RTO EO is up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our agency hasn’t given us any guidance but we don’t have room for everyone. What are people doing - starting to go in every day even without any instructions? Or just waiting to hear from management and continuing to telework?

The latter. I spoke with a colleague who has been going in since a few months after the pandemic started and he informed me no change in who has already been coming in on a Tuesday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

They’ll report to work at the office 5 days a week. They’re all talk and no balls. They will comply.

The ones who don’t want to deal with it and have other options will quietly move on, one way or another. It’s the loudest opposers who are the quickest to comply bc they know they lack other options.

[Anonymous]

What happens to people who are fully remote - in remote approved positions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What happens to people who are fully remote - in remote approved positions?

They will get a notice that they will have to return by X date or resign. The agency may or may not pay for relocation expenses.

[Anonymous]

What’s funny to me is the administration is also interested in moving federal jobs out of DC. Wouldn’t remote work help you accomplish this with the astronomical cost of office space and infrastructure in a new state where the agency does already have a field office?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s funny to me is the administration is also interested in moving federal jobs out of DC. Wouldn’t remote work help you accomplish this with the astronomical cost of office space and infrastructure in a new state where the agency does already have a field office?

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It take minutes to turn off somebody's connection to the network, so I don't think much of PP's plan. But it's not fraud if they don't lie and I'm not sure why people keep using the phrase time card fraud. AWOL, perhaps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

You will be out very quickly under failure to follow instructions. 3-6 months tops.

Dream on. You have no idea how hard it is to fire someone in my position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

You will be out very quickly under failure to follow instructions. 3-6 months tops.

Dream on. You have no idea how hard it is to fire someone in my position.

It is inherently difficult to fire feds but not because you or your position is so important.

Np

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

You will be out very quickly under failure to follow instructions. 3-6 months tops.

Dream on. You have no idea how hard it is to fire someone in my position.

DP. While it is relatively hard to fire someone for job performance, it is easy to fire someone for conduct. And it can happen quickly, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I’m told to RTO 5 days a week I will go in 2 days a week and wait for any repercussions. Good luck trying to fire me before 2028.

Me too. I go in 2 days now and will continue to do so until I’m fired.

To be fair, no orders have been issued just yet. I need to know what my agency heads want me to do. For now I will follow my current telework agreement.

But pp if you are told to go in 5 days and only go in 2, that’s time card fraud and insubordination. You can easily be fired. Is it worth your job?

It’s not “time card fraud” (whatever that is in the context of a professional workplace with no timecards) if you are working.

All federal workers definitely have time cards (even if you don’t know it, not all make you verify but that is how the system works) and yes it would be time card fraud because your time card would list your duty station as the office and you wouldn’t be there

Why do you keep assuming people wouldn't put down situational telework on their timesheets?

If people refuse to come in, that's still a conduct issue that you can be fired for, but it isn't time sheet fraud.