Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Why did it take them over an hour to make it a school a mile away? Wait they never showed up right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You know what would solve this problem? Police in schools. OH we have police in schools? Well then, MORE police in schools. Maybe we should just make schools into police stations. That will solve our problems!

No, we need sharpshooters in every school. At every possible entrance.

Duh.

There was no armed officer inside the school and the doors were unlocked, and children died. No amount of your sarcasm can change that. But if the doors were locked and there was an armed officer inside, chances are that the gunman would not have gotten in at all.

If an 18yo couldn’t buy an AR-15 he wouldn’t have been there at all.

Exactly.

Do all these armed guard folks work for the gun industry? Funny how the nra solution involves thousands and thousands of schools districts having to buy more and more weapons. F off nra. We want less of these horrible weapons, not more

THANK YOU

I don't WANT to live in a world that is set up like a prison! I want people not to be walking around with military weapons that any violent yahoo can buy from a corner effing stoe!

There will still be violent crime. Plenty of it in fact. Who said prison? Do you lock your home doors and windows? Is there any sort of fence around your yard, perhaps to keep your pet from running off or simply for privacy? Do you have a house alarm? Ring doorbells? Cameras? Most private homes have at least a few of these preventative items/actions.

[Anonymous]

Every school in America can simply lock their doors today. Easy, available, and very helpful. Or they can leave them all open. What you do a week from now is up to you. Where you send your money is up to you. What you support is up to you. But simply locking a door costs nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know what would solve this problem? Police in schools. OH we have police in schools? Well then, MORE police in schools. Maybe we should just make schools into police stations. That will solve our problems!

No, we need sharpshooters in every school. At every possible entrance.

Duh.

There was no armed officer inside the school and the doors were unlocked, and children died. No amount of your sarcasm can change that. But if the doors were locked and there was an armed officer inside, chances are that the gunman would not have gotten in at all.

If an 18yo couldn’t buy an AR-15 he wouldn’t have been there at all.

Exactly.

Do all these armed guard folks work for the gun industry? Funny how the nra solution involves thousands and thousands of schools districts having to buy more and more weapons. F off nra. We want less of these horrible weapons, not more

THANK YOU

I don't WANT to live in a world that is set up like a prison! I want people not to be walking around with military weapons that any violent yahoo can buy from a corner effing stoe!

There will still be violent crime. Plenty of it in fact. Who said prison? Do you lock your home doors and windows? Is there any sort of fence around your yard, perhaps to keep your pet from running off or simply for privacy? Do you have a house alarm? Ring doorbells? Cameras? Most private homes have at least a few of these preventative items/actions.

I don't have ASSAULT WEAPONS in my house because they are unsafe.

And no I don't have a fence all the way around my house! I have three doors! I don't have ARMED GUARDS patrolling my house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know what would solve this problem? Police in schools. OH we have police in schools? Well then, MORE police in schools. Maybe we should just make schools into police stations. That will solve our problems!

No, we need sharpshooters in every school. At every possible entrance.

Duh.

There was no armed officer inside the school and the doors were unlocked, and children died. No amount of your sarcasm can change that. But if the doors were locked and there was an armed officer inside, chances are that the gunman would not have gotten in at all.

If an 18yo couldn’t buy an AR-15 he wouldn’t have been there at all.

Exactly.

Do all these armed guard folks work for the gun industry? Funny how the nra solution involves thousands and thousands of schools districts having to buy more and more weapons. F off nra. We want less of these horrible weapons, not more

THANK YOU

I don't WANT to live in a world that is set up like a prison! I want people not to be walking around with military weapons that any violent yahoo can buy from a corner effing stoe!

There will still be violent crime. Plenty of it in fact. Who said prison? Do you lock your home doors and windows? Is there any sort of fence around your yard, perhaps to keep your pet from running off or simply for privacy? Do you have a house alarm? Ring doorbells? Cameras? Most private homes have at least a few of these preventative items/actions.

Like in New Zealand, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every school in America can simply lock their doors today. Easy, available, and very helpful. Or they can leave them all open. What you do a week from now is up to you. Where you send your money is up to you. What you support is up to you. But simply locking a door costs nothing.

Do you have children? Most posters on this site do but not all. It's not clear from your post if you have children or if you ever went to school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

hmmm, I think I see your point... a "proper perimeter fence" and tough-talking "signs"... "we're 'ready to engage'"...

Meanwhile, they're having an assault-weapons sale at Ye Olde Gun Shoppe!


Go GOP! Vote Republican for more mass shootings!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every school in America can simply lock their doors today. Easy, available, and very helpful. Or they can leave them all open. What you do a week from now is up to you. Where you send your money is up to you. What you support is up to you. But simply locking a door costs nothing.

What's your take on "proper perimeter fences," especially those that are aimed at deterrence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

Robb Elementary had a perimeter fence! The shooter climbed the fence while holding an AR-15, then ran across the athletic field to the nearest building.

These idiots literally want our kids to go to school surrounded by razor wire, instead of banning semi-automatic weapons. It's so f#cking gross and narcissistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Law enforcement was too scared and too self-centered to do anything other than threaten parents. If it wasnt for a border patrol officer eating lunch 40 miles away nobody would have ever gone in. We have found the weakest link. It wasn't a fence. It wasn't a door. It wasn't a sign. It was the local cops. Local cops that are fully kitted out as if they were SF. Local cops that have a SWAT team in a 16,000 person town. Local cops that get 40% of the town's budget. Local cops that got hazard pay for standing around a perimeter. Local cops that stood around and watched as a classroom of kids got slaughtered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

Out west, a lot of schools either have classrooms that open to the outside, or they’re a series of small buildings with multiple entrances. It’s not like there’s only one way in and out. The layout at Robb sounds a lot like my kids’ elementary school in CA. It’s a long building with a main hall, classrooms on both sides, and a door to each class that leads to the hallway, and a door to each class that opens to the outside. The common room/cafeteria and library each have one entrance from the hallway and 2 or 3 doors to the outside. All the classrooms and offices have lots of windows because natural light is so good for everyone.

The point is, it’s not like schools back east where you have a main entrance and have to be inside the school to access classrooms. They can’t be secured the same way or have a guard posted at every entrance. Their elementary school probably has 30 entrances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

Robb Elementary had a perimeter fence! The shooter climbed the fence while holding an AR-15, then ran across the athletic field to the nearest building.

These idiots literally want our kids to go to school surrounded by razor wire, instead of banning semi-automatic weapons. It's so f#cking gross and narcissistic.

Exactly. Spending billions to turn our schools into prisons vs. banning AR-15s.

Fiscally responsible people know the best solution here.