Anti-war crime does not equal anti-Semitic

[Anonymous]

Why is this a separate thread?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel proved it wasn’t better when Rabin died just for simply acknowledging a Two state solution . Mind you Israel wasnt losing anything land wise by saying this.

Palestinians were but despite the predictions , Arafat , Abbas, and Hamas leaders were never assassinated for saying they wanted a two state solution. If Bibi said this tomorrow, there would be death threats from Israelis before sundown. Just tells you who the bad faith actors really are. Palestinians have lost everything and even in the deal Israelis lie and talk about from 2000, they still wanted their settlements to remain in the West Bank. What kinda two state solution is that if Israel keeps the ports in Gaza and settlements in the West Bank? They hoped Palestinians were dumb enough to take that deal but they didn’t and blame them for not taking a bullshit deal that was never a real two state solution in the first place. As long as Bibi is in government there, he vowed no such thing would ever exist so long as he has any say and he made sure to threaten Clinton with Lewinsky wiretaps to make sure he didn’t try to push for a real two state solution that would benefit Palestinians as well. Why do three Democrat Presidents and the last Republican all hate Bibi?

Gazans never had a nation-state. They were to live in Jordan. But then they started a war with Israel - that they lost. Why would anyone support another Islamic - sharia nation-state? Especially after 9/11 / Bali / USS Cole? Israel would never fly planes into buildings - that is why the US supports them. [/quote ]

It’s because the Us supports them that 9/11 happened . Were any of the hijackers Palestinian? I thought they were Saudis. That’s America and Israel’s friend. It’s illegal to say Free Palestine in Saudi Arabia. Funny isn’t it? The terorrist groups (Al Qaeda , ISIS) all attack us or Muslim countries but never Israel despite their issue supposedly being Israel. Israeli intel groups like SITE group are always the first to get the terrorist videos and translate them.

It seems to me Israel benefits from all the terror groups something Bibi even said. He loved supporting ISIS and Hamas. Some elderly Holocaust survivors could barely afford to eat in Israel but that wasn’t Bibi’s concern to support them . He’d rather support groups that hate Jews

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

No. Balfour was a British Lord who promised one group a piece of land that had already been promised to another while at the same time another British Lord secretly promised to give it to neither. Combined they created a hell of a mess.

Zionism is a political philsophy that holds, in part, that there needs to be a non-pluralistic society for Jews because they cannot integrate with anyone. Political philosphies are always fair game for criticism.

Even after the Brits supported Balfour, they were killed by Jewish paramilitaries there for “taking too long”. King David hotel bombing and such. Maybe that’s why they couldn’t integrate anywhere not Europe or in the Me.
Even after a deal, there was double
Crossing.

They’re the real terorrists. They taught Palestinians about bombs. The Palestinians all stated bombing and even guns in general and fighting on religious lines was something super foreign to them until Israelis showed up. Israelis, and its namely Ashkenazis ,due to separation and segregration in European ghettoes , wanted their own separate area. This was considered really odd to the multi ethnic and multi faith Palestinian communities that consisted of Christians and Muslims , Palestinians and Armenians, Turks, Brits, Sephardic Jews . Ashkenazi Jews kinda came
In and instantly self segregated and didn’t really get to know the people there at all. They didn’t get along or speak to Sephardic Jews for a very long time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

No. Balfour was a British Lord who promised one group a piece of land that had already been promised to another while at the same time another British Lord secretly promised to give it to neither. Combined they created a hell of a mess.

Zionism is a political philsophy that holds, in part, that there needs to be a non-pluralistic society for Jews because they cannot integrate with anyone. Political philosphies are always fair game for criticism.

Even after the Brits supported Balfour, they were killed by Jewish paramilitaries there for “taking too long”. King David hotel bombing and such. Maybe that’s why they couldn’t integrate anywhere not Europe or in the Me.
Even after a deal, there was double
Crossing.

They’re the real terorrists. They taught Palestinians about bombs. The Palestinians all stated bombing and even guns in general and fighting on religious lines was something super foreign to them until Israelis showed up. Israelis, and its namely Ashkenazis ,due to separation and segregration in European ghettoes , wanted their own separate area. This was considered really odd to the multi ethnic and multi faith Palestinian communities that consisted of Christians and Muslims , Palestinians and Armenians, Turks, Brits, Sephardic Jews . Ashkenazi Jews kinda came
In and instantly self segregated and didn’t really get to know the people there at all. They didn’t get along or speak to Sephardic Jews for a very long time.

There are many issues with all the demographic sub groups in the region but they are each responsible for their own actions. One could just as easily argue that the tactics of TE Lawrence against the Ottomans during WW1 was the start of terrorism in the region. It's pointless to try and cast original sin. They are all guilty.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m fully pro Jewish. Much of my family is Jewish. But blindly backing the Israeli government’s current actions is not okay. I am anti-genocide and anti-war crime, which currently makes me anti-Israel. I wish people would really look at the difference here. The Jewish people need to step up for human rights.

Is anti-Israel, as in “Israel shouldn’t exist”, ok?

Because that’s what many of the protesters are calling for.

If their existence requires a genocide to ensure their safety, perhaps it shouldn't exist. The majority of the citizens are white Europeans and Americans trying to hold land they violently stole.

That is not to say the Jewish people shouldn't exist, but I don't really see why they are entitled to take a country that wasn't theirs and hold it through extreme violence and oppression of the native people.

Give them their country back. One state. Everyone eligible for citizenship. No more apartheid. If you don't like it or don't feel safe, go home to your actual country.

This simply isn’t true. Have you ever been to Israel or Palestine? I have, and this is not accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:No, it means we need Jewish people to step up and decry the genocide and war crimes currently being committed by the Israeli government. I’m not seeing that happening, and it is terrifying. They are allowing the injustice they suffered to happen to others without even speaking out against it.

Think back 90 years how many stepped up to decry the Hitler genocide? No one. After 9-11, there were those who wanted Bush to nuke the Middle East and maybe we should have and rid the world of Hamas, the PLO, Taliban, etc. At least Israel is getting rid of one terrorist group that the Palestinians welcomed and tolerated and cheered on October 7!

Getting rid of them? They funded them for years! After seven months and tens of thousands of dead innocent civilians, they are apparently still capable of supposedly launching mortar shells at IDF personnel along the coast!

Gaza is smaller than Rhode Island, FFS! Exactly how incompetent is the IDF that their ragtag opponent in this conflict is still able to do ANYTHING at this point?!

This is a good point. If Israel’s goal was really genocide, they could easily have wiped out every living being in Gaza months ago. But that’s not their goal. Thank you for making this so clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is this a separate thread?

because Hamas apologists think if they keep insisting things loudly and frequently enough it'll cow everyone else into agreeing with them

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Anonymous wrote:I will try this again - misogyny in Islam. https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2021/07/defending-muslim-womens-rights-requires-a-willingness-to-criticise-islam

Facts are hard for some, so they report the post.

In Gaza - only 13% of girls marrybefire 18, so better than the 32% in Yemen.
https://www.girlsnotbrides.org/learning-resources/child-marriage-atlas/regions-and-countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/

And?

This is what Gaza solidarity means - if it is not anti-semitism then wgat is it? Solidarity with misogyny and child brides? Solidarity with jihad and violence? Solidarity with there is no raping ones wife? How about women are not guardians of children?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/05/10/palestine-marry-your-rapist-law-repealed

https://www.efi-rcso.org/index-page/palestine#:~:text=The%20penal%20code%20does%20not,Gaza%20and%20the%20West%20Bank.

Do finish your sentence. These Muslims are rapists and pedophiles. It is therefore perfectly fine to bomb them, kill their children and take their lands.

Finish the sentence.

Take their lands? They we're given Gaza back in 2005, which they lost for attacking Israel in a previous war. Since then, they've turned Gaza into a non-livable hole (and I'm being kind).

They can't create their own electricity or create facilities for clean drinking water, but they can takfir with the best of them, right? Even the Jordanians and Egyptians don't want them. Why is that?

If lands are winnable in wars, why are people so down on Russia?

Because we like Zelensky (a Jew) better than Putin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how the pro-Gazans disappear when facts about Gaza emerge. Guess they aren’t prepared to defend child brides.

No you’re just reliably more boring than you imagine, and there is nothing compelling to counter.

Weak sauce. Unimpressed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.

What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.

All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.

Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.

What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.

All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.

Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.

Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m fully pro Jewish. Much of my family is Jewish. But blindly backing the Israeli government’s current actions is not okay. I am anti-genocide and anti-war crime, which currently makes me anti-Israel. I wish people would really look at the difference here. The Jewish people need to step up for human rights.

Is anti-Israel, as in “Israel shouldn’t exist”, ok?

Because that’s what many of the protesters are calling for.

If their existence requires a genocide to ensure their safety, perhaps it shouldn't exist. The majority of the citizens are white Europeans and Americans trying to hold land they violently stole.

That is not to say the Jewish people shouldn't exist, but I don't really see why they are entitled to take a country that wasn't theirs and hold it through extreme violence and oppression of the native people.

Give them their country back. One state. Everyone eligible for citizenship. No more apartheid. If you don't like it or don't feel safe, go home to your actual country.

This simply isn’t true. Have you ever been to Israel or Palestine? I have, and this is not accurate.

It’s shockingly ignorant but unsurprising

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.

What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.

All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.

Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.

Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.

I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:op i'm a jew and i agree with you.
however I do think people are crossing a line into anti semitism now. It's really hard to tell where 'the line' is... for example, we live in nyc and spend time in dutchess county and a local businessman posted this. It feels like a lot of the rhetoric is just getting really extreme...

https://x.com/RobLister9/status/1783907912907190719

That's not anti-Semitic. It's entirely focused on the policies of the country and government of Israel. It's a bit intense and all encompassing but the situation is pretty messed up. People are fed up and want the whole Israel-Palestine blood feud thing to end.

you dont think 'f balfour, f zionism' might be construed as such, seeing as zionism is in part the belief that israel should exist at all?

The problem is not that Israel exists but that others had to be forcibly removed for it to exist, and it would’ve been nice to get that acknowledged once in a while instead the countless stories like “we made the desert bloom”.

What’s the point? Are we asking England, Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium etc to do the same? This is as useful as Chicago calling for a ceasefire. It’s all leftism feel good do nothing.

All expelled from their colonies around the globe. Here is a hint for you, extreme brutality is a sign of end stage for the colonizer.

Jews have no one country to “go back to.” That was the point of the creation of Israel. I can’t believe I have to write this. They are not “white colonizers.” This is just the brain dead, historically illiterate Gen Z attempt to gloss American racial politics onto something far more complicated.

Just because you don't have a country "to go back to", doesn't mean other people have to move to create space for your new country. But by all means, feel free to argue that settlers with Brooklyn accents really are natively connected to Eretz Israel more than a guy called Khaled whose family lived in Yaffa for generations.

I presume you’re Native American, or if not, moving back to wherever your gg grandma immigrated from?

That's a GREAT comparison so let's take it to its logical conclusions:

1. Issue Israeli passports to all Palestinians. Native Americans are American citizens are they not?

2. Acknowledge at every opportunity the great evil done to Native Americans, like the US does today.

3. Lose the fake stories you told for generations, aka "we made the desert bloom".

Proceed, please.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, it means we need Jewish people to step up and decry the genocide and war crimes currently being committed by the Israeli government. I’m not seeing that happening, and it is terrifying. They are allowing the injustice they suffered to happen to others without even speaking out against it.

Think back 90 years how many stepped up to decry the Hitler genocide? No one. After 9-11, there were those who wanted Bush to nuke the Middle East and maybe we should have and rid the world of Hamas, the PLO, Taliban, etc. At least Israel is getting rid of one terrorist group that the Palestinians welcomed and tolerated and cheered on October 7!

Getting rid of them? They funded them for years! After seven months and tens of thousands of dead innocent civilians, they are apparently still capable of supposedly launching mortar shells at IDF personnel along the coast!

Gaza is smaller than Rhode Island, FFS! Exactly how incompetent is the IDF that their ragtag opponent in this conflict is still able to do ANYTHING at this point?!

This is a good point. If Israel’s goal was really genocide, they could easily have wiped out every living being in Gaza months ago. But that’s not their goal. Thank you for making this so clear.

The point, which apparently evaded that exemplar Ashkenazi intellect, is that many of us who don’t drool over Israel and subordinate essential human rights to corrupt Jewish privilege are realizing that we’ve been sold an empty bill of goods for years about how effective the IDF performs in combat.

Completely empty bill of goods.