Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Well you made it possible. The school had everything in the way of security you and the NRA wanted. It did nothing but you are more concerned about the gunman easy access…lol. It is easy access to guns. You are a disgusting NRA/republicans.

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

Out west, a lot of schools either have classrooms that open to the outside, or they’re a series of small buildings with multiple entrances. It’s not like there’s only one way in and out. The layout at Robb sounds a lot like my kids’ elementary school in CA. It’s a long building with a main hall, classrooms on both sides, and a door to each class that leads to the hallway, and a door to each class that opens to the outside. The common room/cafeteria and library each have one entrance from the hallway and 2 or 3 doors to the outside. All the classrooms and offices have lots of windows because natural light is so good for everyone.

The point is, it’s not like schools back east where you have a main entrance and have to be inside the school to access classrooms. They can’t be secured the same way or have a guard posted at every entrance. Their elementary school probably has 30 entrances.

Yup, I'm originally from California and all my schools were like this. Sure, there's fencing around the school and a main entrance where you need to officially check-in to get on campus. But my HS was probably 10 acres with probably 2500 linear feet of chain link fencing surround the property. You could scale that fence with a firearm and run from building to building, where each classroom had one or two doors opening onto an outdoor courtyard or covered walkway.

People from the East Coast or Midwest don't get this, as winters usually require one or two single large buildings that are connected indoors to all amenities. Schools in the west and southwest have a lot more outdoor access and a series of small buildings that are pretty much impossible to centrally defend and monitor.

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Don't forget "Signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage." #RepublicanWisdom

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget "Signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage." #RepublicanWisdom

I thought these guys hate Virtue Signaling? #RepublicanWisdom

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Anonymous wrote:Don't forget "Signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage." #RepublicanWisdom

I thought these guys hate Virtue Signaling? #RepublicanWisdom

You are so confused. Remember:

Macho Toxic Masculinity=Good

Sensitive Empathetic Femininity=Bad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

Out west, a lot of schools either have classrooms that open to the outside, or they’re a series of small buildings with multiple entrances. It’s not like there’s only one way in and out. The layout at Robb sounds a lot like my kids’ elementary school in CA. It’s a long building with a main hall, classrooms on both sides, and a door to each class that leads to the hallway, and a door to each class that opens to the outside. The common room/cafeteria and library each have one entrance from the hallway and 2 or 3 doors to the outside. All the classrooms and offices have lots of windows because natural light is so good for everyone.

The point is, it’s not like schools back east where you have a main entrance and have to be inside the school to access classrooms. They can’t be secured the same way or have a guard posted at every entrance. Their elementary school probably has 30 entrances.

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[Anonymous]

I’m hoping this horrific incident helps people understand what the police are. They have no duty to save you or a classroom full of children from danger. None at all. This has been litigated in different contexts around the country.

You can ask yourself why we pour so much money into policing, as well as outfit them like they’re going to war, if they have no duty of safety to the general public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From CNN:

“Miah said she was scared the gunman would return to her classroom to kill her and a few other surviving friends. So, she dipped her hands in the blood of a classmate – who lay next to her, already dead — and then smeared the blood all over herself to play dead…She said afterwards, she overheard talk of police waiting outside the school. As she recounted this part of the story during the interview, she started crying, saying she just didn’t understand why they didn’t come inside and rescue them.“

How anyone can hear her story and not want some police and gun law reforms is beyond me. Also the story from the little boy who said he was in the room and heard the police tell them to yell if you need help. His classmate called out for help and the shooter found her hiding and killed her. This is some f***ed up hunger games/long walk/rage stuff going on here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m hoping this horrific incident helps people understand what the police are. They have no duty to save you or a classroom full of children from danger. None at all. This has been litigated in different contexts around the country.

You can ask yourself why we pour so much money into policing, as well as outfit them like they’re going to war, if they have no duty of safety to the general public.

Honestly, its an expensive jobs program to keep 90% of those idle hands out of something more dangerous for the rest of us.

10% are passionately doing the Lord's work and 90% are just kept busy maintaining a perimeter. Those 90% are 20-and-done, while the effective 10% actually make a long career out of it.

[Anonymous]

I never thought I'd be thankful that the CBP are crazy and trigger-happy. Thank you CBP officer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m hoping this horrific incident helps people understand what the police are. They have no duty to save you or a classroom full of children from danger. None at all. This has been litigated in different contexts around the country.

You can ask yourself why we pour so much money into policing, as well as outfit them like they’re going to war, if they have no duty of safety to the general public.

Don’t stop posting this. I’m with you. I’ve done reading and had a lot of conversations about the birth of policing and how it actually functions in this country, and I want people to have some ongoing awareness about this. We can make reforms if we understand what we’re looking at.

That photo of the Uvalde SWAT team is a sick joke. It’s just stomach turning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m hoping this horrific incident helps people understand what the police are. They have no duty to save you or a classroom full of children from danger. None at all. This has been litigated in different contexts around the country.

You can ask yourself why we pour so much money into policing, as well as outfit them like they’re going to war, if they have no duty of safety to the general public.

Because if you suggest diverting some of the money they use on their fancy toys and essential training, you’re accused of wanting to completely disband police, let criminals rule, open borders, hug terrorists, oppress small business owners & real Americans, and murder babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From CNN:

“Miah said she was scared the gunman would return to her classroom to kill her and a few other surviving friends. So, she dipped her hands in the blood of a classmate – who lay next to her, already dead — and then smeared the blood all over herself to play dead…She said afterwards, she overheard talk of police waiting outside the school. As she recounted this part of the story during the interview, she started crying, saying she just didn’t understand why they didn’t come inside and rescue them.“

How anyone can hear her story and not want some police and gun law reforms is beyond me. Also the story from the little boy who said he was in the room and heard the police tell them to yell if you need help. His classmate called out for help and the shooter found her hiding and killed her. This is some f***ed up hunger games/long walk/rage stuff going on here.

Y'all cain't take away mah freedom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never thought I'd be thankful that the CBP are crazy and trigger-happy. Thank you CBP officer.

He wasn't trigger happy. He was well-trained and had the equipment to handle the situation. Pathetically, the police already on the scene should've handled it. Instead, they waited for this guy to drive 40 minutes to end the siege.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Law enforcement was too scared and too self-centered to do anything other than threaten parents. If it wasnt for a border patrol officer eating lunch 40 miles away nobody would have ever gone in. We have found the weakest link. It wasn't a fence. It wasn't a door. It wasn't a sign. It was the local cops. Local cops that are fully kitted out as if they were SF. Local cops that have a SWAT team in a 16,000 person town. Local cops that get 40% of the town's budget. Local cops that got hazard pay for standing around a perimeter. Local cops that stood around and watched as a classroom of kids got slaughtered.

Sing it, my friend. Not a single refutable point in your post.