UVA info session today said “most rigorous in ALL 5 core subjects.”

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Anonymous wrote:Related Q: would you submit scores for a 1400 SAT in-state kid (from NOVA) or go select test optional? Not URM, no hook, one parent went to UVA (so answering the supplemental Q). Meets this threads academic rigor requirement with APs in all 5 areas (4s or 5s on APs taken to date).

good question!

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Anonymous wrote:If UVA is this full of rigor box-checking strivers, I'm glad my OOS kid wasn't interested. However, I realize that isn't accurate, as many many students at UVA did not, in fact, have top rigor in all 5 subjects, as several posts early in the thread attest to.

All of the top schools want to see resumes like this. UVA has become one of them at 24 in the nation and top 3/4 of all the publics. My kid applied there and to elite slacs and ivies. They all want to see these qualities: have taken the most difficult courses offered; taken four tears of foreign language, top scores, top ECs, ranked high in the class. They all do

Sure, they want to see this. However, it's neither necessary nor sufficient for admission to T25s.

My kid is at a T10. Did not have top rigor in two of the five cores. Did have other things.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this thread pop up and every time I can't help but think who the hell does UVA think they are? You are a state school in a podunk town with a mediocre football team - basically a virgin who can't drive. AP's in all five or you're not good enough for us? Ok! I will make my way to all of the other amazing state schools in VA and not even apply to your boring, overrated school. Sit and spin, UVA.

You have to be a kid. Have a hard time imagining an adult taking their time to write this. Appreciate the amusement though.

Come on. No one has said "sit and spin" since the 80's. I'm obviously Gen-X. With a really smart kid, accomplished kid who couldn't care less about UVA. I'm just saying...there are some very twisted pairs of undies out there for a school that is not all that. Does Harvard deserve a wedgie? Probably. Yale? Likely. UVA? Absolutely not.

And one more thing...if you live in Virginia, your tax dollars are supporting UVA. Every kid should have a shot at being accepted at a state school their tax dollars support. Even the ones who don't take five AP's and get all A's at the risk of losing their sanity. What about the kid who made wise choices about their course load because they love their sport and they work part-time and value being a human being on the weekends instead of spending hours and hours on homework, test prep, tutoring? That kid is trash to UVA. Think about it.

If that kid is so desirous of attending UVA but unwilling to put in the necessary effort in HS, they can go to their community college for two years, get good grades and apply as a transfer student.

You're missing the point. Why is this crazy criteria the necessary effort for UVA? As previously noted, there are elite colleges (i.e., MIT) that have more reasonable admissions criteria. I'm not sure what UVA is trying to prove by being so sadistic. And I find it hard to believe that you can only be successful at UVA if you practically kill yourself with academics in high school.

MIT is private with a hige admissions office to process applications and can do what it wants and doesn't publish the criteria as UVA but wants the very top students too! UVA is public with a limited admussions office and still processes 50k applications a year. It needs to be more transparent because it is a public and reports to SCHEV. Virginua schools are very transparent which is much better than UCLA's "who the hell knows". and there arenany other options to public in VA. There is only ine MIT. apples and oranges. UVA has a public mission

You're right - UVA isn't a private institution. They are public, and they seem to be making it incredibly hard to get accepted for no particular reason. Make it exclusive by all means! But there are other measures of potential success besides all AP's and straight A's. But it's fine - let's see what happens when they cram their school with stressed out kids who are barely holding on to their mental health.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this thread pop up and every time I can't help but think who the hell does UVA think they are? You are a state school in a podunk town with a mediocre football team - basically a virgin who can't drive. AP's in all five or you're not good enough for us? Ok! I will make my way to all of the other amazing state schools in VA and not even apply to your boring, overrated school. Sit and spin, UVA.

You have to be a kid. Have a hard time imagining an adult taking their time to write this. Appreciate the amusement though.

Come on. No one has said "sit and spin" since the 80's. I'm obviously Gen-X. With a really smart kid, accomplished kid who couldn't care less about UVA. I'm just saying...there are some very twisted pairs of undies out there for a school that is not all that. Does Harvard deserve a wedgie? Probably. Yale? Likely. UVA? Absolutely not.

And one more thing...if you live in Virginia, your tax dollars are supporting UVA. Every kid should have a shot at being accepted at a state school their tax dollars support. Even the ones who don't take five AP's and get all A's at the risk of losing their sanity. What about the kid who made wise choices about their course load because they love their sport and they work part-time and value being a human being on the weekends instead of spending hours and hours on homework, test prep, tutoring? That kid is trash to UVA. Think about it.

If that kid is so desirous of attending UVA but unwilling to put in the necessary effort in HS, they can go to their community college for two years, get good grades and apply as a transfer student.

You're missing the point. Why is this crazy criteria the necessary effort for UVA? As previously noted, there are elite colleges (i.e., MIT) that have more reasonable admissions criteria. I'm not sure what UVA is trying to prove by being so sadistic. And I find it hard to believe that you can only be successful at UVA if you practically kill yourself with academics in high school.

MIT is private with a hige admissions office to process applications and can do what it wants and doesn't publish the criteria as UVA but wants the very top students too! UVA is public with a limited admussions office and still processes 50k applications a year. It needs to be more transparent because it is a public and reports to SCHEV. Virginua schools are very transparent which is much better than UCLA's "who the hell knows". and there arenany other options to public in VA. There is only ine MIT. apples and oranges. UVA has a public mission

You're right - UVA isn't a private institution. They are public, and they seem to be making it incredibly hard to get accepted for no particular reason. Make it exclusive by all means! But there are other measures of potential success besides all AP's and straight A's. But it's fine - let's see what happens when they cram their school with stressed out kids who are barely holding on to their mental health.

+1. They may reap what they sow.

Personally, I think it's bluffing, as so many are accepted without top rigor in all 5 cores.

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Anonymous wrote:You're right - UVA isn't a private institution. They are public, and they seem to be making it incredibly hard to get accepted for no particular reason. Make it exclusive by all means! But there are other measures of potential success besides all AP's and straight A's. But it's fine - let's see what happens when they cram their school with stressed out kids who are barely holding on to their mental health.

UVA and other schools with thousands more applications than seats are going to accept the best of the applications they get. People have make it more competitive by trying to one-up the other kids. You hear about a kid who took 6 APs and you take 7. Throw in the College Board creating new APs every year so the number goes up and up. AP Precalculus now?

The call is coming from inside the house!

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this thread pop up and every time I can't help but think who the hell does UVA think they are? You are a state school in a podunk town with a mediocre football team - basically a virgin who can't drive. AP's in all five or you're not good enough for us? Ok! I will make my way to all of the other amazing state schools in VA and not even apply to your boring, overrated school. Sit and spin, UVA.

You have to be a kid. Have a hard time imagining an adult taking their time to write this. Appreciate the amusement though.

Come on. No one has said "sit and spin" since the 80's. I'm obviously Gen-X. With a really smart kid, accomplished kid who couldn't care less about UVA. I'm just saying...there are some very twisted pairs of undies out there for a school that is not all that. Does Harvard deserve a wedgie? Probably. Yale? Likely. UVA? Absolutely not.

And one more thing...if you live in Virginia, your tax dollars are supporting UVA. Every kid should have a shot at being accepted at a state school their tax dollars support. Even the ones who don't take five AP's and get all A's at the risk of losing their sanity. What about the kid who made wise choices about their course load because they love their sport and they work part-time and value being a human being on the weekends instead of spending hours and hours on homework, test prep, tutoring? That kid is trash to UVA. Think about it.

If that kid is so desirous of attending UVA but unwilling to put in the necessary effort in HS, they can go to their community college for two years, get good grades and apply as a transfer student.

You're missing the point. Why is this crazy criteria the necessary effort for UVA? As previously noted, there are elite colleges (i.e., MIT) that have more reasonable admissions criteria. I'm not sure what UVA is trying to prove by being so sadistic. And I find it hard to believe that you can only be successful at UVA if you practically kill yourself with academics in high school.

MIT is private with a hige admissions office to process applications and can do what it wants and doesn't publish the criteria as UVA but wants the very top students too! UVA is public with a limited admussions office and still processes 50k applications a year. It needs to be more transparent because it is a public and reports to SCHEV. Virginua schools are very transparent which is much better than UCLA's "who the hell knows". and there arenany other options to public in VA. There is only ine MIT. apples and oranges. UVA has a public mission

You're right - UVA isn't a private institution. They are public, and they seem to be making it incredibly hard to get accepted for no particular reason. Make it exclusive by all means! But there are other measures of potential success besides all AP's and straight A's. But it's fine - let's see what happens when they cram their school with stressed out kids who are barely holding on to their mental health.

+1. They may reap what they sow.

Personally, I think it's bluffing, as so many are accepted without top rigor in all 5 cores.

Is this the same person replying to their own replies? Some of you people are beyond odd.

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Anonymous wrote:You're right - UVA isn't a private institution. They are public, and they seem to be making it incredibly hard to get accepted for no particular reason. Make it exclusive by all means! But there are other measures of potential success besides all AP's and straight A's. But it's fine - let's see what happens when they cram their school with stressed out kids who are barely holding on to their mental health.

UVA and other schools with thousands more applications than seats are going to accept the best of the applications they get. People have make it more competitive by trying to one-up the other kids. You hear about a kid who took 6 APs and you take 7. Throw in the College Board creating new APs every year so the number goes up and up. AP Precalculus now?

The call is coming from inside the house!

This is a good point.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this thread pop up and every time I can't help but think who the hell does UVA think they are? You are a state school in a podunk town with a mediocre football team - basically a virgin who can't drive. AP's in all five or you're not good enough for us? Ok! I will make my way to all of the other amazing state schools in VA and not even apply to your boring, overrated school. Sit and spin, UVA.

You have to be a kid. Have a hard time imagining an adult taking their time to write this. Appreciate the amusement though.

Come on. No one has said "sit and spin" since the 80's. I'm obviously Gen-X. With a really smart kid, accomplished kid who couldn't care less about UVA. I'm just saying...there are some very twisted pairs of undies out there for a school that is not all that. Does Harvard deserve a wedgie? Probably. Yale? Likely. UVA? Absolutely not.

And one more thing...if you live in Virginia, your tax dollars are supporting UVA. Every kid should have a shot at being accepted at a state school their tax dollars support. Even the ones who don't take five AP's and get all A's at the risk of losing their sanity. What about the kid who made wise choices about their course load because they love their sport and they work part-time and value being a human being on the weekends instead of spending hours and hours on homework, test prep, tutoring? That kid is trash to UVA. Think about it.

If that kid is so desirous of attending UVA but unwilling to put in the necessary effort in HS, they can go to their community college for two years, get good grades and apply as a transfer student.

You're missing the point. Why is this crazy criteria the necessary effort for UVA? As previously noted, there are elite colleges (i.e., MIT) that have more reasonable admissions criteria. I'm not sure what UVA is trying to prove by being so sadistic. And I find it hard to believe that you can only be successful at UVA if you practically kill yourself with academics in high school.

MIT is private with a hige admissions office to process applications and can do what it wants and doesn't publish the criteria as UVA but wants the very top students too! UVA is public with a limited admussions office and still processes 50k applications a year. It needs to be more transparent because it is a public and reports to SCHEV. Virginua schools are very transparent which is much better than UCLA's "who the hell knows". and there arenany other options to public in VA. There is only ine MIT. apples and oranges. UVA has a public mission

You're right - UVA isn't a private institution. They are public, and they seem to be making it incredibly hard to get accepted for no particular reason. Make it exclusive by all means! But there are other measures of potential success besides all AP's and straight A's. But it's fine - let's see what happens when they cram their school with stressed out kids who are barely holding on to their mental health.

+1. They may reap what they sow.

Personally, I think it's bluffing, as so many are accepted without top rigor in all 5 cores.

Is this the same person replying to their own replies? Some of you people are beyond odd.

No. Strangely, there is more than one person who thinks all this is BS.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this thread pop up and every time I can't help but think who the hell does UVA think they are? You are a state school in a podunk town with a mediocre football team - basically a virgin who can't drive. AP's in all five or you're not good enough for us? Ok! I will make my way to all of the other amazing state schools in VA and not even apply to your boring, overrated school. Sit and spin, UVA.

You have to be a kid. Have a hard time imagining an adult taking their time to write this. Appreciate the amusement though.

Come on. No one has said "sit and spin" since the 80's. I'm obviously Gen-X. With a really smart kid, accomplished kid who couldn't care less about UVA. I'm just saying...there are some very twisted pairs of undies out there for a school that is not all that. Does Harvard deserve a wedgie? Probably. Yale? Likely. UVA? Absolutely not.

And one more thing...if you live in Virginia, your tax dollars are supporting UVA. Every kid should have a shot at being accepted at a state school their tax dollars support. Even the ones who don't take five AP's and get all A's at the risk of losing their sanity. What about the kid who made wise choices about their course load because they love their sport and they work part-time and value being a human being on the weekends instead of spending hours and hours on homework, test prep, tutoring? That kid is trash to UVA. Think about it.

If that kid is so desirous of attending UVA but unwilling to put in the necessary effort in HS, they can go to their community college for two years, get good grades and apply as a transfer student.

You're missing the point. Why is this crazy criteria the necessary effort for UVA? As previously noted, there are elite colleges (i.e., MIT) that have more reasonable admissions criteria. I'm not sure what UVA is trying to prove by being so sadistic. And I find it hard to believe that you can only be successful at UVA if you practically kill yourself with academics in high school.

MIT is private with a hige admissions office to process applications and can do what it wants and doesn't publish the criteria as UVA but wants the very top students too! UVA is public with a limited admussions office and still processes 50k applications a year. It needs to be more transparent because it is a public and reports to SCHEV. Virginua schools are very transparent which is much better than UCLA's "who the hell knows". and there arenany other options to public in VA. There is only ine MIT. apples and oranges. UVA has a public mission

You're right - UVA isn't a private institution. They are public, and they seem to be making it incredibly hard to get accepted for no particular reason. Make it exclusive by all means! But there are other measures of potential success besides all AP's and straight A's. But it's fine - let's see what happens when they cram their school with stressed out kids who are barely holding on to their mental health.

+1. They may reap what they sow.

Personally, I think it's bluffing, as so many are accepted without top rigor in all 5 cores.

Is this the same person replying to their own replies? Some of you people are beyond odd.

No. Strangely, there is more than one person who thinks all this is BS.

NP. My high stats kid from NOVA was waitlisted in 23. Pissed everyone off originally but we moved on. You will too.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this thread pop up and every time I can't help but think who the hell does UVA think they are? You are a state school in a podunk town with a mediocre football team - basically a virgin who can't drive. AP's in all five or you're not good enough for us? Ok! I will make my way to all of the other amazing state schools in VA and not even apply to your boring, overrated school. Sit and spin, UVA.

You have to be a kid. Have a hard time imagining an adult taking their time to write this. Appreciate the amusement though.

Come on. No one has said "sit and spin" since the 80's. I'm obviously Gen-X. With a really smart kid, accomplished kid who couldn't care less about UVA. I'm just saying...there are some very twisted pairs of undies out there for a school that is not all that. Does Harvard deserve a wedgie? Probably. Yale? Likely. UVA? Absolutely not.

And one more thing...if you live in Virginia, your tax dollars are supporting UVA. Every kid should have a shot at being accepted at a state school their tax dollars support. Even the ones who don't take five AP's and get all A's at the risk of losing their sanity. What about the kid who made wise choices about their course load because they love their sport and they work part-time and value being a human being on the weekends instead of spending hours and hours on homework, test prep, tutoring? That kid is trash to UVA. Think about it.

If that kid is so desirous of attending UVA but unwilling to put in the necessary effort in HS, they can go to their community college for two years, get good grades and apply as a transfer student.

You're missing the point. Why is this crazy criteria the necessary effort for UVA? As previously noted, there are elite colleges (i.e., MIT) that have more reasonable admissions criteria. I'm not sure what UVA is trying to prove by being so sadistic. And I find it hard to believe that you can only be successful at UVA if you practically kill yourself with academics in high school.

No, you are missing the point. If a kid wants to attend a highly selective college such as UVA, the kid is competing for admission with the very top students in the state and others from across the country, and needs to plan and achieve accordingly. If the kid doesn’t want to do that, no problem, but then don’t expect to be admitted in the place of a kid who did. Many classes, students, activities at UVA are crazy competitive even after being admitted and attending so chances are a kid who didn’t want to work too hard in HS will be miserable and/or struggle there even if admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this thread pop up and every time I can't help but think who the hell does UVA think they are? You are a state school in a podunk town with a mediocre football team - basically a virgin who can't drive. AP's in all five or you're not good enough for us? Ok! I will make my way to all of the other amazing state schools in VA and not even apply to your boring, overrated school. Sit and spin, UVA.

You have to be a kid. Have a hard time imagining an adult taking their time to write this. Appreciate the amusement though.

Come on. No one has said "sit and spin" since the 80's. I'm obviously Gen-X. With a really smart kid, accomplished kid who couldn't care less about UVA. I'm just saying...there are some very twisted pairs of undies out there for a school that is not all that. Does Harvard deserve a wedgie? Probably. Yale? Likely. UVA? Absolutely not.

And one more thing...if you live in Virginia, your tax dollars are supporting UVA. Every kid should have a shot at being accepted at a state school their tax dollars support. Even the ones who don't take five AP's and get all A's at the risk of losing their sanity. What about the kid who made wise choices about their course load because they love their sport and they work part-time and value being a human being on the weekends instead of spending hours and hours on homework, test prep, tutoring? That kid is trash to UVA. Think about it.

If that kid is so desirous of attending UVA but unwilling to put in the necessary effort in HS, they can go to their community college for two years, get good grades and apply as a transfer student.

You're missing the point. Why is this crazy criteria the necessary effort for UVA? As previously noted, there are elite colleges (i.e., MIT) that have more reasonable admissions criteria. I'm not sure what UVA is trying to prove by being so sadistic. And I find it hard to believe that you can only be successful at UVA if you practically kill yourself with academics in high school.

MIT is private with a hige admissions office to process applications and can do what it wants and doesn't publish the criteria as UVA but wants the very top students too! UVA is public with a limited admussions office and still processes 50k applications a year. It needs to be more transparent because it is a public and reports to SCHEV. Virginua schools are very transparent which is much better than UCLA's "who the hell knows". and there arenany other options to public in VA. There is only ine MIT. apples and oranges. UVA has a public mission

You're right - UVA isn't a private institution. They are public, and they seem to be making it incredibly hard to get accepted for no particular reason. Make it exclusive by all means! But there are other measures of potential success besides all AP's and straight A's. But it's fine - let's see what happens when they cram their school with stressed out kids who are barely holding on to their mental health.

You're missing the point. Every state has its own public system. Some great; most not. They all developed differently but have the same goal: how best to serve its populace with the amount of funds the state is willing to dedicate towards it. (yes UVA receives only 6% of its funding now from the Commonwealth). The four largest systems, and tge ones tgat are most popukar as OOS destinations, California, VA, Michigan and Texas, have different structures and criteria to meet this goal: Texas admits using bright light formula - you must graduate in the top ten percent of your Texas public or private high school. Less than 10% are OOS (it's not a perfect plan but at least Texans know the rules); Michigan is standard wholustic review but takes 48% OOS; UVA is standard wholistic with high regard for the five core subjects and wants to see applicants have taken advantage of what the high school has to offer to offer; UCLA and Berkeley have dropped grades and tests so is now a free-for-all with no one knowing what gets you in but heavy emphasis on URM and first-generation. It's OOS is less than 10%. Each system operates differently. I would ratger be a parent in VA with its thirty pulblic options and having facts and fingers at my hand through SCHEV than the harsh Texas rule. I woukd not want to be a Californian and have left as a result.

UVA is a competitor for the top students in the US. I don't see them as highly stressed. That woukd be W&M and Cornell, MIT and other schools with high suicide rates.

And OOS parents complaining about in-state policies that are being funded by Virginians is the most entitled attitude I've seen here in a long time. You want an Ivy's reputation but at the lesser OOS rate! Go elsewhere! Pay $90k for private! Go to your own publics! Start a better in-state system in your own state.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this thread pop up and every time I can't help but think who the hell does UVA think they are? You are a state school in a podunk town with a mediocre football team - basically a virgin who can't drive. AP's in all five or you're not good enough for us? Ok! I will make my way to all of the other amazing state schools in VA and not even apply to your boring, overrated school. Sit and spin, UVA.

You have to be a kid. Have a hard time imagining an adult taking their time to write this. Appreciate the amusement though.

Come on. No one has said "sit and spin" since the 80's. I'm obviously Gen-X. With a really smart kid, accomplished kid who couldn't care less about UVA. I'm just saying...there are some very twisted pairs of undies out there for a school that is not all that. Does Harvard deserve a wedgie? Probably. Yale? Likely. UVA? Absolutely not.

And one more thing...if you live in Virginia, your tax dollars are supporting UVA. Every kid should have a shot at being accepted at a state school their tax dollars support. Even the ones who don't take five AP's and get all A's at the risk of losing their sanity. What about the kid who made wise choices about their course load because they love their sport and they work part-time and value being a human being on the weekends instead of spending hours and hours on homework, test prep, tutoring? That kid is trash to UVA. Think about it.

If that kid is so desirous of attending UVA but unwilling to put in the necessary effort in HS, they can go to their community college for two years, get good grades and apply as a transfer student.

You're missing the point. Why is this crazy criteria the necessary effort for UVA? As previously noted, there are elite colleges (i.e., MIT) that have more reasonable admissions criteria. I'm not sure what UVA is trying to prove by being so sadistic. And I find it hard to believe that you can only be successful at UVA if you practically kill yourself with academics in high school.

No, you are missing the point. If a kid wants to attend a highly selective college such as UVA, the kid is competing for admission with the very top students in the state and others from across the country, and needs to plan and achieve accordingly. If the kid doesn’t want to do that, no problem, but then don’t expect to be admitted in the place of a kid who did. Many classes, students, activities at UVA are crazy competitive even after being admitted and attending so chances are a kid who didn’t want to work too hard in HS will be miserable and/or struggle there even if admitted.

I know a kid who is working his tail off in HS, is making good grades, has a few AP's, and is a great student with amazing work ethic and EC's. His counselor is saying UVA isn't an option so he shouldn't apply. In his home state. The parents went to UVA. That doesn't seem off to you? And before everyone turns around and says, "He should apply!" Go back to title of this thread and read what AO's are saying.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this thread pop up and every time I can't help but think who the hell does UVA think they are? You are a state school in a podunk town with a mediocre football team - basically a virgin who can't drive. AP's in all five or you're not good enough for us? Ok! I will make my way to all of the other amazing state schools in VA and not even apply to your boring, overrated school. Sit and spin, UVA.

You have to be a kid. Have a hard time imagining an adult taking their time to write this. Appreciate the amusement though.

Come on. No one has said "sit and spin" since the 80's. I'm obviously Gen-X. With a really smart kid, accomplished kid who couldn't care less about UVA. I'm just saying...there are some very twisted pairs of undies out there for a school that is not all that. Does Harvard deserve a wedgie? Probably. Yale? Likely. UVA? Absolutely not.

And one more thing...if you live in Virginia, your tax dollars are supporting UVA. Every kid should have a shot at being accepted at a state school their tax dollars support. Even the ones who don't take five AP's and get all A's at the risk of losing their sanity. What about the kid who made wise choices about their course load because they love their sport and they work part-time and value being a human being on the weekends instead of spending hours and hours on homework, test prep, tutoring? That kid is trash to UVA. Think about it.

If that kid is so desirous of attending UVA but unwilling to put in the necessary effort in HS, they can go to their community college for two years, get good grades and apply as a transfer student.

You're missing the point. Why is this crazy criteria the necessary effort for UVA? As previously noted, there are elite colleges (i.e., MIT) that have more reasonable admissions criteria. I'm not sure what UVA is trying to prove by being so sadistic. And I find it hard to believe that you can only be successful at UVA if you practically kill yourself with academics in high school.

MIT is private with a hige admissions office to process applications and can do what it wants and doesn't publish the criteria as UVA but wants the very top students too! UVA is public with a limited admussions office and still processes 50k applications a year. It needs to be more transparent because it is a public and reports to SCHEV. Virginua schools are very transparent which is much better than UCLA's "who the hell knows". and there arenany other options to public in VA. There is only ine MIT. apples and oranges. UVA has a public mission

You're right - UVA isn't a private institution. They are public, and they seem to be making it incredibly hard to get accepted for no particular reason. Make it exclusive by all means! But there are other measures of potential success besides all AP's and straight A's. But it's fine - let's see what happens when they cram their school with stressed out kids who are barely holding on to their mental health.

You're missing the point. Every state has its own public system. Some great; most not. They all developed differently but have the same goal: how best to serve its populace with the amount of funds the state is willing to dedicate towards it. (yes UVA receives only 6% of its funding now from the Commonwealth). The four largest systems, and tge ones tgat are most popukar as OOS destinations, California, VA, Michigan and Texas, have different structures and criteria to meet this goal: Texas admits using bright light formula - you must graduate in the top ten percent of your Texas public or private high school. Less than 10% are OOS (it's not a perfect plan but at least Texans know the rules); Michigan is standard wholustic review but takes 48% OOS; UVA is standard wholistic with high regard for the five core subjects and wants to see applicants have taken advantage of what the high school has to offer to offer; UCLA and Berkeley have dropped grades and tests so is now a free-for-all with no one knowing what gets you in but heavy emphasis on URM and first-generation. It's OOS is less than 10%. Each system operates differently. I would ratger be a parent in VA with its thirty pulblic options and having facts and fingers at my hand through SCHEV than the harsh Texas rule. I woukd not want to be a Californian and have left as a result.

UVA is a competitor for the top students in the US. I don't see them as highly stressed. That woukd be W&M and Cornell, MIT and other schools with high suicide rates.

And OOS parents complaining about in-state policies that are being funded by Virginians is the most entitled attitude I've seen here in a long time. You want an Ivy's reputation but at the lesser OOS rate! Go elsewhere! Pay $90k for private! Go to your own publics! Start a better in-state system in your own state.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this thread pop up and every time I can't help but think who the hell does UVA think they are? You are a state school in a podunk town with a mediocre football team - basically a virgin who can't drive. AP's in all five or you're not good enough for us? Ok! I will make my way to all of the other amazing state schools in VA and not even apply to your boring, overrated school. Sit and spin, UVA.

You have to be a kid. Have a hard time imagining an adult taking their time to write this. Appreciate the amusement though.

Come on. No one has said "sit and spin" since the 80's. I'm obviously Gen-X. With a really smart kid, accomplished kid who couldn't care less about UVA. I'm just saying...there are some very twisted pairs of undies out there for a school that is not all that. Does Harvard deserve a wedgie? Probably. Yale? Likely. UVA? Absolutely not.

And one more thing...if you live in Virginia, your tax dollars are supporting UVA. Every kid should have a shot at being accepted at a state school their tax dollars support. Even the ones who don't take five AP's and get all A's at the risk of losing their sanity. What about the kid who made wise choices about their course load because they love their sport and they work part-time and value being a human being on the weekends instead of spending hours and hours on homework, test prep, tutoring? That kid is trash to UVA. Think about it.

If that kid is so desirous of attending UVA but unwilling to put in the necessary effort in HS, they can go to their community college for two years, get good grades and apply as a transfer student.

You're missing the point. Why is this crazy criteria the necessary effort for UVA? As previously noted, there are elite colleges (i.e., MIT) that have more reasonable admissions criteria. I'm not sure what UVA is trying to prove by being so sadistic. And I find it hard to believe that you can only be successful at UVA if you practically kill yourself with academics in high school.

No, you are missing the point. If a kid wants to attend a highly selective college such as UVA, the kid is competing for admission with the very top students in the state and others from across the country, and needs to plan and achieve accordingly. If the kid doesn’t want to do that, no problem, but then don’t expect to be admitted in the place of a kid who did. Many classes, students, activities at UVA are crazy competitive even after being admitted and attending so chances are a kid who didn’t want to work too hard in HS will be miserable and/or struggle there even if admitted.

Not quite. The top students in the country don’t want to pay 62k oos tuition for a state flagship. UVA is their backup, which is why oos yield is so poor.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this thread pop up and every time I can't help but think who the hell does UVA think they are? You are a state school in a podunk town with a mediocre football team - basically a virgin who can't drive. AP's in all five or you're not good enough for us? Ok! I will make my way to all of the other amazing state schools in VA and not even apply to your boring, overrated school. Sit and spin, UVA.

You have to be a kid. Have a hard time imagining an adult taking their time to write this. Appreciate the amusement though.

Come on. No one has said "sit and spin" since the 80's. I'm obviously Gen-X. With a really smart kid, accomplished kid who couldn't care less about UVA. I'm just saying...there are some very twisted pairs of undies out there for a school that is not all that. Does Harvard deserve a wedgie? Probably. Yale? Likely. UVA? Absolutely not.

And one more thing...if you live in Virginia, your tax dollars are supporting UVA. Every kid should have a shot at being accepted at a state school their tax dollars support. Even the ones who don't take five AP's and get all A's at the risk of losing their sanity. What about the kid who made wise choices about their course load because they love their sport and they work part-time and value being a human being on the weekends instead of spending hours and hours on homework, test prep, tutoring? That kid is trash to UVA. Think about it.

If that kid is so desirous of attending UVA but unwilling to put in the necessary effort in HS, they can go to their community college for two years, get good grades and apply as a transfer student.

You're missing the point. Why is this crazy criteria the necessary effort for UVA? As previously noted, there are elite colleges (i.e., MIT) that have more reasonable admissions criteria. I'm not sure what UVA is trying to prove by being so sadistic. And I find it hard to believe that you can only be successful at UVA if you practically kill yourself with academics in high school.

No, you are missing the point. If a kid wants to attend a highly selective college such as UVA, the kid is competing for admission with the very top students in the state and others from across the country, and needs to plan and achieve accordingly. If the kid doesn’t want to do that, no problem, but then don’t expect to be admitted in the place of a kid who did. Many classes, students, activities at UVA are crazy competitive even after being admitted and attending so chances are a kid who didn’t want to work too hard in HS will be miserable and/or struggle there even if admitted.

Not quite. The top students in the country don’t want to pay 62k oos tuition for a state flagship. UVA is their backup, which is why oos yield is so poor.

What is it? All I can find is
UVA’s yield rate—the percentage of accepted students who elect to enroll, divided by the total number of students who are admitted is 42%. This figure is just a shade below other powerhouse state universities like the University of Michigan, UNC-Chapel Hill, and UCLA.

Harvard has the highest yield - around 80 an VTech is about 28%

Here are some others for comparison - https://www.collegevine.com/faq/31850/colleges-with-highest-yield-rates