Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hopefully you can forgive non-Jews for rolling their eyes at that persistent propaganda (the only goal of Hamas is to kill Jews!) considering the fact that you have told the world repeatedly, for centuries, that this group wants to kill Jews, and then that group wants to kill Jews, and then this other group wants to kill Jews, but also you have yet another group that wants to kill Jews, ad infinitum. All of Israel's neighbors are trying to kill Jews. The U.N. is trying to kill Jews. The Vatican is trying to kill Jews. Hell, even the Irish (the Irish, FFS!) are trying to get in on the act of killing Jews.
Seriously - have you encountered any other group that you think doesn't want to kill Jews?
Who are you talking to, hon, the auditory hallucinations that you hear? I’ve only written anything about Hamas.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Tell me again about the auditory hallucinations? You said that the "stated goal in life" was "to kill Jews".
I mocked you by pointing out that the same people who make that propagandist false claim are Boys who cry Wolf because they claim that everyone tries to kill them. So why should anyone take your propaganda and existential horse manure seriously, hon?
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hopefully you can forgive non-Jews for rolling their eyes at that persistent propaganda (the only goal of Hamas is to kill Jews!) considering the fact that you have told the world repeatedly, for centuries, that this group wants to kill Jews, and then that group wants to kill Jews, and then this other group wants to kill Jews, but also you have yet another group that wants to kill Jews, ad infinitum. All of Israel's neighbors are trying to kill Jews. The U.N. is trying to kill Jews. The Vatican is trying to kill Jews. Hell, even the Irish (the Irish, FFS!) are trying to get in on the act of killing Jews.
Seriously - have you encountered any other group that you think doesn't want to kill Jews?
Is this supposed to be sarcasm? Or just extreme ignorance?
"Ignorance", "crazy", and 100 different insecure variations. BORING.
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hopefully you can forgive non-Jews for rolling their eyes at that persistent propaganda (the only goal of Hamas is to kill Jews!) considering the fact that you have told the world repeatedly, for centuries, that this group wants to kill Jews, and then that group wants to kill Jews, and then this other group wants to kill Jews, but also you have yet another group that wants to kill Jews, ad infinitum. All of Israel's neighbors are trying to kill Jews. The U.N. is trying to kill Jews. The Vatican is trying to kill Jews. Hell, even the Irish (the Irish, FFS!) are trying to get in on the act of killing Jews.
Seriously - have you encountered any other group that you think doesn't want to kill Jews?
Is this supposed to be sarcasm? Or just extreme ignorance?
"Ignorance", "crazy", and 100 different insecure variations. BORING.
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hamas never had a problem with Jews outside of Israel.
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hamas never had a problem with Jews outside of Israel.
This is like saying a group has nothing against Americans outside of America. Um, okay, we can’t live in our country, but there’s no problem with us?
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hamas never had a problem with Jews outside of Israel.
This is like saying a group has nothing against Americans outside of America. Um, okay, we can’t live in our country, but there’s no problem with us?
Not all Jews see Israel as "our country". Jews and Israelis is not the same thing.
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hopefully you can forgive non-Jews for rolling their eyes at that persistent propaganda (the only goal of Hamas is to kill Jews!) considering the fact that you have told the world repeatedly, for centuries, that this group wants to kill Jews, and then that group wants to kill Jews, and then this other group wants to kill Jews, but also you have yet another group that wants to kill Jews, ad infinitum. All of Israel's neighbors are trying to kill Jews. The U.N. is trying to kill Jews. The Vatican is trying to kill Jews. Hell, even the Irish (the Irish, FFS!) are trying to get in on the act of killing Jews.
Seriously - have you encountered any other group that you think doesn't want to kill Jews?
Who are you talking to, hon, the auditory hallucinations that you hear? I’ve only written anything about Hamas.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Tell me again about the auditory hallucinations? You said that the "stated goal in life" was "to kill Jews".
I mocked you by pointing out that the same people who make that propagandist false claim are Boys who cry Wolf because they claim that everyone tries to kill them. So why should anyone take your propaganda and existential horse manure seriously, hon?
They killed over 1000 Jews six months ago, to widespread celebration.
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hamas never had a problem with Jews outside of Israel.
This is like saying a group has nothing against Americans outside of America. Um, okay, we can’t live in our country, but there’s no problem with us?
Not all Jews see Israel as "our country". Jews and Israelis is not the same thing.
Halle-effing-lujah! Why is that distinction so impossible for the Zionists to understand? I mean, I know the reason for some of them (like the Ashkenazi brood), the ones who NEED Israel to be a Jewish homeland because that’s the only way they can slide in with their questionable ancestral bona fides, but still …
Why do so many refuse to recognize this distinction? Whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim or anything else, I really appreciate those who see the country they actually live in as their first, second, and final priority.
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hopefully you can forgive non-Jews for rolling their eyes at that persistent propaganda (the only goal of Hamas is to kill Jews!) considering the fact that you have told the world repeatedly, for centuries, that this group wants to kill Jews, and then that group wants to kill Jews, and then this other group wants to kill Jews, but also you have yet another group that wants to kill Jews, ad infinitum. All of Israel's neighbors are trying to kill Jews. The U.N. is trying to kill Jews. The Vatican is trying to kill Jews. Hell, even the Irish (the Irish, FFS!) are trying to get in on the act of killing Jews.
Seriously - have you encountered any other group that you think doesn't want to kill Jews?
Who are you talking to, hon, the auditory hallucinations that you hear? I’ve only written anything about Hamas.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Tell me again about the auditory hallucinations? You said that the "stated goal in life" was "to kill Jews".
I mocked you by pointing out that the same people who make that propagandist false claim are Boys who cry Wolf because they claim that everyone tries to kill them. So why should anyone take your propaganda and existential horse manure seriously, hon?
They killed over 1000 Jews six months ago, to widespread celebration.
Israel has done 30-35x that, and continues to, to not only widespread celebration, but cheers in the Knesset. The highest levels of Israeli government are actually rejoicing at the genocide being committed in their name. Ben Gbir, Smotrich, etc. Meanwhile, in the settler communities that Israeli refuses to contain, in violation of international law, hundreds of thousands of settlers like Daniella Weiss are cackling as I type this … boy, you are one sad sack hypocrite!
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hamas never had a problem with Jews outside of Israel.
This is like saying a group has nothing against Americans outside of America. Um, okay, we can’t live in our country, but there’s no problem with us?
Not all Jews see Israel as "our country". Jews and Israelis is not the same thing.
NP. Not all Americans do either. I personally don’t give a shit about America.
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hopefully you can forgive non-Jews for rolling their eyes at that persistent propaganda (the only goal of Hamas is to kill Jews!) considering the fact that you have told the world repeatedly, for centuries, that this group wants to kill Jews, and then that group wants to kill Jews, and then this other group wants to kill Jews, but also you have yet another group that wants to kill Jews, ad infinitum. All of Israel's neighbors are trying to kill Jews. The U.N. is trying to kill Jews. The Vatican is trying to kill Jews. Hell, even the Irish (the Irish, FFS!) are trying to get in on the act of killing Jews.
Seriously - have you encountered any other group that you think doesn't want to kill Jews?
Who are you talking to, hon, the auditory hallucinations that you hear? I’ve only written anything about Hamas.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Tell me again about the auditory hallucinations? You said that the "stated goal in life" was "to kill Jews".
I mocked you by pointing out that the same people who make that propagandist false claim are Boys who cry Wolf because they claim that everyone tries to kill them. So why should anyone take your propaganda and existential horse manure seriously, hon?
They killed over 1000 Jews six months ago, to widespread celebration.
Israel has done 30-35x that, and continues to, to not only widespread celebration, but cheers in the Knesset. The highest levels of Israeli government are actually rejoicing at the genocide being committed in their name. Ben Gbir, Smotrich, etc. Meanwhile, in the settler communities that Israeli refuses to contain, in violation of international law, hundreds of thousands of settlers like Daniella Weiss are cackling as I type this … boy, you are one sad sack hypocrite!
What happened before 10/7? Rockets fired into Israel. And what happened before that? Rockets fired into Israel. And what happened before that? Rockets fired into Israel.
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hamas never had a problem with Jews outside of Israel.
This is like saying a group has nothing against Americans outside of America. Um, okay, we can’t live in our country, but there’s no problem with us?
Not all Jews see Israel as "our country". Jews and Israelis is not the same thing.
NP. Not all Americans do either. I personally don’t give a shit about America.
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hopefully you can forgive non-Jews for rolling their eyes at that persistent propaganda (the only goal of Hamas is to kill Jews!) considering the fact that you have told the world repeatedly, for centuries, that this group wants to kill Jews, and then that group wants to kill Jews, and then this other group wants to kill Jews, but also you have yet another group that wants to kill Jews, ad infinitum. All of Israel's neighbors are trying to kill Jews. The U.N. is trying to kill Jews. The Vatican is trying to kill Jews. Hell, even the Irish (the Irish, FFS!) are trying to get in on the act of killing Jews.
Seriously - have you encountered any other group that you think doesn't want to kill Jews?
Who are you talking to, hon, the auditory hallucinations that you hear? I’ve only written anything about Hamas.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Tell me again about the auditory hallucinations? You said that the "stated goal in life" was "to kill Jews".
I mocked you by pointing out that the same people who make that propagandist false claim are Boys who cry Wolf because they claim that everyone tries to kill them. So why should anyone take your propaganda and existential horse manure seriously, hon?
They killed over 1000 Jews six months ago, to widespread celebration.
Israel has done 30-35x that, and continues to, to not only widespread celebration, but cheers in the Knesset. The highest levels of Israeli government are actually rejoicing at the genocide being committed in their name. Ben Gbir, Smotrich, etc. Meanwhile, in the settler communities that Israeli refuses to contain, in violation of international law, hundreds of thousands of settlers like Daniella Weiss are cackling as I type this … boy, you are one sad sack hypocrite!
What happened before 10/7? Rockets fired into Israel. And what happened before that? Rockets fired into Israel. And what happened before that? Rockets fired into Israel.
Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...
That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.
you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?
The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.
What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.
All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.
Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.
Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.
I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?
That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:
1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?
2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.
3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".
Proceed, please.
Disagree with your #2 and 3. We've gone backwards in acknowledging US history rather than forwards. And losing "fake" stories about our history helps no one and only tears a country apart. Adding new stories is a possible step, although to date we aren't doing it here yet.
Number 1 will never happen because people with passports can vote and Israel can never allow that many Palestinians to have voting rights. The only solution that Israel will agree to is permanent occupation or ethnic cleansing
Of course. Israel loves to brag about "but we have Arabs!" but works really really hard to keep the Arab numbers as low as possible. They want enough Arabs to pretend to be a multicultural tolerant country but not enough to become a political power. That's not allowed. A Jewish state means Jewish government and a Jewish majority.
How many majority-Jewish countries are there in the world? How many majority-Muslim states are there?
Who TF cares? Jews (and I'm intentionally using this term as expansively as possible) comprise less than 16M people worldwide. Muslims apparently comprise 1.9B.
There are 119 Muslims for every Jewish person. The number of Muslim-majority countries isn't even close to that figure (there are less than 50 Muslim-majority countries, most of which are tiny like Israel). So your question doesn't make the point you think it does.
In fact, there are 40 - 45M Kurds across the globe. Where's their country? Seems like, based on your logic, they are more deserving of a country than the Jewish community.
I am going to guess you think everyone is deserving of a country more than Jews.
By the way - Jews being such a small minority, is why we need a homeland. And it's a tiny one. Less than the size of New Jersey.
Nobody is "deserving" of a country. And there's no point in responding to your guess since, as someone presumably identifying yourself as a Zionist, I already know that you believe that Jews "deserve" a country before anyone else, and that Jews should be at the front of the line for every privilege imaginable. Part of the ol' Chosen People fairytale.
Besides - at worst, any view that everyone is "deserving" of a country more than Jews is no worse than a nullification of your racist, entitled view of the world.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Hopefully you can forgive non-Jews for rolling their eyes at that persistent propaganda (the only goal of Hamas is to kill Jews!) considering the fact that you have told the world repeatedly, for centuries, that this group wants to kill Jews, and then that group wants to kill Jews, and then this other group wants to kill Jews, but also you have yet another group that wants to kill Jews, ad infinitum. All of Israel's neighbors are trying to kill Jews. The U.N. is trying to kill Jews. The Vatican is trying to kill Jews. Hell, even the Irish (the Irish, FFS!) are trying to get in on the act of killing Jews.
Seriously - have you encountered any other group that you think doesn't want to kill Jews?
Who are you talking to, hon, the auditory hallucinations that you hear? I’ve only written anything about Hamas.
To be frank, Hamas wouldn’t know what to do with a country if they got one. And that’s not their actual goal. They just want to kill Jews. That’s their stated goal in life. Truth.
Tell me again about the auditory hallucinations? You said that the "stated goal in life" was "to kill Jews".
I mocked you by pointing out that the same people who make that propagandist false claim are Boys who cry Wolf because they claim that everyone tries to kill them. So why should anyone take your propaganda and existential horse manure seriously, hon?
They killed over 1000 Jews six months ago, to widespread celebration.
Israel has done 30-35x that, and continues to, to not only widespread celebration, but cheers in the Knesset. The highest levels of Israeli government are actually rejoicing at the genocide being committed in their name. Ben Gbir, Smotrich, etc. Meanwhile, in the settler communities that Israeli refuses to contain, in violation of international law, hundreds of thousands of settlers like Daniella Weiss are cackling as I type this … boy, you are one sad sack hypocrite!
What happened before 10/7? Rockets fired into Israel. And what happened before that? Rockets fired into Israel. And what happened before that? Rockets fired into Israel.
Anonymous wrote:I’m fully pro Jewish. Much of my family is Jewish. But blindly backing the Israeli government’s current actions is not okay. I am anti-genocide and anti-war crime, which currently makes me anti-Israel. I wish people would really look at the difference here. The Jewish people need to step up for human rights.
Is anti-Israel, as in “Israel shouldn’t exist”, ok?
Because that’s what many of the protesters are calling for.
If their existence requires a genocide to ensure their safety, perhaps it shouldn't exist. The majority of the citizens are white Europeans and Americans trying to hold land they violently stole.
That is not to say the Jewish people shouldn't exist, but I don't really see why they are entitled to take a country that wasn't theirs and hold it through extreme violence and oppression of the native people.
Give them their country back. One state. Everyone eligible for citizenship. No more apartheid. If you don't like it or don't feel safe, go home to your actual country.
This bolded part is not true; the majority of Israeli citizens are Middle Eastern Jews, mostly from families that were expelled from their home nations after 1948 or 1967. Just fwiw.
Their home nations were European. Many don’t even have a drop of middle eastern blood. DNA testing is banned in Israel, I wonder why? This is such a point of contention for many Israelis, they will vehemently deny they are European but you can’t change DNA. It’s like a Scandinavian claiming he has a right to occupy Bethlehem because he is a Christian. It doesn’t work that way.
Totally false. DNA testing is not banned in Israel. In fact, it is encouraged and subsidized because Jews have high rates of hereditary cancer. Note that these high rates are because of multiple "population bottlenecks" caused by repeated attempts to annihilate us.
Your "information " about Jews' DNA test results is also totally false. Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews have a significant amount of Roman world DNA in addition to Middle Eastern. The European population we are most closely related to are the Italians. The people who conquered us and enslaved us and drove us from what they renamed "Palestine. " this is a situation not unlike the mixed ancestry you find among Native Americans and Black Americans who also ended up with ancestors who conquered them.
Ashkenazis until just the past 40 years were and endogamous community for centuries. This is why there are so many genetic disease issues. These types of genetic aberrations are found in many in-bred communities around the world. Until this past generation it is rare to find someone with both Ashkenazi and other Jewish lineage from Mizrahi/Sephardi/Persian/Yemeni. It's almost always Ashkenazi and other European.
Jews are traditionally endogamous, true, but our numbers are so small because people like you have been trying to kill us (or applauding others who will) for two thousand years.
There has always been contact between Jewish communities all over the world. And Jews have always been fairly mobile. So actually, there have been many moments when Jews passing their exile in different places met and married over the centuries.
The reason the jewish community is small is primarily because it does not allow conversion like Christianity and Islam. Jews believe they are G-d's chosen people. You must have a mother that is Jewish in order for the religion to pass one. This has changed in the past generation with Reform Judaism and is an issue with the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.
They do allow conversion. You are misinformed.
Conversion is relatively easy if you join Reform or even Conservative Judaism. It is extremely difficult, if not practically impossible, to be fully accepted into the Orthodox community as a convert.
This is a bold-faced lie. I was raised in an Orthodox community. We were taught to honor the convert more highly than other Jews because of their dedication to the religion. Never heard of Ruth, I guess? She's kind of a big deal in Judaism.
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