Anti-war crime does not equal anti-Semitic

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.

What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.

All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.

Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.

Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.

I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?

That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:

1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?

2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.

3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".

Proceed, please.

Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

No. Balfour was a British Lord who promised one group a piece of land that had already been promised to another while at the same time another British Lord secretly promised to give it to neither. Combined they created a hell of a mess.

Zionism is a political philsophy that holds, in part, that there needs to be a non-pluralistic society for Jews because they cannot integrate with anyone. Political philosphies are always fair game for criticism.

Even after the Brits supported Balfour, they were killed by Jewish paramilitaries there for “taking too long”. King David hotel bombing and such. Maybe that’s why they couldn’t integrate anywhere not Europe or in the Me.
Even after a deal, there was double
Crossing.

They’re the real terorrists. They taught Palestinians about bombs. The Palestinians all stated bombing and even guns in general and fighting on religious lines was something super foreign to them until Israelis showed up. Israelis, and its namely Ashkenazis ,due to separation and segregration in European ghettoes , wanted their own separate area. This was considered really odd to the multi ethnic and multi faith Palestinian communities that consisted of Christians and Muslims , Palestinians and Armenians, Turks, Brits, Sephardic Jews . Ashkenazi Jews kinda came
In and instantly self segregated and didn’t really get to know the people there at all. They didn’t get along or speak to Sephardic Jews for a very long time.

There are many issues with all the demographic sub groups in the region but they are each responsible for their own actions. One could just as easily argue that the tactics of TE Lawrence against the Ottomans during WW1 was the start of terrorism in the region. It's pointless to try and cast original sin. They are all guilty.

Yet one group doesn't have a nation state or rights within the borders of the state where they live. How many generations until Palestinians stop living under colonial rule?

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.

What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.

All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.

Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.

Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.

I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?

That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:

1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?

2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.

3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".

Proceed, please.

Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.

Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing

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Anonymous wrote:I’m fully pro Jewish. Much of my family is Jewish. But blindly backing the Israeli government’s current actions is not okay. I am anti-genocide and anti-war crime, which currently makes me anti-Israel. I wish people would really look at the difference here. The Jewish people need to step up for human rights.

Is anti-Israel, as in “Israel shouldn’t exist”, ok?

Because that’s what many of the protesters are calling for.

If their existence requires a genocide to ensure their safety, perhaps it shouldn't exist. The majority of the citizens are white Europeans and Americans trying to hold land they violently stole.

That is not to say the Jewish people shouldn't exist, but I don't really see why they are entitled to take a country that wasn't theirs and hold it through extreme violence and oppression of the native people.

Give them their country back. One state. Everyone eligible for citizenship. No more apartheid. If you don't like it or don't feel safe, go home to your actual country.

Stole? You are nuts. No one stole the land.

C’mon, now - West Bank land hasn’t been stolen?

All of it was stolen. Just look at historical maps of Palestine/Israel.

That is a bald faced lie. All of it wasn't stolen. This is the narrative being pushed by antisemitic muslims and now they have coopted a bunch of liberal do-gooders into repeating their antisemitic screeds. This isn't about stolen land. This is about Jews having a presence in the middle east.

Bingo

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.

What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.

All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.

Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.

Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.

I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?

That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:

1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?

2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.

3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".

Proceed, please.

I see you also know zero about Indian country. Ho hum.

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Anonymous wrote:I will try this again - misogyny in Islam. https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2021/07/defending-muslim-womens-rights-requires-a-willingness-to-criticise-islam

Facts are hard for some, so they report the post.

In Gaza - only 13% of girls marrybefire 18, so better than the 32% in Yemen.
https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/learning-resources/child-marriage-atlas/regions-and-countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/

And?

This is what Gaza solidarity means - if it is not anti-semitism then wgat is it? Solidarity with misogyny and child brides? Solidarity with jihad and violence? Solidarity with there is no raping ones wife? How about women are not guardians of children?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/05/10/palestine-marry-your-rapist-law-repealed

https://www.efi-rcso.org/index-page/palestine#:~:text=The%20penal%20code%20does%20not,Gaza%20and%20the%20West%20Bank.

Do finish your sentence. These Muslims are rapists and pedophiles. It is therefore perfectly fine to bomb them, kill their children and take their lands.

Finish the sentence.

Take their lands? They we're given Gaza back in 2005, which they lost for attacking Israel in a previous war. Since then, they've turned Gaza into a non-livable hole (and I'm being kind).

They can't create their own electricity or create facilities for clean drinking water, but they can takfir with the best of them, right? Even the Jordanians and Egyptians don't want them. Why is that?

If lands are winnable in wars, why are people so down on Russia?

Because we like Zelensky (a Jew) better than Putin.

Thanks for acknowledging that rules apply only to people we don't like.

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Anonymous wrote:I will try this again - misogyny in Islam. https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2021/07/defending-muslim-womens-rights-requires-a-willingness-to-criticise-islam

Facts are hard for some, so they report the post.

In Gaza - only 13% of girls marrybefire 18, so better than the 32% in Yemen.
https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/learning-resources/child-marriage-atlas/regions-and-countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/

And?

This is what Gaza solidarity means - if it is not anti-semitism then wgat is it? Solidarity with misogyny and child brides? Solidarity with jihad and violence? Solidarity with there is no raping ones wife? How about women are not guardians of children?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/05/10/palestine-marry-your-rapist-law-repealed

https://www.efi-rcso.org/index-page/palestine#:~:text=The%20penal%20code%20does%20not,Gaza%20and%20the%20West%20Bank.

Do finish your sentence. These Muslims are rapists and pedophiles. It is therefore perfectly fine to bomb them, kill their children and take their lands.

Finish the sentence.

Take their lands? They we're given Gaza back in 2005, which they lost for attacking Israel in a previous war. Since then, they've turned Gaza into a non-livable hole (and I'm being kind).

They can't create their own electricity or create facilities for clean drinking water, but they can takfir with the best of them, right? Even the Jordanians and Egyptians don't want them. Why is that?

If lands are winnable in wars, why are people so down on Russia?

Because we like Zelensky (a Jew) better than Putin.

Thanks for acknowledging that rules apply only to people we don't like.

Whose land is Zelensky trying to take by war? I missed that part.

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.

What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.

All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.

Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.

Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.

I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?

That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:

1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?

2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.

3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".

Proceed, please.

Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.

Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing

Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m fully pro Jewish. Much of my family is Jewish. But blindly backing the Israeli government’s current actions is not okay. I am anti-genocide and anti-war crime, which currently makes me anti-Israel. I wish people would really look at the difference here. The Jewish people need to step up for human rights.

Is anti-Israel, as in “Israel shouldn’t exist”, ok?

Because that’s what many of the protesters are calling for.

If their existence requires a genocide to ensure their safety, perhaps it shouldn't exist. The majority of the citizens are white Europeans and Americans trying to hold land they violently stole.

That is not to say the Jewish people shouldn't exist, but I don't really see why they are entitled to take a country that wasn't theirs and hold it through extreme violence and oppression of the native people.

Give them their country back. One state. Everyone eligible for citizenship. No more apartheid. If you don't like it or don't feel safe, go home to your actual country.

Stole? You are nuts. No one stole the land.

C’mon, now - West Bank land hasn’t been stolen?

All of it was stolen. Just look at historical maps of Palestine/Israel.

That is a bald faced lie. All of it wasn't stolen. This is the narrative being pushed by antisemitic muslims and now they have coopted a bunch of liberal do-gooders into repeating their antisemitic screeds. This isn't about stolen land. This is about Jews having a presence in the middle east.

Bingo

If it wasn't stolen, explain the purpose of Absentee Property Laws.

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.

What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.

All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.

Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.

Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.

I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?

That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:

1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?

2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.

3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".

Proceed, please.

Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.

Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing

Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.

How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.

What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.

All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.

Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.

Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.

I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?

That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:

1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?

2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.

3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".

Proceed, please.

Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.

Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing

Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.

How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?

Why?

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Anonymous wrote:I will try this again - misogyny in Islam. https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2021/07/defending-muslim-womens-rights-requires-a-willingness-to-criticise-islam

Facts are hard for some, so they report the post.

In Gaza - only 13% of girls marrybefire 18, so better than the 32% in Yemen.
https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/learning-resources/child-marriage-atlas/regions-and-countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/

And?

This is what Gaza solidarity means - if it is not anti-semitism then wgat is it? Solidarity with misogyny and child brides? Solidarity with jihad and violence? Solidarity with there is no raping ones wife? How about women are not guardians of children?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/05/10/palestine-marry-your-rapist-law-repealed

https://www.efi-rcso.org/index-page/palestine#:~:text=The%20penal%20code%20does%20not,Gaza%20and%20the%20West%20Bank.

Do finish your sentence. These Muslims are rapists and pedophiles. It is therefore perfectly fine to bomb them, kill their children and take their lands.

Finish the sentence.

Take their lands? They we're given Gaza back in 2005, which they lost for attacking Israel in a previous war. Since then, they've turned Gaza into a non-livable hole (and I'm being kind).

They can't create their own electricity or create facilities for clean drinking water, but they can takfir with the best of them, right? Even the Jordanians and Egyptians don't want them. Why is that?

If lands are winnable in wars, why are people so down on Russia?

Because we like Zelensky (a Jew) better than Putin.

Thanks for acknowledging that rules apply only to people we don't like.

Whose land is Zelensky trying to take by war? I missed that part.

lol that's not all you missed

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

No. Balfour was a British Lord who promised one group a piece of land that had already been promised to another while at the same time another British Lord secretly promised to give it to neither. Combined they created a hell of a mess.

Zionism is a political philsophy that holds, in part, that there needs to be a non-pluralistic society for Jews because they cannot integrate with anyone. Political philosphies are always fair game for criticism.

Even after the Brits supported Balfour, they were killed by Jewish paramilitaries there for “taking too long”. King David hotel bombing and such. Maybe that’s why they couldn’t integrate anywhere not Europe or in the Me.
Even after a deal, there was double
Crossing.

They’re the real terorrists. They taught Palestinians about bombs. The Palestinians all stated bombing and even guns in general and fighting on religious lines was something super foreign to them until Israelis showed up. Israelis, and its namely Ashkenazis ,due to separation and segregration in European ghettoes , wanted their own separate area. This was considered really odd to the multi ethnic and multi faith Palestinian communities that consisted of Christians and Muslims , Palestinians and Armenians, Turks, Brits, Sephardic Jews . Ashkenazi Jews kinda came
In and instantly self segregated and didn’t really get to know the people there at all. They didn’t get along or speak to Sephardic Jews for a very long time.

There are many issues with all the demographic sub groups in the region but they are each responsible for their own actions. One could just as easily argue that the tactics of TE Lawrence against the Ottomans during WW1 was the start of terrorism in the region. It's pointless to try and cast original sin. They are all guilty.

Yet one group doesn't have a nation state or rights within the borders of the state where they live. How many generations until Palestinians stop living under colonial rule?

That's true and I agree with you BUT I'm not going to pretend that Palestinians are blamesless angels.

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

No. Balfour was a British Lord who promised one group a piece of land that had already been promised to another while at the same time another British Lord secretly promised to give it to neither. Combined they created a hell of a mess.

Zionism is a political philsophy that holds, in part, that there needs to be a non-pluralistic society for Jews because they cannot integrate with anyone. Political philosphies are always fair game for criticism.

Even after the Brits supported Balfour, they were killed by Jewish paramilitaries there for “taking too long”. King David hotel bombing and such. Maybe that’s why they couldn’t integrate anywhere not Europe or in the Me.
Even after a deal, there was double
Crossing.

They’re the real terorrists. They taught Palestinians about bombs. The Palestinians all stated bombing and even guns in general and fighting on religious lines was something super foreign to them until Israelis showed up. Israelis, and its namely Ashkenazis ,due to separation and segregration in European ghettoes , wanted their own separate area. This was considered really odd to the multi ethnic and multi faith Palestinian communities that consisted of Christians and Muslims , Palestinians and Armenians, Turks, Brits, Sephardic Jews . Ashkenazi Jews kinda came
In and instantly self segregated and didn’t really get to know the people there at all. They didn’t get along or speak to Sephardic Jews for a very long time.

There are many issues with all the demographic sub groups in the region but they are each responsible for their own actions. One could just as easily argue that the tactics of TE Lawrence against the Ottomans during WW1 was the start of terrorism in the region. It's pointless to try and cast original sin. They are all guilty.

Yet one group doesn't have a nation state or rights within the borders of the state where they live. How many generations until Palestinians stop living under colonial rule?

That's true and I agree with you BUT I'm not going to pretend that Palestinians are blamesless angels.

Wait are you saying self-rule is only for the blameless? Since then has this been in force?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

No. Balfour was a British Lord who promised one group a piece of land that had already been promised to another while at the same time another British Lord secretly promised to give it to neither. Combined they created a hell of a mess.

Zionism is a political philsophy that holds, in part, that there needs to be a non-pluralistic society for Jews because they cannot integrate with anyone. Political philosphies are always fair game for criticism.

Even after the Brits supported Balfour, they were killed by Jewish paramilitaries there for “taking too long”. King David hotel bombing and such. Maybe that’s why they couldn’t integrate anywhere not Europe or in the Me.
Even after a deal, there was double
Crossing.

They’re the real terorrists. They taught Palestinians about bombs. The Palestinians all stated bombing and even guns in general and fighting on religious lines was something super foreign to them until Israelis showed up. Israelis, and its namely Ashkenazis ,due to separation and segregration in European ghettoes , wanted their own separate area. This was considered really odd to the multi ethnic and multi faith Palestinian communities that consisted of Christians and Muslims , Palestinians and Armenians, Turks, Brits, Sephardic Jews . Ashkenazi Jews kinda came
In and instantly self segregated and didn’t really get to know the people there at all. They didn’t get along or speak to Sephardic Jews for a very long time.

There are many issues with all the demographic sub groups in the region but they are each responsible for their own actions. One could just as easily argue that the tactics of TE Lawrence against the Ottomans during WW1 was the start of terrorism in the region. It's pointless to try and cast original sin. They are all guilty.

Yet one group doesn't have a nation state or rights within the borders of the state where they live. How many generations until Palestinians stop living under colonial rule?

That's true and I agree with you BUT I'm not going to pretend that Palestinians are blamesless angels.

Wait are you saying self-rule is only for the blameless? Since then has this been in force?

No. I'm saying that regardless of what Israel has done to them that they are still responsible for their own actions and that the exact same thing applies to Israel.

Israel doesn't get an excuse and neither do the Palestinians. This convo was spurred by a statement that Israel were the "real" terrorists that should be blamed for every terrorist act Palestinians have ever done.