What SHOULD Dems do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I jumped from first five to last five pages on this post. I just couldn't stomach anymore than that.

I've been off the DCUM Political Discussion threads for weeks because all I see is the continued extremist views.

The current administration is causing chaos - I don't agree with much of the way they are doing things, but the Democrats continue to refuse to be introspective and have a plan on what they "should" do based on an analysis of why they lost - doesn't matter how close it was it was still a loss.

I did see a post about how we need to normalize migrants and trans....

The continued focus on this is going to make me not want to vote at all in the next election. Democrats need to stop focusing on this type of identity politics.

Sure...legal immigration/migrant workers...are already supported and should be "normalized" - not illegal immigration. As for the trans issue....stop misusing the term "normalized", it may be "normal" to some, but it is not the "norm". And the push to make trans the "norm" for everyone isn't going to win my vote. Trans may be normal - I mean you do you, but it's not the "norm" and forcing it to be the "norm" is like placing a square peg into a round hole.

The more I see the actions of both sides...the more I want a third party. So if I vote I'll vote 3rd party next time. FWIW I voted for Harris last time.

Absolutely agree and I think most people are with you. DC is a bubble, which is dangerous for democrats. Policy makers and staffers are surrounded by a liberal echo chamber and out of touch. I’m a west coast Democrat and even WE aren’t this liberal! We have voted out our silly politicians that went too far left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Impeach, remove from office ... That's it. The president is not faithfully executing our laws -- the highest crime imaginable. That's the message the opposition needs to have from now until the midterms. Win a majority in house. 67 votes in the senate. Don't care if all think it's impossible. Make that the singular goal. Make it the only topic. Our nation does great at simple things. He does xyz, fine, ok, let's impeach him and remove him from office. Nothing else matters. That on repeat for the next 18 months. Rally everyone against him or what he does around this singular goal.

Impeach? This is the type of unhinged “win at any cost” attitude that put the Dems on the sidelines. Try coming up with better ideas that actually help the American people, then sell those ideas to the voters, earn their votes, and then implement the ideas. Very simple.

Trump, like him or not, campaigned on an America first platform, which the majority of the American public supports, and he is effectively implementing that platform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Impeach, remove from office ... That's it. The president is not faithfully executing our laws -- the highest crime imaginable. That's the message the opposition needs to have from now until the midterms. Win a majority in house. 67 votes in the senate. Don't care if all think it's impossible. Make that the singular goal. Make it the only topic. Our nation does great at simple things. He does xyz, fine, ok, let's impeach him and remove him from office. Nothing else matters. That on repeat for the next 18 months. Rally everyone against him or what he does around this singular goal.

Impeach? This is the type of unhinged “win at any cost” attitude that put the Dems on the sidelines. Try coming up with better ideas that actually help the American people, then sell those ideas to the voters, earn their votes, and then implement the ideas. Very simple.

Trump, like him or not, campaigned on an America first platform, which the majority of the American public supports, and he is effectively implementing that platform.

Nope, he campaigned on vindictiveness and cruelty (and getting people to he'd be like Trump 1 where he was somewhat reined in by his own side) and now unencumbered he's in the process he's shredding our system of checks and balances. A strong response/message is necessary by the opposition, similar to how strong he was in saying he'd do what he'd do. Opposition has to learn from him what works well ... That's simple and direct -- also within our traditions. He's not upholding our laws and going rogue. Fire the prez.

[Anonymous]

This is an amazing time to be a Republican. Dems have self-destructed and still din’t know it. In fact, they can’t even stop making wit worse every day! Any ambitious kid coming out of college right now will likely choose the ascendant Republicans Party. Opportunities for Dems are shrinking. .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is an amazing time to be a Republican. Dems have self-destructed and still din’t know it. In fact, they can’t even stop making wit worse every day! Any ambitious kid coming out of college right now will likely choose the ascendant Republicans Party. Opportunities for Dems are shrinking. .

Sure, it's because one side is extorting it's way to get what it wants -- see federal research funding, for example. That power grab won't stop, tho, if institutions give in and courts agree. Up next: executive orders on marijuana and abortion. So, yeah, the GOP will be the only game in town but what a Pottersville it will be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Impeach, remove from office ... That's it. The president is not faithfully executing our laws -- the highest crime imaginable. That's the message the opposition needs to have from now until the midterms. Win a majority in house. 67 votes in the senate. Don't care if all think it's impossible. Make that the singular goal. Make it the only topic. Our nation does great at simple things. He does xyz, fine, ok, let's impeach him and remove him from office. Nothing else matters. That on repeat for the next 18 months. Rally everyone against him or what he does around this singular goal.

Impeach? This is the type of unhinged “win at any cost” attitude that put the Dems on the sidelines. Try coming up with better ideas that actually help the American people, then sell those ideas to the voters, earn their votes, and then implement the ideas. Very simple.

Trump, like him or not, campaigned on an America first platform, which the majority of the American public supports, and he is effectively implementing that platform.

Nope, he campaigned on vindictiveness and cruelty (and getting people to he'd be like Trump 1 where he was somewhat reined in by his own side) and now unencumbered he's in the process he's shredding our system of checks and balances. A strong response/message is necessary by the opposition, similar to how strong he was in saying he'd do what he'd do. Opposition has to learn from him what works well ... That's simple and direct -- also within our traditions. He's not upholding our laws and going rogue. Fire the prez.

The only way to fire the Prez is to beat the Prez in an election. But as the Transgenderism Party, we’re unlikely to win popularity contests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is an amazing time to be a Republican. Dems have self-destructed and still din’t know it. In fact, they can’t even stop making wit worse every day! Any ambitious kid coming out of college right now will likely choose the ascendant Republicans Party. Opportunities for Dems are shrinking. .

Sure, it's because one side is extorting it's way to get what it wants -- see federal research funding, for example. That power grab won't stop, tho, if institutions give in and courts agree. Up next: executive orders on marijuana and abortion. So, yeah, the GOP will be the only game in town but what a Pottersville it will be.

I wish Dems would try to win, but we are too busy virtue signaling and holiness spiraling. We’re the “Trump is bad, migrants and trans folks are good” party. We like it that way, but we’re not going to win a lot of elections, unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously gops can act like they care about the economy in a better way, and dems cannot persuade people they care about the economy even though they do better according to historical data. Dems need to figure out a way how to present themselves

The challenge is that Dems simultaneously believe they want to help the working class so much more than Reoublicans do but also Dems want working class red staters to die off as wuickly as possible. They are counterrevolutionary wreckers

Oh come on. I don't want working class red staters to die off. I want the GOP elites to stop lying to them and brainwashing them. "illegal Haitians are eating cats and dogs" and "they are kidnapping kids in schools and secretly giving them sex change operations" and "unqualified black lesbian amputee dwarf DEI hires are stealing jobs and promotions from far more qualified white males" and "the deep state" and "Musk exposed the corruption of Biden's administration spending billions of dollars on transexual mouse studies and condoms for Gaza" and "Social security is bankrupt" and "covid is a hoax and the vaccines killed millions" and all that.

Did you read this? It comes from Bloomberg.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/




“The year after Black Lives Matter protests, the S&P 100 added more than 300,000 jobs — 94% went to people of color. Published: September 25, 2023”

Does 94% seem high to you?

Tell us what the article said?
Headlines are meaningless. Why you ask? Let me tell you

• It doesn’t say what those jobs where
• It doesn’t tell where they were located
• It doesn’t indicated what type of experience was required
• It doesn’t tell anything about the racial makeup of who applied

These things matter because we might want to know how many of these jobs required one to pick and plant fruits and vegetables, we might want to know how many paid minimum wage and what that wage was, etc etc.

It tells more than you think.
But the real story is further down:
For years, companies have blamed the lack of a sufficient recruiting pipeline for why their workplaces don’t reflect the country’s racial and ethnic makeup. White men tend to disproportionately hold the highest-paying roles, and hiring managers have long said that qualified candidates from other backgrounds for elite jobs were few and far between. The latest findings show that when under pressure to hire and promote qualified diverse talent, organizations find a way to do it.

But even such big one-time gains — and losses — represent a relatively small slice of the full picture. The share of executive, managerial and professional roles held by people of color increased by about 2 percentage points compared with 2020. That still leaves most companies in our dataset lopsided, with White people holding a disproportionate share of high-paying jobs at S&P 100 companies.

I doubt similar hiring disproportion happened at medium size companies and small businesses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This is an amazing time to be a Republican. Dems have self-destructed and still din’t know it. In fact, they can’t even stop making wit worse every day! Any ambitious kid coming out of college right now will likely choose the ascendant Republicans Party. Opportunities for Dems are shrinking. .

Sure, it's because one side is extorting it's way to get what it wants -- see federal research funding, for example. That power grab won't stop, tho, if institutions give in and courts agree. Up next: executive orders on marijuana and abortion. So, yeah, the GOP will be the only game in town but what a Pottersville it will be.

I wish Dems would try to win, but we are too busy virtue signaling and holiness spiraling. We’re the “Trump is bad, migrants and trans folks are good” party. We like it that way, but we’re not going to win a lot of elections, unfortunately.

They need better messaging. What they are for is protecting our constitution and rule of law, the bill of rights and so on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This is an amazing time to be a Republican. Dems have self-destructed and still din’t know it. In fact, they can’t even stop making wit worse every day! Any ambitious kid coming out of college right now will likely choose the ascendant Republicans Party. Opportunities for Dems are shrinking. .

Sure, it's because one side is extorting it's way to get what it wants -- see federal research funding, for example. That power grab won't stop, tho, if institutions give in and courts agree. Up next: executive orders on marijuana and abortion. So, yeah, the GOP will be the only game in town but what a Pottersville it will be.

I wish Dems would try to win, but we are too busy virtue signaling and holiness spiraling. We’re the “Trump is bad, migrants and trans folks are good” party. We like it that way, but we’re not going to win a lot of elections, unfortunately.

They need better messaging. What they are for is protecting our constitution and rule of law, the bill of rights and so on.

Lol. Dems need to ask swing w what they want and give it to them. Constantly asserting our nobility has backfired badly. No-one wants to be gaslit about how good Dems are on the Bill of Rights! Ha! Speech, guns, religion, privacy.’etc. Not Dem strong suits!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here it is Dems! The painful truth.

What Democrats should do is apologize.

The voters DO want servant leaders who care more about what THEY want than what WE believe.

The voters do NOT want know-it-alls, snobs, or leaders who resent voters for daring to choose the other party once in a while.

The customer is always right. We can either cling to our belief that WE are always right and the customers are wrong, or we can apologize for our past failures to give the customers what they want, apologize for disrespecting the customers, change our offerings, and try to earn back their business.

If we can’t even apologize, then they know we don’t intend to respect their wishes over our own beliefs going forward either.

Here is just a partial list of what swing voters and flyover state viters want us to apologize for:

1) Covid overreach. I know, I know, we f**king love science and the voters are stupid. It doesn’t matter. The voters reject our belief that we helped against Covid, and they are furious about forced masking of children, school closures, and forced injections on penalty of job loss. They were also very shaken by what they saw as our totalitarian streak. A lot of us were very cruel to neighbors and even family members. I know it will be very difficult psychologically for us to admit any fault here. We were on the right side of this, our intentions were good, etc. But so far basically none of us have said sorry to anyone for any of this. If we want swing voters back, we have to say sorry.

2) Illegal Immigration

3) Using affirmative action to harm white workers

4) LGBTQIA+ education in elementary schools. (I agree, it’s a good thing. It teaches kids tolerance. Rs make too big a deal of it. But remember, they are the customers. If we’re the “force unpopular things down your throat Party,” they won’t vote for us. We went too far (for THEIR liking), and for that, we should apologize

5) Inflation. Yes it was Covid, the Fed, and Trump’s fault too. But our team printed and borrowed and spent too much money.

6) Calling voters stupid racists

Think about it. We win’t like this prescription, but without it we can’t get the votes back

You lost me at your covid rant. Absolutely ridiculous. Trump was potus. He did nothing but divide, lie, and fear monger. He threw away Obama’s pandemic playbook. He shamelessly spread misinformation. The streets were lined with refrigerated trucks full of bodies. There were mass graves. He suggested injecting bleach- prompting disinfectant companies to put a warning on their products. When he got covid, he got the care and treatment he denied others. He ridiculed people for wearing masks. I could go on for hours about all the ways he fckd up the pandemic response.

When people blame Fauci and democrats for shutting things down, wearing masks, social distancing, why isn’t there any acknowledgment that this was consistent with the rest of the world?

Im a teacher. In general, kids were not that upset about wearing masks. We offered spots they could go to for mask breaks. They never took us up on it. They loved our hybrid schedule and the bond they formed as a small group. Over half of my class chose to continue wearing a mask when it was optional. I am not saying the pandemic did not cause trauma or have negative effects. It did. Of course it did. Pandemics tend to do that. But the masks were not that big of a deal. The only students I had who complained about it were kids with maga parents and they were obviously repeating what their parents said. In fact, during times when lots of kids are out with flu or covid, my students still suggest that we all wear masks until everyone gets better.

I got off-topic from the point of this thread, but it just really pissed me off that you think democrats should apologize for covid.

[Anonymous]

Do you all remember when the right to burn the flag was a huge election issue? How about rap lyrics and Sister Souljah in 1992? Probably don’t ring a bell if you’re younger than fifty. Trans rights are basically the same- a single-election scare tactic that generates heat for a few years and then gets drowned out by real issues. And the only two “real” issues that have mattered in recent elections are the economy and war,

Rather than hand wringing over social issues Democrats should listen to James Carville: it’s the economy, stupid. Focus on that, and the damage Republicans are doing to our savings accounts, and just remain mum on the hot button stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you all remember when the right to burn the flag was a huge election issue? How about rap lyrics and Sister Souljah in 1992? Probably don’t ring a bell if you’re younger than fifty. Trans rights are basically the same- a single-election scare tactic that generates heat for a few years and then gets drowned out by real issues. And the only two “real” issues that have mattered in recent elections are the economy and war,

Rather than hand wringing over social issues Democrats should listen to James Carville: it’s the economy, stupid. Focus on that, and the damage Republicans are doing to our savings accounts, and just remain mum on the hot button stuff.

Except for the fact it’s the Republicans who continually bring up the other stuff and lie when confronted about real issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Obviously gops can act like they care about the economy in a better way, and dems cannot persuade people they care about the economy even though they do better according to historical data. Dems need to figure out a way how to present themselves

The challenge is that Dems simultaneously believe they want to help the working class so much more than Reoublicans do but also Dems want working class red staters to die off as wuickly as possible. They are counterrevolutionary wreckers

Oh come on. I don't want working class red staters to die off. I want the GOP elites to stop lying to them and brainwashing them. "illegal Haitians are eating cats and dogs" and "they are kidnapping kids in schools and secretly giving them sex change operations" and "unqualified black lesbian amputee dwarf DEI hires are stealing jobs and promotions from far more qualified white males" and "the deep state" and "Musk exposed the corruption of Biden's administration spending billions of dollars on transexual mouse studies and condoms for Gaza" and "Social security is bankrupt" and "covid is a hoax and the vaccines killed millions" and all that.

Did you read this? It comes from Bloomberg.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/




“The year after Black Lives Matter protests, the S&P 100 added more than 300,000 jobs — 94% went to people of color. Published: September 25, 2023”

Does 94% seem high to you?

Tell us what the article said?
Headlines are meaningless. Why you ask? Let me tell you

• It doesn’t say what those jobs where
• It doesn’t tell where they were located
• It doesn’t indicated what type of experience was required
• It doesn’t tell anything about the racial makeup of who applied

These things matter because we might want to know how many of these jobs required one to pick and plant fruits and vegetables, we might want to know how many paid minimum wage and what that wage was, etc etc.

It tells more than you think.
But the real story is further down:
For years, companies have blamed the lack of a sufficient recruiting pipeline for why their workplaces don’t reflect the country’s racial and ethnic makeup. White men tend to disproportionately hold the highest-paying roles, and hiring managers have long said that qualified candidates from other backgrounds for elite jobs were few and far between. The latest findings show that when under pressure to hire and promote qualified diverse talent, organizations find a way to do it.

But even such big one-time gains — and losses — represent a relatively small slice of the full picture. The share of executive, managerial and professional roles held by people of color increased by about 2 percentage points compared with 2020. That still leaves most companies in our dataset lopsided, with White people holding a disproportionate share of high-paying jobs at S&P 100 companies.

I doubt similar hiring disproportion happened at medium size companies and small businesses.

So you’ve proved my point that the headline alone is sensational and doesn’t tell the full story. The details like the one I bulleted are really important and why the original question of “Does 94% seem high to you?” meant to align with the idea about DEI breeding discrimination are not valid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you all remember when the right to burn the flag was a huge election issue? How about rap lyrics and Sister Souljah in 1992? Probably don’t ring a bell if you’re younger than fifty. Trans rights are basically the same- a single-election scare tactic that generates heat for a few years and then gets drowned out by real issues. And the only two “real” issues that have mattered in recent elections are the economy and war,

Rather than hand wringing over social issues Democrats should listen to James Carville: it’s the economy, stupid. Focus on that, and the damage Republicans are doing to our savings accounts, and just remain mum on the hot button stuff.

We ARE remaining mum. It’s Republicans who won’t shut up about our trans folk policies!