball game is one of the biggest events in the area mainly because all the students at both schools have been in CYA teams together.

Waples Mill kids play Vienna sports. Navy kids don't play sports, LOL! The Crossfield vs. Navy Basketball game is a fun event for 6th graders but it's interesting how it's been at South Lakes every year and not at Oakton, huh?

I'll be sure to tell the Waples kids at basketball that they are in the wrong place.

The game was moved during Oakton's renovation and as the game has grown in popularity, the gyms at Chantilly or South Lakes are much bigger.

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So what's going to happen to Centreville/Chantilly kids who are moving to KAA?

During the meeting, somebody asked if they would be able to opt in or choose not to go for the first two years, but I don't think Reid gave a clear answer, did she?

I just feel like Reid does not want to face hard questions and continues to delay the process to appease everyone by making KAA a semi-magnet school for the first two years.

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Anonymous wrote:So what's going to happen to Centreville/Chantilly kids who are moving to KAA?

During the meeting, somebody asked if they would be able to opt in or choose not to go for the first two years, but I don't think Reid gave a clear answer, did she?

I just feel like Reid does not want to face hard questions and continues to delay the process to appease everyone by making KAA a semi-magnet school for the first two years.

I meant Centreville/Chantilly kids who are moving to WESTFIELD*

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I don't think the Centreville neighborhoods even realize they are being moved.

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Anonymous wrote:So what's going to happen to Centreville/Chantilly kids who are moving to KAA?

During the meeting, somebody asked if they would be able to opt in or choose not to go for the first two years, but I don't think Reid gave a clear answer, did she?

I just feel like Reid does not want to face hard questions and continues to delay the process to appease everyone by making KAA a semi-magnet school for the first two years.

My guess is they wouldn’t get the same option as Western. They would fall under the grandfathering policy the board passed for the comprehensive boundary review. Current Freshman and up could stay at Centreville, but current 8th graders would go to Westfield or I guess they could opt in for Western.

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None of the above... the school doesn't have a full set of fields and interior layout doesn't lend itself to a traditional high school. Instead of spending TENS OF MILLIONS more to make it a traditional high school, house a variety of specialty and choice programs and academies (fine arts, AI and data science, aerospace, early childhood, IB, etc.). Attendance doesn't need to be limited exclusively to Western HS but obviously will be heavily slanted that way (can even reserve a minimum set of seats for other Western HS to ensure their capacity is addressed, though I think self-selection due to travel times will address this sufficiently).

This provides the needed capacity relief to western HS, expands and diversifies FCPS' program offerings, and kids can continue to play sports at their base schools if they want that experience on top of the specialty programming.

Turning this school into a traditional neighborhood school would be squandering a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:None of the above... the school doesn't have a full set of fields and interior layout doesn't lend itself to a traditional high school. Instead of spending TENS OF MILLIONS more to make it a traditional high school, house a variety of specialty and choice programs and academies (fine arts, AI and data science, aerospace, early childhood, IB, etc.). Attendance doesn't need to be limited exclusively to Western HS but obviously will be heavily slanted that way (can even reserve a minimum set of seats for other Western HS to ensure their capacity is addressed, though I think self-selection due to travel times will address this sufficiently).

This provides the needed capacity relief to western HS, expands and diversifies FCPS' program offerings, and kids can continue to play sports at their base schools if they want that experience on top of the specialty programming.

Turning this school into a traditional neighborhood school would be squandering a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for FCPS.

And your suggestion is condemning those nearby schools to constant overcrowding.

Get over it.

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Letting people opt in/out is a ridiculous idea and makes it impossible to plan resources for teaching, transportation, and capacity. That's why they put explicit wording eliminating the "phasing" option when a school is opened or closed in the new 1830 policy. Hopefully the school board puts their foot down and ignores Reid's pandering to the crowd on this.

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Anonymous wrote:Letting people opt in/out is a ridiculous idea and makes it impossible to plan resources for teaching, transportation, and capacity. That's why they put explicit wording eliminating the "phasing" option when a school is opened or closed in the new 1830 policy. Hopefully the school board puts their foot down and ignores Reid's pandering to the crowd on this.

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Anonymous wrote:Letting people opt in/out is a ridiculous idea and makes it impossible to plan resources for teaching, transportation, and capacity. That's why they put explicit wording eliminating the "phasing" option when a school is opened or closed in the new 1830 policy. Hopefully the school board puts their foot down and ignores Reid's pandering to the crowd on this.

DP, and agree 100%. Policy 8130 contemplates less phasing-in when a new school opens, not more, because the assumption is that you want to get a new high school up and running with at least two or three grades.

The menu of special accommodations for those in the areas to be assigned to the new Western HS just keeps growing, and it is absolutely pathetic. It also largely undercuts the rationale for buying KAA in the first place.

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Someone needs to keep Reid away from any additional boundary meetings.