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Anonymous
Lol, a 6 page essay is more than any kids write cumulatively in their Wilson/JR careers. |
Anonymous
Do you think the student’s parents were influenced to get him help by the school’s decision to impose actual consequences that the parents finally noticed - an out of school suspension? I agree the JR student should not be expelled and should get counseling. I disagree that he should not be suspended. He should be removed from the classroom so the teacher (probably more than one teacher) and other students whose education he is regularly disrupting get a few days break from him. And yes, I know this will not happen in the current climate. Everyone in that building knows nothing will happen. |
Anonymous
Your argument is about as cogent as the current arguments against gun laws because "outlaws don't follow laws". We should then eliminate all laws I guess? Setting aside that I don't agree that suspensions don't work, the question I have for everyone who parrots that line is, don't work for whom? Even if suspensions and expulsions don't work for the perpetrator they surely work (i) to dissuade kids who otherwise might engage in behaviors but for actual consequences and (ii) to allow the other kids to have an environment appropriate for learning. I think where you and I differ is in where our focus ought to be. I'm more worried about the other kids in the class than an unrepentant asshole who has engaged in the same disruptive behaviors for extended periods of time. I also call bullshit on this idea that the fact that minority kids are suspended and expelled at higher rates means we can't suspend or expel anyone. Those aren't binary choices, we only pretend they are because (i) it is hard to fix and (ii) the idea of "equity" and accusations of racism have made reform efforts untenable. I'd also call bullshit on the idea that only white parents want their kids in a stable educational environment. There's this idea that keeps surfacing that black parents want violent or disruptive black kids to remain in class because it is "antiracist". Black parents and kids have to live in America; by and large they don't have time for this kind of virtue signaling and they don't feel empowered when an asshole, disruptive, violent black student remains. |
Anonymous
And when he doesn't write it, or (more likely) turns in 6 pages of nothing but "F****tt, F****tt,F****tt,F****tt,F****tt,F****tt,F****tt,", what are you gonna do then? He knows he won't be suspended or expelled so why should he care? Or are you ok suspending or expelling him for written words but not for the underlying behaviors? Seriously, what happens after he tells you to "go f*** yourself" when you assign him a 6 page essay? I want to know. |
Anonymous
This is not a 1 time event. This student has repeatedly been verbally abusing the teacher and co-teacher. He has a known history of being an abuser to how many teachers or students I don’t know. Get him evaluated if you think there is mental health and if not, suspend him or move him to a disciplinary school. It blows my mind that teachers and students have to put up with this s*t. |
Anonymous
Thank you. I am a high school teacher and I agree with your perspective |
Anonymous
This exactly. I teach at JR and had a student curse me out in class. I immediately called admin. No one showed up. Teachers are on their own. |
Anonymous
| Kid should be expelled. |
Anonymous
I honestly appreciate the viewpoint you have been providing in this thread, but I have to ask if the example you provided actually showed that the suspension can have a positive impact. I realize the kid may returned with the same attitude, but it sounds like it did serve as a wake up call to the parents which caused some action on their part. |
Anonymous
Then it is not a school you want to teach at. While teaching is a terrible career, there are schools where students do not act this way. Teachers are in demand everywhere, you don't have to stay at a place where you're not supported against students abusing you. |
Anonymous
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Most parents are afraid of their kids. Their afraid of making this kids mad, sad, upset, setting boundaries ect
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Anonymous
Many all-Black schools would come down on that behavior like a ton of bricks. No way in hell would that be tolerated. |
Anonymous
Sigh, way to take it to an extreme. It doesn’t work for anyone, so stop your implied ‘it just doesn’t work for POC kids.’ The US incarcerates at an extremely high rate and yet we have some of the most rampant crime in the world. You want punishments that make YOU feel better, they will not change the behavior. Sure, it could work for some children as a fear tactic but it will not change their mindset, their character. These are children, wtf is the point of doling out a punishment to just be like, ‘you did a bad thing, here’s your punishment.’ Suspension and expulsion offer no reflection, no mindset change, no understanding. Expulsion is the worse because all it does is help create criminals, if they are not in school to learn that their actions are wrong then what do you think they’ll be doing as an alternative? Do you actually understand the school to prison pipeline? It is not just about the students who can follow the rules, it is about students with difficult home lives, trauma, ELL, sped, homeless, etc. students too. If you don’t want to deal then send your child to a private school. The problem is DCPS does not actually make these students reflect in any meaningful way, they just allow them to continue to disrupt the class, which I am not for. This student obviously cannot regulate their emotions, how will suspension teach him that? But you want to sit here and be as lazy as possible because that is what that is. Lazy, negligent, and using bad practices because YOU think it’s a black issue. Perhaps you did not mean it as such but I never said Black families do not care, you implied that’s what my stance is about. No, white children from ‘good families’ can have awful kids, White kids are the ones mostly shooting up schools. |
Anonymous
No, it’s not an example. I’m trying to ensure no one finds out who the student was so I was purposely vague. I talked to the parents myself and with mental health team members. They did not magically come to this conclusion. It was through many tearful meetings and talks that they finally realized their son needed help. It wasn’t just because school is hard and I am a ‘strict’ teacher. It took them a long time to know I cared, it wasn’t for show, and I was not their to judge them. Suspension does not work. Perhaps I’d be for in-school suspension if the school could actually run it correctly. As in with a counselor, social worker, and some type of educator to help maintain academic strength. But often times, it’s a joke. |
Anonymous
Answering again lol. Don’t you think that’s an issue with the school and his parents? Again this is a child, who clearly needs boundaries. Boundaries that clearly the school has been unable to support the teacher with nor the parents. If this was my student the first time, I’d say nothing and call his parents after informing my obviously useless admin. If the parents are useless too, I’d try to build our relationship. In the meantime I am going to connect with the In school suspension coordinator, social worker, restorative justice coordinator, school counselor, and maybe the psychologist and one of the BES teachers. And yes, I looked at the school’s budget, they have all of these. You know what this child is going to get? A FBA and then a BIP. Does this child even have one? Like if it has been going on for so long the plan isn’t working so that means a new plan. If the teacher of the student and para is reading this, you should NOT have to deal with this alone. Make those people help you, it’s part of their job! (- the BES teachers) |