Take off a week in school year to go to disney

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Anonymous wrote:Agree! It is obnoxious to take kids out of school for Disney. You are not valuing their education, so don’t complain. I think elementary school is kinda fine. In middle schools, I know girls who take off a week for cheer competitions. Cheer? It’s lame. But, cheer girls not the brightest. Bring on the hate! And not in HS, you miss way to much.

I'm sure the cheerleaders at least know the appropriate to/too/two to use when writing. Maybe people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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Anonymous wrote:Literally, no parent is going to change their vacation plans based upon the teachers responses in this thread. I know I won't.

I’m a high school teacher who posted above.

This thread will be changing my behavior. I’ve been accommodating in the past, mostly out of respect for the child who has no control over the parents’ decisions.

Not anymore. The absence policy is a hard line now. The parents can explain to their child why there will be a failing grade on the unit assessment he/she missed. I won’t be tolerating end-quarter meetings when that trip dropped the student’s quarter grade to a C.

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Admin is finally backing up teachers on this kind of crap. Too many teachers leaving over this awful stuff.

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I'm a 5th grade teacher. This has happened to me several times. One of my students went on vacay the week we were learning fractions. Parent expected me to review everything with the kid. I declined, saying I only took time out of my planning time/lunch time to help kids with emergencies.

The gall.

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Anonymous wrote:Admin is finally backing up teachers on this kind of crap. Too many teachers leaving over this awful stuff.

Glad to hear there are supportive admins out there!

I think this teacher shortage is highlighting that we can’t expect teachers to be martyrs any longer.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a 5th grade teacher. This has happened to me several times. One of my students went on vacay the week we were learning fractions. Parent expected me to review everything with the kid. I declined, saying I only took time out of my planning time/lunch time to help kids with emergencies.

The gall.

Tell them the Eureka material is all online for free for them to go over with their child. Suggest they look videos of the lessons by Shaun Walker on Youtube. Not your responsibility if their kid misses school for vacation.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

Someone doesn’t understand excuses vs unexcused absences. Teachers don’t mind giving makeup work for excused absences. It’s accommodating your Disney trip that’s the problem.

I’m not asking for make up work for my kids, so you don’t have a leg to stand on.

So don’t expect the teacher to help your kid if they miss anything. They’re on their own.

No, they have parents to help them.

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Anonymous wrote:how far behind does an elementary school student become if they take a few days off school? I can't imagine it impacts them in the long term, and would be easy to make up either by getting the work before-hand and doing some work while you're on vacation, or making it up when you get back.

You’ve clearly missed most of this thread. Catch up, please.

What this rude PP meant to say was, “you’re right, no loss of learning, some teachers just have their underwear in a bunch bc they can’t travel when they want”.

No. You missed the part where teachers have said repeatedly that they resent having to accommodate your kid due to unexcused absences.

Many teachers posted in this thread that they think it’s fine.

So when you impose your selfish self on your kid’s teacher, expecting them to accommodate your kid, just tell them “well, other teachers think it’s fine, so STFU.”

OR the kid has/had one of the teachers who doesn't have an issue with it, and the parents haven't asked for accommodations .

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It depends. I planned to take my 1st grade DD out for Disney with her grandparents for 1 day (3 day weekend) in fall 2021, and in August her parochial school announced anybody who got on an airplane had to quarantine for 7 days before returning to school. We went anyways and she missed over a week of school. I didn’t ask her teacher for anything, but you can’t really blame families for Disney trips after schools actively kept healthy kids out of school and told families that virtual school was just as good as being in the physical school building. You reap what you sow.

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Anonymous wrote:how far behind does an elementary school student become if they take a few days off school? I can't imagine it impacts them in the long term, and would be easy to make up either by getting the work before-hand and doing some work while you're on vacation, or making it up when you get back.

You’ve clearly missed most of this thread. Catch up, please.

What this rude PP meant to say was, “you’re right, no loss of learning, some teachers just have their underwear in a bunch bc they can’t travel when they want”.

No. You missed the part where teachers have said repeatedly that they resent having to accommodate your kid due to unexcused absences.

Many teachers posted in this thread that they think it’s fine.

So when you impose your selfish self on your kid’s teacher, expecting them to accommodate your kid, just tell them “well, other teachers think it’s fine, so STFU.”

OR the kid has/had one of the teachers who doesn't have an issue with it, and the parents haven't asked for accommodations .

If the teachers don’t have an issue with it, then they are also ignoring policy. That’s a slippery slope.

At the high school level, missing a week can result in serious drops in grades. That’s quite an issue if you plan to apply to selective colleges. That’s why I often end up with parents who ask me to go to great lengths to help their students raise grades after vacations tank averages. I’ve been asked to reteach, to exempt assignments, to create individualized tests since the student missed the official one, etc. All of this for unexcused absences. Policy says NO.

I know there are posters here saying it’s okay in elementary, but this can set a precedent that can’t be continued in high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

Someone doesn’t understand excuses vs unexcused absences. Teachers don’t mind giving makeup work for excused absences. It’s accommodating your Disney trip that’s the problem.

I’m not asking for make up work for my kids, so you don’t have a leg to stand on.

So don’t expect the teacher to help your kid if they miss anything. They’re on their own.

No, they have parents to help them.

How are the parents going to help, if they don’t know what the kid missed?

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Anonymous wrote:It depends. I planned to take my 1st grade DD out for Disney with her grandparents for 1 day (3 day weekend) in fall 2021, and in August her parochial school announced anybody who got on an airplane had to quarantine for 7 days before returning to school. We went anyways and she missed over a week of school. I didn’t ask her teacher for anything, but you can’t really blame families for Disney trips after schools actively kept healthy kids out of school and told families that virtual school was just as good as being in the physical school building. You reap what you sow.

Missing school altogether isn't even close to virtual school where kids attended every single day, but nice try.

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Well, I don’t consider virtual school appropriate for a 1st grader, even if kids attend every single day, but you do you.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a 5th grade teacher. This has happened to me several times. One of my students went on vacay the week we were learning fractions. Parent expected me to review everything with the kid. I declined, saying I only took time out of my planning time/lunch time to help kids with emergencies.

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I don't tell them anything other than I only give extra help for kids with emergencies. Parents can find their own materials. I've got 25 other kids to take care of, and my own at home to get to.

If you can afford to go on vacation during school, you can afford a tutor. I help the kids who show up everyday, on time.

The entitlement is outrageous.

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Anonymous wrote:Couldn't stand to read the whole thread but wanted to make sure this point was clear - by pulling your kids out of school you are making it harder for the teacher to do their job and impacting the education of the other children. As a teacher, I am already overworked with the normal issues. I don't mind working extra to accommodate sick children or those with legitimate reasons to miss class. But, those of you who just pull them out to go to Disney???! It takes time and effort to catch the child up. Which takes away from my teaching the other children. And yes, they get behind. Sigh. Don't be selfish. Keep your kids in school. Especially those of you who want the good teachers to stay!

Sorry it doesnt actually take long to catch a second grader up for missing 1 week of school

And you want the teacher to do that, on top of everything else?

I’m not asking the ES teacher for makeup work. My kids are above grade level. If your administration is making you accommodate, then it’s part of your job (even if you don’t like it) and should fight that fight elsewhere.

It’s lame to pretend there’s this huge loss of learning for a few days ES. You’re taking it way too personally if you think my pulling my kids out for a few days is disrespectful to your profession. My husband is French and he and his siblings got pulled out for a week every year to visit family and gasp - they would go to Disney Paris. I guarantee he got more out of that trip than a week of ES.

I am the teacher who had admin add to my job (against policy) and I am not the PP. There appear to be several people commenting who are against vacations during the school year.

The school has rules, including an attendance policy. These exist for the benefit of the entire school community, including your children. Apparently these rules are beneath you. Fine. Just don’t come to DCUM expecting people to support your decisions. And don’t expect us to find respect and support when you add to our workloads. Accept this is how we feel and take your trip to Disney.

There are plenty of people in this thread also arguing that it’s not a big deal.

Yep, there’s an attendance policy. Kids miss school for illness or bereavement days all the time. There’s no magic wand that makes Disney days worse than a sick day from a learning perspective. You just feel morally superior for some twisted reason - probably because you’ve conditioned yourself that your way is the best and everyone else is doing it wrong. Again, my kids don’t miss school for grandparent visits or sick days or sports or anything else, so taking a few days in ES for Disney over the course of a year is truly not an issue.

Respect? Support? Again, take it up with admin or find a different job if you don’t like what yours entails. Teaching is not a life sentence.

Someone doesn’t understand excuses vs unexcused absences. Teachers don’t mind giving makeup work for excused absences. It’s accommodating your Disney trip that’s the problem.

I’m not asking for make up work for my kids, so you don’t have a leg to stand on.

So don’t expect the teacher to help your kid if they miss anything. They’re on their own.

No, they have parents to help them.

How are the parents going to help, if they don’t know what the kid missed?

You should have thought of that before you pulled your kid out of school. I do not offer personal services to privileged children.