Wilson / Jackson-Reed Teacher saying slurs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw the video. Black student angrily calls a White teacher the N-word. Teacher replies, "I'm not a n---." Student then tells the teacher, who happens to be gay, "Your life don't matter. You're a f-- [homophobic slur]." Teacher lost composure but it's not like the teacher called anyone the term. The student called him the term and he just repeated it to reject it. Lots of smoke but hardly any fire.

The student should be expelled. The teacher should get free counseling for having to deal with this abuse at work.

Sure. I’m sure if the student was white you’d have more empathy. No this student shouldn’t be expelled. They should have to write a minimum 6 page essay on why homophobia is wrong and the history of it. Plus counseling from the school.
Notice how I didn’t add suspension or expulsion, that crap doesn’t work. As a teacher myself, I have gotten a student suspended who said he’d rape me but ha. He was happy to miss school and came back worse. Luckily his parents were actually upset and started getting him counseling and they finally listened when I told them he may be bipolar.

This is a student, not a teacher. Expulsion is for extreme circumstances like real physical hard. Words hurt but I’m sure that teacher has heard worse. Some of these kids have zero boundaries.

Lol, a 6 page essay is more than any kids write cumulatively in their Wilson/JR careers.

Oh look, is the deranged Wilson poster, once again proving the s/he has never been within a mile of the school and doesn’t know any kids who go there. Of course, parents who actually know anything about the school realize that their kids will write dozens and dozens of 4-5 page essays every semester while there. Junior year, my kid typically had to write 2 five page essays a week… in Spanish. Then another several in Various other AP classes. Plus, of course, AP physics and calculus homework.

Deranged Wilson posted, looks like you couldn’t figure out how to work weird dystopian fiction about “beefs” in this thread. Better luck next time!

[Anonymous]

In what world do you think a teacher can "make" a kid do anything? No one can make the kid do anything they don't want to do.

I can't believe people are this naive, come on. You can certainly ask a student to do something, but "make" them self reflect or write a 6 page paper?

Adult - "I want you to self reflect."
Student - "NO!"
Adult - "Okay thanks!"

Adult - "Write a 6 page paper."
Student - "Get lost."
Adult - "Cool."

No one is going to be "making" any student do anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw the video. Black student angrily calls a White teacher the N-word. Teacher replies, "I'm not a n---." Student then tells the teacher, who happens to be gay, "Your life don't matter. You're a f-- [homophobic slur]." Teacher lost composure but it's not like the teacher called anyone the term. The student called him the term and he just repeated it to reject it. Lots of smoke but hardly any fire.

The student should be expelled. The teacher should get free counseling for having to deal with this abuse at work.

Sure. I’m sure if the student was white you’d have more empathy. No this student shouldn’t be expelled. They should have to write a minimum 6 page essay on why homophobia is wrong and the history of it. Plus counseling from the school.
Notice how I didn’t add suspension or expulsion, that crap doesn’t work. As a teacher myself, I have gotten a student suspended who said he’d rape me but ha. He was happy to miss school and came back worse. Luckily his parents were actually upset and started getting him counseling and they finally listened when I told them he may be bipolar.

This is a student, not a teacher. Expulsion is for extreme circumstances like real physical hard. Words hurt but I’m sure that teacher has heard worse. Some of these kids have zero boundaries.

Lol, a 6 page essay is more than any kids write cumulatively in their Wilson/JR careers.

Oh look, is the deranged Wilson poster, once again proving the s/he has never been within a mile of the school and doesn’t know any kids who go there. Of course, parents who actually know anything about the school realize that their kids will write dozens and dozens of 4-5 page essays every semester while there. Junior year, my kid typically had to write 2 five page essays a week… in Spanish. Then another several in Various other AP classes. Plus, of course, AP physics and calculus homework.

Deranged Wilson posted, looks like you couldn’t figure out how to work weird dystopian fiction about “beefs” in this thread. Better luck next time!

Was this 21-22?
because my JR did zero writing this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In what world do you think a teacher can "make" a kid do anything? No one can make the kid do anything they don't want to do.

I can't believe people are this naive, come on. You can certainly ask a student to do something, but "make" them self reflect or write a 6 page paper?

Adult - "I want you to self reflect."
Student - "NO!"
Adult - "Okay thanks!"

Adult - "Write a 6 page paper."
Student - "Get lost."
Adult - "Cool."

No one is going to be "making" any student do anything.

Yes, focus on that one thing and ignore the rest of the 3 other comments and suggestions.
Also no one said make, it was ‘have.’

As in you ‘have to go to work.’ NOT ‘I’m making you go to work.’

Also by your logic: you’re suspended
Student: *shows up the next day
Adult: Cool


Come now, you need to stop being facetious. You can never make anyone do anything through normal means.
Also that was assuming that was this child’s first offense. Now that it’s clear it’s not, you can read the other comments.

I feel like some parents on here obviously just enjoy the drama, not to provide any real input or insight. Which is ok, I assume you only care about your own specific child and aren’t a teaching professional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw the video. Black student angrily calls a White teacher the N-word. Teacher replies, "I'm not a n---." Student then tells the teacher, who happens to be gay, "Your life don't matter. You're a f-- [homophobic slur]." Teacher lost composure but it's not like the teacher called anyone the term. The student called him the term and he just repeated it to reject it. Lots of smoke but hardly any fire.

The student should be expelled. The teacher should get free counseling for having to deal with this abuse at work.

Sure. I’m sure if the student was white you’d have more empathy. No this student shouldn’t be expelled. They should have to write a minimum 6 page essay on why homophobia is wrong and the history of it. Plus counseling from the school.
Notice how I didn’t add suspension or expulsion, that crap doesn’t work. As a teacher myself, I have gotten a student suspended who said he’d rape me but ha. He was happy to miss school and came back worse. Luckily his parents were actually upset and started getting him counseling and they finally listened when I told them he may be bipolar.

This is a student, not a teacher. Expulsion is for extreme circumstances like real physical hard. Words hurt but I’m sure that teacher has heard worse. Some of these kids have zero boundaries.

Your argument is about as cogent as the current arguments against gun laws because "outlaws don't follow laws". We should then eliminate all laws I guess? Setting aside that I don't agree that suspensions don't work, the question I have for everyone who parrots that line is, don't work for whom? Even if suspensions and expulsions don't work for the perpetrator they surely work (i) to dissuade kids who otherwise might engage in behaviors but for actual consequences and (ii) to allow the other kids to have an environment appropriate for learning.

I think where you and I differ is in where our focus ought to be. I'm more worried about the other kids in the class than an unrepentant asshole who has engaged in the same disruptive behaviors for extended periods of time. I also call bullshit on this idea that the fact that minority kids are suspended and expelled at higher rates means we can't suspend or expel anyone. Those aren't binary choices, we only pretend they are because (i) it is hard to fix and (ii) the idea of "equity" and accusations of racism have made reform efforts untenable. I'd also call bullshit on the idea that only white parents want their kids in a stable educational environment. There's this idea that keeps surfacing that black parents want violent or disruptive black kids to remain in class because it is "antiracist". Black parents and kids have to live in America; by and large they don't have time for this kind of virtue signaling and they don't feel empowered when an asshole, disruptive, violent black student remains.

Sigh, way to take it to an extreme. It doesn’t work for anyone, so stop your implied ‘it just doesn’t work for POC kids.’
The US incarcerates at an extremely high rate and yet we have some of the most rampant crime in the world. You want punishments that make YOU feel better, they will not change the behavior. Sure, it could work for some children as a fear tactic but it will not change their mindset, their character.

These are children, wtf is the point of doling out a punishment to just be like, ‘you did a bad thing, here’s your punishment.’ Suspension and expulsion offer no reflection, no mindset change, no understanding.

Expulsion is the worse because all it does is help create criminals, if they are not in school to learn that their actions are wrong then what do you think they’ll be doing as an alternative? Do you actually understand the school to prison pipeline?

It is not just about the students who can follow the rules, it is about students with difficult home lives, trauma, ELL, sped, homeless, etc. students too. If you don’t want to deal then send your child to a private school.

The problem is DCPS does not actually make these students reflect in any meaningful way, they just allow them to continue to disrupt the class, which I am not for. This student obviously cannot regulate their emotions, how will suspension teach him that?

But you want to sit here and be as lazy as possible because that is what that is. Lazy, negligent, and using bad practices because YOU think it’s a black issue. Perhaps you did not mean it as such but I never said Black families do not care, you implied that’s what my stance is about.

No, white children from ‘good families’ can have awful kids, White kids are the ones mostly shooting up schools.

this is fresh bullsh*t and I say that as the mother of a child with an IEP and sometimes severely disruptive behavior. A child like this one needs to be assessed for disabilities and given clear consequences, including suspension and transfer to an alternative setting. If the school doesn’t have the ability or resources to implement a successful FBA then the child needs to go to a more restrictive environment. One child cannot disrupt learning for the rest. And miss me with the complaints of racism. Why do you think black parents enroll their kids in KIPP?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In what world do you think a teacher can "make" a kid do anything? No one can make the kid do anything they don't want to do.

I can't believe people are this naive, come on. You can certainly ask a student to do something, but "make" them self reflect or write a 6 page paper?

Adult - "I want you to self reflect."
Student - "NO!"
Adult - "Okay thanks!"

Adult - "Write a 6 page paper."
Student - "Get lost."
Adult - "Cool."

No one is going to be "making" any student do anything.

Yes, focus on that one thing and ignore the rest of the 3 other comments and suggestions.
Also no one said make, it was ‘have.’

As in you ‘have to go to work.’ NOT ‘I’m making you go to work.’

Also by your logic: you’re suspended
Student: *shows up the next day
Adult: Cool


Come now, you need to stop being facetious. You can never make anyone do anything through normal means.
Also that was assuming that was this child’s first offense. Now that it’s clear it’s not, you can read the other comments.

I feel like some parents on here obviously just enjoy the drama, not to provide any real input or insight. Which is ok, I assume you only care about your own specific child and aren’t a teaching professional.

You mean to tell me if a student who is not supposed to be at a school due to whatever reason, shows up, the school will just have to let them in?

And if you "have" them do work, they will do it? They won't do it if you "make" them, but they will if you "have" them do it. That's the difference? I wonder why they don't tell teachers this! Just "have" the students do things. Amazing insight!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In what world do you think a teacher can "make" a kid do anything? No one can make the kid do anything they don't want to do.

I can't believe people are this naive, come on. You can certainly ask a student to do something, but "make" them self reflect or write a 6 page paper?

Adult - "I want you to self reflect."
Student - "NO!"
Adult - "Okay thanks!"

Adult - "Write a 6 page paper."
Student - "Get lost."
Adult - "Cool."

No one is going to be "making" any student do anything.

Yes, focus on that one thing and ignore the rest of the 3 other comments and suggestions.
Also no one said make, it was ‘have.’

As in you ‘have to go to work.’ NOT ‘I’m making you go to work.’

Also by your logic: you’re suspended
Student: *shows up the next day
Adult: Cool


Come now, you need to stop being facetious. You can never make anyone do anything through normal means.
Also that was assuming that was this child’s first offense. Now that it’s clear it’s not, you can read the other comments.

I feel like some parents on here obviously just enjoy the drama, not to provide any real input or insight. Which is ok, I assume you only care about your own specific child and aren’t a teaching professional.

You mean to tell me if a student who is not supposed to be at a school due to whatever reason, shows up, the school will just have to let them in?

And if you "have" them do work, they will do it? They won't do it if you "make" them, but they will if you "have" them do it. That's the difference? I wonder why they don't tell teachers this! Just "have" the students do things. Amazing insight!

Lack of comprehension. Also yes, by your logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw the video. Black student angrily calls a White teacher the N-word. Teacher replies, "I'm not a n---." Student then tells the teacher, who happens to be gay, "Your life don't matter. You're a f-- [homophobic slur]." Teacher lost composure but it's not like the teacher called anyone the term. The student called him the term and he just repeated it to reject it. Lots of smoke but hardly any fire.

The student should be expelled. The teacher should get free counseling for having to deal with this abuse at work.

Sure. I’m sure if the student was white you’d have more empathy. No this student shouldn’t be expelled. They should have to write a minimum 6 page essay on why homophobia is wrong and the history of it. Plus counseling from the school.
Notice how I didn’t add suspension or expulsion, that crap doesn’t work. As a teacher myself, I have gotten a student suspended who said he’d rape me but ha. He was happy to miss school and came back worse. Luckily his parents were actually upset and started getting him counseling and they finally listened when I told them he may be bipolar.

This is a student, not a teacher. Expulsion is for extreme circumstances like real physical hard. Words hurt but I’m sure that teacher has heard worse. Some of these kids have zero boundaries.

Your argument is about as cogent as the current arguments against gun laws because "outlaws don't follow laws". We should then eliminate all laws I guess? Setting aside that I don't agree that suspensions don't work, the question I have for everyone who parrots that line is, don't work for whom? Even if suspensions and expulsions don't work for the perpetrator they surely work (i) to dissuade kids who otherwise might engage in behaviors but for actual consequences and (ii) to allow the other kids to have an environment appropriate for learning.

I think where you and I differ is in where our focus ought to be. I'm more worried about the other kids in the class than an unrepentant asshole who has engaged in the same disruptive behaviors for extended periods of time. I also call bullshit on this idea that the fact that minority kids are suspended and expelled at higher rates means we can't suspend or expel anyone. Those aren't binary choices, we only pretend they are because (i) it is hard to fix and (ii) the idea of "equity" and accusations of racism have made reform efforts untenable. I'd also call bullshit on the idea that only white parents want their kids in a stable educational environment. There's this idea that keeps surfacing that black parents want violent or disruptive black kids to remain in class because it is "antiracist". Black parents and kids have to live in America; by and large they don't have time for this kind of virtue signaling and they don't feel empowered when an asshole, disruptive, violent black student remains.

Sigh, way to take it to an extreme. It doesn’t work for anyone, so stop your implied ‘it just doesn’t work for POC kids.’
The US incarcerates at an extremely high rate and yet we have some of the most rampant crime in the world. You want punishments that make YOU feel better, they will not change the behavior. Sure, it could work for some children as a fear tactic but it will not change their mindset, their character.

These are children, wtf is the point of doling out a punishment to just be like, ‘you did a bad thing, here’s your punishment.’ Suspension and expulsion offer no reflection, no mindset change, no understanding.

Expulsion is the worse because all it does is help create criminals, if they are not in school to learn that their actions are wrong then what do you think they’ll be doing as an alternative? Do you actually understand the school to prison pipeline?

It is not just about the students who can follow the rules, it is about students with difficult home lives, trauma, ELL, sped, homeless, etc. students too. If you don’t want to deal then send your child to a private school.

The problem is DCPS does not actually make these students reflect in any meaningful way, they just allow them to continue to disrupt the class, which I am not for. This student obviously cannot regulate their emotions, how will suspension teach him that?

But you want to sit here and be as lazy as possible because that is what that is. Lazy, negligent, and using bad practices because YOU think it’s a black issue. Perhaps you did not mean it as such but I never said Black families do not care, you implied that’s what my stance is about.

No, white children from ‘good families’ can have awful kids, White kids are the ones mostly shooting up schools.

this is fresh bullsh*t and I say that as the mother of a child with an IEP and sometimes severely disruptive behavior. A child like this one needs to be assessed for disabilities and given clear consequences, including suspension and transfer to an alternative setting. If the school doesn’t have the ability or resources to implement a successful FBA then the child needs to go to a more restrictive environment. One child cannot disrupt learning for the rest. And miss me with the complaints of racism. Why do you think black parents enroll their kids in KIPP?

Oh wow! You have a child with an IEP so you’re the expert? LMAO.
Is your child at KIPP? Or an ‘alternative setting.’ Don’t answer, even if they are you’re not an expert.

Do you not get why I mentioned connecting to a BES teacher?

Gah. This is why parents who are not teachers need not chime in. This school does have the resources, I legit listed them.

Also you have no clue if this child has a disability, stop. You can get a BIP without an IEP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher must have been very stressed out and couldn't think properly how to handle this. Hindsight is everything and it is clear that he was being baited into a trap by the student.

Teachers are required to take abuse from students, and that's why this job is so terrible. I feel very bad for the teacher, and it is pointless to say after the fact, but he should have walked away from this behavior. Call the admins to come in and deal with the situation. But he should not have engaged because this is exactly the reaction that the student wanted to get from him. It is not fair to teachers - but I have witnessed violence against teachers by students and the teachers never fight back because they know they would be the ones to pay a heavy price. Think of all those teachers who have stories to tell about how they were kicked, hit and bitten by students. They have to take the abuse and call admin for help. They're not allowed to "fight back." That's why they're running away from the profession. The stress and constant disrespect is not worth it.

That’s if the admin actually shows up when called. It’s really sad and there is no consequences or accountability for kids. DC’s ‘flagship’ middle school Deal is bleeding teachers every year.

This exactly. I teach at JR and had a student curse me out in class. I immediately called admin. No one showed up.
Teachers are on their own.

Then it is not a school you want to teach at.

While teaching is a terrible career, there are schools where students do not act this way. Teachers are in demand everywhere, you don't have to stay at a place where you're not supported against students abusing you.

Many all-Black schools would come down on that behavior like a ton of bricks. No way in hell would that be tolerated.

That's not true at all. Not in DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw the video. Black student angrily calls a White teacher the N-word. Teacher replies, "I'm not a n---." Student then tells the teacher, who happens to be gay, "Your life don't matter. You're a f-- [homophobic slur]." Teacher lost composure but it's not like the teacher called anyone the term. The student called him the term and he just repeated it to reject it. Lots of smoke but hardly any fire.

The student should be expelled. The teacher should get free counseling for having to deal with this abuse at work.

Sure. I’m sure if the student was white you’d have more empathy. No this student shouldn’t be expelled. They should have to write a minimum 6 page essay on why homophobia is wrong and the history of it. Plus counseling from the school.
Notice how I didn’t add suspension or expulsion, that crap doesn’t work. As a teacher myself, I have gotten a student suspended who said he’d rape me but ha. He was happy to miss school and came back worse. Luckily his parents were actually upset and started getting him counseling and they finally listened when I told them he may be bipolar.

This is a student, not a teacher. Expulsion is for extreme circumstances like real physical hard. Words hurt but I’m sure that teacher has heard worse. Some of these kids have zero boundaries.

Lol, a 6 page essay is more than any kids write cumulatively in their Wilson/JR careers.

Oh look, is the deranged Wilson poster, once again proving the s/he has never been within a mile of the school and doesn’t know any kids who go there. Of course, parents who actually know anything about the school realize that their kids will write dozens and dozens of 4-5 page essays every semester while there. Junior year, my kid typically had to write 2 five page essays a week… in Spanish. Then another several in Various other AP classes. Plus, of course, AP physics and calculus homework.

Deranged Wilson posted, looks like you couldn’t figure out how to work weird dystopian fiction about “beefs” in this thread. Better luck next time!

Was this 21-22?
because my JR did zero writing this year.

NP. Of course they write. My JR 10th grader finished writing a 5.5 page paper today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw the video. Black student angrily calls a White teacher the N-word. Teacher replies, "I'm not a n---." Student then tells the teacher, who happens to be gay, "Your life don't matter. You're a f-- [homophobic slur]." Teacher lost composure but it's not like the teacher called anyone the term. The student called him the term and he just repeated it to reject it. Lots of smoke but hardly any fire.

The student should be expelled. The teacher should get free counseling for having to deal with this abuse at work.

Sure. I’m sure if the student was white you’d have more empathy. No this student shouldn’t be expelled. They should have to write a minimum 6 page essay on why homophobia is wrong and the history of it. Plus counseling from the school.
Notice how I didn’t add suspension or expulsion, that crap doesn’t work. As a teacher myself, I have gotten a student suspended who said he’d rape me but ha. He was happy to miss school and came back worse. Luckily his parents were actually upset and started getting him counseling and they finally listened when I told them he may be bipolar.

This is a student, not a teacher. Expulsion is for extreme circumstances like real physical hard. Words hurt but I’m sure that teacher has heard worse. Some of these kids have zero boundaries.

Your argument is about as cogent as the current arguments against gun laws because "outlaws don't follow laws". We should then eliminate all laws I guess? Setting aside that I don't agree that suspensions don't work, the question I have for everyone who parrots that line is, don't work for whom? Even if suspensions and expulsions don't work for the perpetrator they surely work (i) to dissuade kids who otherwise might engage in behaviors but for actual consequences and (ii) to allow the other kids to have an environment appropriate for learning.

I think where you and I differ is in where our focus ought to be. I'm more worried about the other kids in the class than an unrepentant asshole who has engaged in the same disruptive behaviors for extended periods of time. I also call bullshit on this idea that the fact that minority kids are suspended and expelled at higher rates means we can't suspend or expel anyone. Those aren't binary choices, we only pretend they are because (i) it is hard to fix and (ii) the idea of "equity" and accusations of racism have made reform efforts untenable. I'd also call bullshit on the idea that only white parents want their kids in a stable educational environment. There's this idea that keeps surfacing that black parents want violent or disruptive black kids to remain in class because it is "antiracist". Black parents and kids have to live in America; by and large they don't have time for this kind of virtue signaling and they don't feel empowered when an asshole, disruptive, violent black student remains.

Sigh, way to take it to an extreme. It doesn’t work for anyone, so stop your implied ‘it just doesn’t work for POC kids.’
The US incarcerates at an extremely high rate and yet we have some of the most rampant crime in the world. You want punishments that make YOU feel better, they will not change the behavior. Sure, it could work for some children as a fear tactic but it will not change their mindset, their character.

These are children, wtf is the point of doling out a punishment to just be like, ‘you did a bad thing, here’s your punishment.’ Suspension and expulsion offer no reflection, no mindset change, no understanding.

Expulsion is the worse because all it does is help create criminals, if they are not in school to learn that their actions are wrong then what do you think they’ll be doing as an alternative? Do you actually understand the school to prison pipeline?

It is not just about the students who can follow the rules, it is about students with difficult home lives, trauma, ELL, sped, homeless, etc. students too. If you don’t want to deal then send your child to a private school.

The problem is DCPS does not actually make these students reflect in any meaningful way, they just allow them to continue to disrupt the class, which I am not for. This student obviously cannot regulate their emotions, how will suspension teach him that?

But you want to sit here and be as lazy as possible because that is what that is. Lazy, negligent, and using bad practices because YOU think it’s a black issue. Perhaps you did not mean it as such but I never said Black families do not care, you implied that’s what my stance is about.

No, white children from ‘good families’ can have awful kids, White kids are the ones mostly shooting up schools.

this is fresh bullsh*t and I say that as the mother of a child with an IEP and sometimes severely disruptive behavior. A child like this one needs to be assessed for disabilities and given clear consequences, including suspension and transfer to an alternative setting. If the school doesn’t have the ability or resources to implement a successful FBA then the child needs to go to a more restrictive environment. One child cannot disrupt learning for the rest. And miss me with the complaints of racism. Why do you think black parents enroll their kids in KIPP?

Oh wow! You have a child with an IEP so you’re the expert? LMAO.
Is your child at KIPP? Or an ‘alternative setting.’ Don’t answer, even if they are you’re not an expert.

Do you not get why I mentioned connecting to a BES teacher?

Gah. This is why parents who are not teachers need not chime in. This school does have the resources, I legit listed them.

Also you have no clue if this child has a disability, stop. You can get a BIP without an IEP.

I am likely more of an expert in IEPs, FBAs, and BIPs than you are.

The point is - discipline and removal of a highly disruptive child is necessary for that child and for the school as whole. If my child acted like this one, and the behavior showed no sign of abating despite implementing the IEP, he would have to be removed from general ed. I have faced that down and hate it, but it’s the right thing. and if he called his gay teacher a fag … I would want him to be suspended.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw the video. Black student angrily calls a White teacher the N-word. Teacher replies, "I'm not a n---." Student then tells the teacher, who happens to be gay, "Your life don't matter. You're a f-- [homophobic slur]." Teacher lost composure but it's not like the teacher called anyone the term. The student called him the term and he just repeated it to reject it. Lots of smoke but hardly any fire.

The student should be expelled. The teacher should get free counseling for having to deal with this abuse at work.

Sure. I’m sure if the student was white you’d have more empathy. No this student shouldn’t be expelled. They should have to write a minimum 6 page essay on why homophobia is wrong and the history of it. Plus counseling from the school.
Notice how I didn’t add suspension or expulsion, that crap doesn’t work. As a teacher myself, I have gotten a student suspended who said he’d rape me but ha. He was happy to miss school and came back worse. Luckily his parents were actually upset and started getting him counseling and they finally listened when I told them he may be bipolar.

This is a student, not a teacher. Expulsion is for extreme circumstances like real physical hard. Words hurt but I’m sure that teacher has heard worse. Some of these kids have zero boundaries.

Your argument is about as cogent as the current arguments against gun laws because "outlaws don't follow laws". We should then eliminate all laws I guess? Setting aside that I don't agree that suspensions don't work, the question I have for everyone who parrots that line is, don't work for whom? Even if suspensions and expulsions don't work for the perpetrator they surely work (i) to dissuade kids who otherwise might engage in behaviors but for actual consequences and (ii) to allow the other kids to have an environment appropriate for learning.

I think where you and I differ is in where our focus ought to be. I'm more worried about the other kids in the class than an unrepentant asshole who has engaged in the same disruptive behaviors for extended periods of time. I also call bullshit on this idea that the fact that minority kids are suspended and expelled at higher rates means we can't suspend or expel anyone. Those aren't binary choices, we only pretend they are because (i) it is hard to fix and (ii) the idea of "equity" and accusations of racism have made reform efforts untenable. I'd also call bullshit on the idea that only white parents want their kids in a stable educational environment. There's this idea that keeps surfacing that black parents want violent or disruptive black kids to remain in class because it is "antiracist". Black parents and kids have to live in America; by and large they don't have time for this kind of virtue signaling and they don't feel empowered when an asshole, disruptive, violent black student remains.

Sigh, way to take it to an extreme. It doesn’t work for anyone, so stop your implied ‘it just doesn’t work for POC kids.’
The US incarcerates at an extremely high rate and yet we have some of the most rampant crime in the world. You want punishments that make YOU feel better, they will not change the behavior. Sure, it could work for some children as a fear tactic but it will not change their mindset, their character.

These are children, wtf is the point of doling out a punishment to just be like, ‘you did a bad thing, here’s your punishment.’ Suspension and expulsion offer no reflection, no mindset change, no understanding.

Expulsion is the worse because all it does is help create criminals, if they are not in school to learn that their actions are wrong then what do you think they’ll be doing as an alternative? Do you actually understand the school to prison pipeline?

It is not just about the students who can follow the rules, it is about students with difficult home lives, trauma, ELL, sped, homeless, etc. students too. If you don’t want to deal then send your child to a private school.

The problem is DCPS does not actually make these students reflect in any meaningful way, they just allow them to continue to disrupt the class, which I am not for. This student obviously cannot regulate their emotions, how will suspension teach him that?

But you want to sit here and be as lazy as possible because that is what that is. Lazy, negligent, and using bad practices because YOU think it’s a black issue. Perhaps you did not mean it as such but I never said Black families do not care, you implied that’s what my stance is about.

No, white children from ‘good families’ can have awful kids, White kids are the ones mostly shooting up schools.

this is fresh bullsh*t and I say that as the mother of a child with an IEP and sometimes severely disruptive behavior. A child like this one needs to be assessed for disabilities and given clear consequences, including suspension and transfer to an alternative setting. If the school doesn’t have the ability or resources to implement a successful FBA then the child needs to go to a more restrictive environment. One child cannot disrupt learning for the rest. And miss me with the complaints of racism. Why do you think black parents enroll their kids in KIPP?

Oh wow! You have a child with an IEP so you’re the expert? LMAO.
Is your child at KIPP? Or an ‘alternative setting.’ Don’t answer, even if they are you’re not an expert.

Do you not get why I mentioned connecting to a BES teacher?

Gah. This is why parents who are not teachers need not chime in. This school does have the resources, I legit listed them.

Also you have no clue if this child has a disability, stop. You can get a BIP without an IEP.

I am likely more of an expert in IEPs, FBAs, and BIPs than you are.

The point is - discipline and removal of a highly disruptive child is necessary for that child and for the school as whole. If my child acted like this one, and the behavior showed no sign of abating despite implementing the IEP, he would have to be removed from general ed. I have faced that down and hate it, but it’s the right thing. and if he called his gay teacher a fag … I would want him to be suspended.

What are your credentials?

I am a special education teacher with a bachelor’s in psychology/a teacher credentialing program
Master’s in special education/ABA certification
And in my final year for PhD in behavioral psyc.
I am also a BCBA
Last, I’m an avid learner of conscious discipline and emotional regulation practices.

So no, no I do not think you are more of an expert. And at no point did I ever say, the child should just stay in the classroom. I said no to out of school suspension and expulsion, unless it was harmful physical violence.

You may need to remove the student, that is a given. No one asked what you’d ‘want’ for your personal child, it is about what this student needs and what supports have actually been given to him and the teacher. If you have a child with a disability you should also know you cannot force a child into sped, self contained, or an alt placement without parent permission.

Also why are you jumping? We have no idea if this student has an IEP or a BIP! If he does it’s a piss poor one.

Anyway I need to stop replying, it’s not like I can personally help this student or this teacher by talking to parents on here. I jumped in to offer another perspective as someone who works with students who choke others, break glass windows, spit on you, purposely try and throw up because they know you may have to clean it, if you are at a school with slow on nonexistent custodians, etc.

Teachers deal with some vile sh*t sometimes but at the end of the day these are kids who need serious help. I will concede that sometimes they do need another placement, just don’t know this kid and neither do you.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw the video. Black student angrily calls a White teacher the N-word. Teacher replies, "I'm not a n---." Student then tells the teacher, who happens to be gay, "Your life don't matter. You're a f-- [homophobic slur]." Teacher lost composure but it's not like the teacher called anyone the term. The student called him the term and he just repeated it to reject it. Lots of smoke but hardly any fire.

The student should be expelled. The teacher should get free counseling for having to deal with this abuse at work.

Sure. I’m sure if the student was white you’d have more empathy. No this student shouldn’t be expelled. They should have to write a minimum 6 page essay on why homophobia is wrong and the history of it. Plus counseling from the school.
Notice how I didn’t add suspension or expulsion, that crap doesn’t work. As a teacher myself, I have gotten a student suspended who said he’d rape me but ha. He was happy to miss school and came back worse. Luckily his parents were actually upset and started getting him counseling and they finally listened when I told them he may be bipolar.

This is a student, not a teacher. Expulsion is for extreme circumstances like real physical hard. Words hurt but I’m sure that teacher has heard worse. Some of these kids have zero boundaries.

Your argument is about as cogent as the current arguments against gun laws because "outlaws don't follow laws". We should then eliminate all laws I guess? Setting aside that I don't agree that suspensions don't work, the question I have for everyone who parrots that line is, don't work for whom? Even if suspensions and expulsions don't work for the perpetrator they surely work (i) to dissuade kids who otherwise might engage in behaviors but for actual consequences and (ii) to allow the other kids to have an environment appropriate for learning.

I think where you and I differ is in where our focus ought to be. I'm more worried about the other kids in the class than an unrepentant asshole who has engaged in the same disruptive behaviors for extended periods of time. I also call bullshit on this idea that the fact that minority kids are suspended and expelled at higher rates means we can't suspend or expel anyone. Those aren't binary choices, we only pretend they are because (i) it is hard to fix and (ii) the idea of "equity" and accusations of racism have made reform efforts untenable. I'd also call bullshit on the idea that only white parents want their kids in a stable educational environment. There's this idea that keeps surfacing that black parents want violent or disruptive black kids to remain in class because it is "antiracist". Black parents and kids have to live in America; by and large they don't have time for this kind of virtue signaling and they don't feel empowered when an asshole, disruptive, violent black student remains.

Sigh, way to take it to an extreme. It doesn’t work for anyone, so stop your implied ‘it just doesn’t work for POC kids.’
The US incarcerates at an extremely high rate and yet we have some of the most rampant crime in the world. You want punishments that make YOU feel better, they will not change the behavior. Sure, it could work for some children as a fear tactic but it will not change their mindset, their character.

These are children, wtf is the point of doling out a punishment to just be like, ‘you did a bad thing, here’s your punishment.’ Suspension and expulsion offer no reflection, no mindset change, no understanding.

Expulsion is the worse because all it does is help create criminals, if they are not in school to learn that their actions are wrong then what do you think they’ll be doing as an alternative? Do you actually understand the school to prison pipeline?

It is not just about the students who can follow the rules, it is about students with difficult home lives, trauma, ELL, sped, homeless, etc. students too. If you don’t want to deal then send your child to a private school.

The problem is DCPS does not actually make these students reflect in any meaningful way, they just allow them to continue to disrupt the class, which I am not for. This student obviously cannot regulate their emotions, how will suspension teach him that?

But you want to sit here and be as lazy as possible because that is what that is. Lazy, negligent, and using bad practices because YOU think it’s a black issue. Perhaps you did not mean it as such but I never said Black families do not care, you implied that’s what my stance is about.

No, white children from ‘good families’ can have awful kids, White kids are the ones mostly shooting up schools.

this is fresh bullsh*t and I say that as the mother of a child with an IEP and sometimes severely disruptive behavior. A child like this one needs to be assessed for disabilities and given clear consequences, including suspension and transfer to an alternative setting. If the school doesn’t have the ability or resources to implement a successful FBA then the child needs to go to a more restrictive environment. One child cannot disrupt learning for the rest. And miss me with the complaints of racism. Why do you think black parents enroll their kids in KIPP?

Oh wow! You have a child with an IEP so you’re the expert? LMAO.
Is your child at KIPP? Or an ‘alternative setting.’ Don’t answer, even if they are you’re not an expert.

Do you not get why I mentioned connecting to a BES teacher?

Gah. This is why parents who are not teachers need not chime in. This school does have the resources, I legit listed them.

Also you have no clue if this child has a disability, stop. You can get a BIP without an IEP.

I am likely more of an expert in IEPs, FBAs, and BIPs than you are.

The point is - discipline and removal of a highly disruptive child is necessary for that child and for the school as whole. If my child acted like this one, and the behavior showed no sign of abating despite implementing the IEP, he would have to be removed from general ed. I have faced that down and hate it, but it’s the right thing. and if he called his gay teacher a fag … I would want him to be suspended.

What are your credentials?

I am a special education teacher with a bachelor’s in psychology/a teacher credentialing program
Master’s in special education/ABA certification
And in my final year for PhD in behavioral psyc.
I am also a BCBA
Last, I’m an avid learner of conscious discipline and emotional regulation practices.

So no, no I do not think you are more of an expert. And at no point did I ever say, the child should just stay in the classroom. I said no to out of school suspension and expulsion, unless it was harmful physical violence.

You may need to remove the student, that is a given. No one asked what you’d ‘want’ for your personal child, it is about what this student needs and what supports have actually been given to him and the teacher. If you have a child with a disability you should also know you cannot force a child into sped, self contained, or an alt placement without parent permission.

Also why are you jumping? We have no idea if this student has an IEP or a BIP! If he does it’s a piss poor one.

Anyway I need to stop replying, it’s not like I can personally help this student or this teacher by talking to parents on here. I jumped in to offer another perspective as someone who works with students who choke others, break glass windows, spit on you, purposely try and throw up because they know you may have to clean it, if you are at a school with slow on nonexistent custodians, etc.

Teachers deal with some vile sh*t sometimes but at the end of the day these are kids who need serious help. I will concede that sometimes they do need another placement, just don’t know this kid and neither do you.

They need help and I have a lot of sympathy for them but they should not be in a general Ed. Classroom with 30+ other students. General Ed. Teachers do not have the time or the training to deal with kids with high level trauma/special Ed. Needs.
Trying to deal with the one student with severe problems disrupts the learning of 30 other students. How is that fair?

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Anonymous wrote:I saw the video. Black student angrily calls a White teacher the N-word. Teacher replies, "I'm not a n---." Student then tells the teacher, who happens to be gay, "Your life don't matter. You're a f-- [homophobic slur]." Teacher lost composure but it's not like the teacher called anyone the term. The student called him the term and he just repeated it to reject it. Lots of smoke but hardly any fire.

The student should be expelled. The teacher should get free counseling for having to deal with this abuse at work.

Sure. I’m sure if the student was white you’d have more empathy. No this student shouldn’t be expelled. They should have to write a minimum 6 page essay on why homophobia is wrong and the history of it. Plus counseling from the school.
Notice how I didn’t add suspension or expulsion, that crap doesn’t work. As a teacher myself, I have gotten a student suspended who said he’d rape me but ha. He was happy to miss school and came back worse. Luckily his parents were actually upset and started getting him counseling and they finally listened when I told them he may be bipolar.

This is a student, not a teacher. Expulsion is for extreme circumstances like real physical hard. Words hurt but I’m sure that teacher has heard worse. Some of these kids have zero boundaries.

Your argument is about as cogent as the current arguments against gun laws because "outlaws don't follow laws". We should then eliminate all laws I guess? Setting aside that I don't agree that suspensions don't work, the question I have for everyone who parrots that line is, don't work for whom? Even if suspensions and expulsions don't work for the perpetrator they surely work (i) to dissuade kids who otherwise might engage in behaviors but for actual consequences and (ii) to allow the other kids to have an environment appropriate for learning.

I think where you and I differ is in where our focus ought to be. I'm more worried about the other kids in the class than an unrepentant asshole who has engaged in the same disruptive behaviors for extended periods of time. I also call bullshit on this idea that the fact that minority kids are suspended and expelled at higher rates means we can't suspend or expel anyone. Those aren't binary choices, we only pretend they are because (i) it is hard to fix and (ii) the idea of "equity" and accusations of racism have made reform efforts untenable. I'd also call bullshit on the idea that only white parents want their kids in a stable educational environment. There's this idea that keeps surfacing that black parents want violent or disruptive black kids to remain in class because it is "antiracist". Black parents and kids have to live in America; by and large they don't have time for this kind of virtue signaling and they don't feel empowered when an asshole, disruptive, violent black student remains.

Sigh, way to take it to an extreme. It doesn’t work for anyone, so stop your implied ‘it just doesn’t work for POC kids.’
The US incarcerates at an extremely high rate and yet we have some of the most rampant crime in the world. You want punishments that make YOU feel better, they will not change the behavior. Sure, it could work for some children as a fear tactic but it will not change their mindset, their character.

These are children, wtf is the point of doling out a punishment to just be like, ‘you did a bad thing, here’s your punishment.’ Suspension and expulsion offer no reflection, no mindset change, no understanding.

Expulsion is the worse because all it does is help create criminals, if they are not in school to learn that their actions are wrong then what do you think they’ll be doing as an alternative? Do you actually understand the school to prison pipeline?

It is not just about the students who can follow the rules, it is about students with difficult home lives, trauma, ELL, sped, homeless, etc. students too. If you don’t want to deal then send your child to a private school.

The problem is DCPS does not actually make these students reflect in any meaningful way, they just allow them to continue to disrupt the class, which I am not for. This student obviously cannot regulate their emotions, how will suspension teach him that?

But you want to sit here and be as lazy as possible because that is what that is. Lazy, negligent, and using bad practices because YOU think it’s a black issue. Perhaps you did not mean it as such but I never said Black families do not care, you implied that’s what my stance is about.

No, white children from ‘good families’ can have awful kids, White kids are the ones mostly shooting up schools.

this is fresh bullsh*t and I say that as the mother of a child with an IEP and sometimes severely disruptive behavior. A child like this one needs to be assessed for disabilities and given clear consequences, including suspension and transfer to an alternative setting. If the school doesn’t have the ability or resources to implement a successful FBA then the child needs to go to a more restrictive environment. One child cannot disrupt learning for the rest. And miss me with the complaints of racism. Why do you think black parents enroll their kids in KIPP?

Oh wow! You have a child with an IEP so you’re the expert? LMAO.
Is your child at KIPP? Or an ‘alternative setting.’ Don’t answer, even if they are you’re not an expert.

Do you not get why I mentioned connecting to a BES teacher?

Gah. This is why parents who are not teachers need not chime in. This school does have the resources, I legit listed them.

Also you have no clue if this child has a disability, stop. You can get a BIP without an IEP.

I am likely more of an expert in IEPs, FBAs, and BIPs than you are.

The point is - discipline and removal of a highly disruptive child is necessary for that child and for the school as whole. If my child acted like this one, and the behavior showed no sign of abating despite implementing the IEP, he would have to be removed from general ed. I have faced that down and hate it, but it’s the right thing. and if he called his gay teacher a fag … I would want him to be suspended.

What are your credentials?

I am a special education teacher with a bachelor’s in psychology/a teacher credentialing program
Master’s in special education/ABA certification
And in my final year for PhD in behavioral psyc.
I am also a BCBA
Last, I’m an avid learner of conscious discipline and emotional regulation practices.

So no, no I do not think you are more of an expert. And at no point did I ever say, the child should just stay in the classroom. I said no to out of school suspension and expulsion, unless it was harmful physical violence.

You may need to remove the student, that is a given. No one asked what you’d ‘want’ for your personal child, it is about what this student needs and what supports have actually been given to him and the teacher. If you have a child with a disability you should also know you cannot force a child into sped, self contained, or an alt placement without parent permission.

Also why are you jumping? We have no idea if this student has an IEP or a BIP! If he does it’s a piss poor one.

Anyway I need to stop replying, it’s not like I can personally help this student or this teacher by talking to parents on here. I jumped in to offer another perspective as someone who works with students who choke others, break glass windows, spit on you, purposely try and throw up because they know you may have to clean it, if you are at a school with slow on nonexistent custodians, etc.

Teachers deal with some vile sh*t sometimes but at the end of the day these are kids who need serious help. I will concede that sometimes they do need another placement, just don’t know this kid and neither do you.

lol no, you don’t know more than I do, based on the numerous legal errors in your post. I’m sure you know and care about what you do.

This kid needs to be removed from the classroom. He’s been doing this all year. The school is unable to fix the situation and it’s not doing anyone any good to leave him there, least of all him.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw the video. Black student angrily calls a White teacher the N-word. Teacher replies, "I'm not a n---." Student then tells the teacher, who happens to be gay, "Your life don't matter. You're a f-- [homophobic slur]." Teacher lost composure but it's not like the teacher called anyone the term. The student called him the term and he just repeated it to reject it. Lots of smoke but hardly any fire.

The student should be expelled. The teacher should get free counseling for having to deal with this abuse at work.

Sure. I’m sure if the student was white you’d have more empathy. No this student shouldn’t be expelled. They should have to write a minimum 6 page essay on why homophobia is wrong and the history of it. Plus counseling from the school.
Notice how I didn’t add suspension or expulsion, that crap doesn’t work. As a teacher myself, I have gotten a student suspended who said he’d rape me but ha. He was happy to miss school and came back worse. Luckily his parents were actually upset and started getting him counseling and they finally listened when I told them he may be bipolar.

This is a student, not a teacher. Expulsion is for extreme circumstances like real physical hard. Words hurt but I’m sure that teacher has heard worse. Some of these kids have zero boundaries.

Your argument is about as cogent as the current arguments against gun laws because "outlaws don't follow laws". We should then eliminate all laws I guess? Setting aside that I don't agree that suspensions don't work, the question I have for everyone who parrots that line is, don't work for whom? Even if suspensions and expulsions don't work for the perpetrator they surely work (i) to dissuade kids who otherwise might engage in behaviors but for actual consequences and (ii) to allow the other kids to have an environment appropriate for learning.

I think where you and I differ is in where our focus ought to be. I'm more worried about the other kids in the class than an unrepentant asshole who has engaged in the same disruptive behaviors for extended periods of time. I also call bullshit on this idea that the fact that minority kids are suspended and expelled at higher rates means we can't suspend or expel anyone. Those aren't binary choices, we only pretend they are because (i) it is hard to fix and (ii) the idea of "equity" and accusations of racism have made reform efforts untenable. I'd also call bullshit on the idea that only white parents want their kids in a stable educational environment. There's this idea that keeps surfacing that black parents want violent or disruptive black kids to remain in class because it is "antiracist". Black parents and kids have to live in America; by and large they don't have time for this kind of virtue signaling and they don't feel empowered when an asshole, disruptive, violent black student remains.

Sigh, way to take it to an extreme. It doesn’t work for anyone, so stop your implied ‘it just doesn’t work for POC kids.’
The US incarcerates at an extremely high rate and yet we have some of the most rampant crime in the world. You want punishments that make YOU feel better, they will not change the behavior. Sure, it could work for some children as a fear tactic but it will not change their mindset, their character.

These are children, wtf is the point of doling out a punishment to just be like, ‘you did a bad thing, here’s your punishment.’ Suspension and expulsion offer no reflection, no mindset change, no understanding.

Expulsion is the worse because all it does is help create criminals, if they are not in school to learn that their actions are wrong then what do you think they’ll be doing as an alternative? Do you actually understand the school to prison pipeline?

It is not just about the students who can follow the rules, it is about students with difficult home lives, trauma, ELL, sped, homeless, etc. students too. If you don’t want to deal then send your child to a private school.

The problem is DCPS does not actually make these students reflect in any meaningful way, they just allow them to continue to disrupt the class, which I am not for. This student obviously cannot regulate their emotions, how will suspension teach him that?

But you want to sit here and be as lazy as possible because that is what that is. Lazy, negligent, and using bad practices because YOU think it’s a black issue. Perhaps you did not mean it as such but I never said Black families do not care, you implied that’s what my stance is about.

No, white children from ‘good families’ can have awful kids, White kids are the ones mostly shooting up schools.

this is fresh bullsh*t and I say that as the mother of a child with an IEP and sometimes severely disruptive behavior. A child like this one needs to be assessed for disabilities and given clear consequences, including suspension and transfer to an alternative setting. If the school doesn’t have the ability or resources to implement a successful FBA then the child needs to go to a more restrictive environment. One child cannot disrupt learning for the rest. And miss me with the complaints of racism. Why do you think black parents enroll their kids in KIPP?

Oh wow! You have a child with an IEP so you’re the expert? LMAO.
Is your child at KIPP? Or an ‘alternative setting.’ Don’t answer, even if they are you’re not an expert.

Do you not get why I mentioned connecting to a BES teacher?

Gah. This is why parents who are not teachers need not chime in. This school does have the resources, I legit listed them.

Also you have no clue if this child has a disability, stop. You can get a BIP without an IEP.

I am likely more of an expert in IEPs, FBAs, and BIPs than you are.

The point is - discipline and removal of a highly disruptive child is necessary for that child and for the school as whole. If my child acted like this one, and the behavior showed no sign of abating despite implementing the IEP, he would have to be removed from general ed. I have faced that down and hate it, but it’s the right thing. and if he called his gay teacher a fag … I would want him to be suspended.

What are your credentials?

I am a special education teacher with a bachelor’s in psychology/a teacher credentialing program
Master’s in special education/ABA certification
And in my final year for PhD in behavioral psyc.
I am also a BCBA
Last, I’m an avid learner of conscious discipline and emotional regulation practices.

So no, no I do not think you are more of an expert. And at no point did I ever say, the child should just stay in the classroom. I said no to out of school suspension and expulsion, unless it was harmful physical violence.

You may need to remove the student, that is a given. No one asked what you’d ‘want’ for your personal child, it is about what this student needs and what supports have actually been given to him and the teacher. If you have a child with a disability you should also know you cannot force a child into sped, self contained, or an alt placement without parent permission.

Also why are you jumping? We have no idea if this student has an IEP or a BIP! If he does it’s a piss poor one.

Anyway I need to stop replying, it’s not like I can personally help this student or this teacher by talking to parents on here. I jumped in to offer another perspective as someone who works with students who choke others, break glass windows, spit on you, purposely try and throw up because they know you may have to clean it, if you are at a school with slow on nonexistent custodians, etc.

Teachers deal with some vile sh*t sometimes but at the end of the day these are kids who need serious help. I will concede that sometimes they do need another placement, just don’t know this kid and neither do you.

Here is the bottom line. This student has ongoing and repeated abuse and behavior issues. He is not being removed from the class. He is disrupting the class, demeaning the teacher, and preventing learning happening in the classroom for all the other students.

You live in an ideal world with your lines of what “should” be happening. Reality is it’s obviously not happening. So until DCPS can rectify that problem, the teacher and the students, who are the overwhelming majority, should be supported and not excuses made for the student that the system has failed. That is if there is even a reason to explain his behavior.