Barnard is Barnard, not Columbia!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Columbia says it has 3 undergraduate schools.

Barnard said Columbia has 4 undergraduate schools.

- from their websites.

This is all you need to know about this debate.

[Anonymous]

Columbia University says Barnard is theirs period end of story

https://www.columbia.edu/content/academics/schools

AS SHOWN by Columbia’s own website - Barnard is Columbia ENOUGH SAID.

[Anonymous]

Not a single detractor (btw all snobby af) has been able to dispute the fact that Barnard and Columbia College share many departments - SHARED - not cross registering - SHARED… that’s like saying Columbia College students in these shared departments like Math, and Philosophy aren’t Columbia students

Don’t pick and choose - Barnard is Columbia end of story. The only difference is Barnard has a separate admissions process and endowment - literally everything is the same - classes, clubs, etc. Barnard is not a back door - 8% admissions rate clearly showcases this

Anyone who claims otherwise is probably 1. A snobby butthurt CC Elitest student trying to grasp at some sort of perceived recognition, 2. Uninformed 3. Probably sexist

[Anonymous]

Columbia literally says:

"The University offers an outstanding and comprehensive array of academic programs. These include three undergraduate schools..."

Those three undergraduate schools are Columbia College, GS, and SEAS.

https://www.columbia.edu/content/academics

"period end of story"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a single detractor (btw all snobby af) has been able to dispute the fact that Barnard and Columbia College share many departments - SHARED - not cross registering - SHARED… that’s like saying Columbia College students in these shared departments like Math, and Philosophy aren’t Columbia students

Don’t pick and choose - Barnard is Columbia end of story. The only difference is Barnard has a separate admissions process and endowment - literally everything is the same - classes, clubs, etc. Barnard is not a back door - 8% admissions rate clearly showcases this

Anyone who claims otherwise is probably 1. A snobby butthurt CC Elitest student trying to grasp at some sort of perceived recognition, 2. Uninformed 3. Probably sexist

Touting your acceptance rate is really not a good look considering how easy it is these days to manufacture them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a single detractor (btw all snobby af) has been able to dispute the fact that Barnard and Columbia College share many departments - SHARED - not cross registering - SHARED… that’s like saying Columbia College students in these shared departments like Math, and Philosophy aren’t Columbia students

Don’t pick and choose - Barnard is Columbia end of story. The only difference is Barnard has a separate admissions process and endowment - literally everything is the same - classes, clubs, etc. Barnard is not a back door - 8% admissions rate clearly showcases this

Anyone who claims otherwise is probably 1. A snobby butthurt CC Elitest student trying to grasp at some sort of perceived recognition, 2. Uninformed 3. Probably sexist

All colleges at a university have their own endowment. Barnard is Columbia whether DCUM likes it or not.

[Anonymous]

Who on earth cares

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a single detractor (btw all snobby af) has been able to dispute the fact that Barnard and Columbia College share many departments - SHARED - not cross registering - SHARED… that’s like saying Columbia College students in these shared departments like Math, and Philosophy aren’t Columbia students

Don’t pick and choose - Barnard is Columbia end of story. The only difference is Barnard has a separate admissions process and endowment - literally everything is the same - classes, clubs, etc. Barnard is not a back door - 8% admissions rate clearly showcases this

Anyone who claims otherwise is probably 1. A snobby butthurt CC Elitest student trying to grasp at some sort of perceived recognition, 2. Uninformed 3. Probably sexist

All colleges at a university have their own endowment. Barnard is Columbia whether DCUM likes it or not.

This is literally just not true. Some "colleges" or "schools" may have their separate endowment (this is most often the case for graduate/professional schools). Barnard, in this case, is an affiliated institution. It's sort of Columbia, sort of not. If a Barnard grad were to claim that they were a Columbia grad, it would attract a lot of side-eyeing, especially in its own hometown of NYC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a single detractor (btw all snobby af) has been able to dispute the fact that Barnard and Columbia College share many departments - SHARED - not cross registering - SHARED… that’s like saying Columbia College students in these shared departments like Math, and Philosophy aren’t Columbia students

Don’t pick and choose - Barnard is Columbia end of story. The only difference is Barnard has a separate admissions process and endowment - literally everything is the same - classes, clubs, etc. Barnard is not a back door - 8% admissions rate clearly showcases this

Anyone who claims otherwise is probably 1. A snobby butthurt CC Elitest student trying to grasp at some sort of perceived recognition, 2. Uninformed 3. Probably sexist

This is wrong. Barnard professors are also tenured at Columbia University, reflecting its status as affiliate, but it's not the same faculty as Columbia College. For example look at Barnard's math professors vs. Columbia's math professors. Barnard has a tiny math department with no star professors.

https://math.barnard.edu/mathematics-people
https://www.math.columbia.edu/people/faculty-by-rank/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.columbia.edu/content/academics/schools

Everyone here can’t do a simple Google search. AS SHOWN by Columbia’s own website - Barnard is Columbia ENOUGH SAID.

Their admissions acceptance rate was 8% this year.

Barnard and Columbia share many departments and cross majors - for example Philosophy and Math departments are the SAME for both CC and BC.

In fact some of Barnard’s programs are seen as stronger - for example political science program is often regarded as stronger (classes, faculty, etc.) than Columbia’s and for that reason, CC students opt to take BC political science classes more (I’m a CC student studying political science).

If you want to get into technicalities - Barnard is an Ivy - the Ivy League is at its core a sports league - all BC girls play on Columbia teams integrated with CC, Engineering, GS.

I saw another point of Barnard girls not having Columbia. Edu emails - this is complete false - clearly that OP doesn’t attend Columbia and doesn’t know - ALL BC girls receive Columbia.edu emails (which they retain after graduation)

All schools take classes cross-functionally- I.e CC can take BC courses and Vice versa…

Wow, there is just so much factually incorrect with your rant, I don't even know where to begin.

Barnard students receive Columbia email ALIASES, not actual emails. Barnard is NOT an Ivy. Period. Barnard athletes compete on Columbia teams. The political science program is NOT stronger at Barnard - this is laughable to the extent of being offensive. Columbia's own website very clearly states that Barnard is an affiliate institution, not one of its undergraduate schools.

Barnard literally pays to be able to associate with Columbia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.columbia.edu/content/academics/schools

Everyone here can’t do a simple Google search. AS SHOWN by Columbia’s own website - Barnard is Columbia ENOUGH SAID.

Their admissions acceptance rate was 8% this year.

Barnard and Columbia share many departments and cross majors - for example Philosophy and Math departments are the SAME for both CC and BC.

In fact some of Barnard’s programs are seen as stronger - for example political science program is often regarded as stronger (classes, faculty, etc.) than Columbia’s and for that reason, CC students opt to take BC political science classes more (I’m a CC student studying political science).

If you want to get into technicalities - Barnard is an Ivy - the Ivy League is at its core a sports league - all BC girls play on Columbia teams integrated with CC, Engineering, GS.

I saw another point of Barnard girls not having Columbia. Edu emails - this is complete false - clearly that OP doesn’t attend Columbia and doesn’t know - ALL BC girls receive Columbia.edu emails (which they retain after graduation)

All schools take classes cross-functionally- I.e CC can take BC courses and Vice versa…

Wow, there is just so much factually incorrect with your rant, I don't even know where to begin.

Barnard students receive Columbia email ALIASES, not actual emails. Barnard is NOT an Ivy. Period. Barnard athletes compete on Columbia teams. The political science program is NOT stronger at Barnard - this is laughable to the extent of being offensive. Columbia's own website very clearly states that Barnard is an affiliate institution, not one of its undergraduate schools.

Barnard literally pays to be able to associate with Columbia.

+1. No one thinks the political science dept is better than that of Columbia College, except perhaps the mothers of the Barnard professors. The faculty are not comparable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a single detractor (btw all snobby af) has been able to dispute the fact that Barnard and Columbia College share many departments - SHARED - not cross registering - SHARED… that’s like saying Columbia College students in these shared departments like Math, and Philosophy aren’t Columbia students

Don’t pick and choose - Barnard is Columbia end of story. The only difference is Barnard has a separate admissions process and endowment - literally everything is the same - classes, clubs, etc. Barnard is not a back door - 8% admissions rate clearly showcases this

Anyone who claims otherwise is probably 1. A snobby butthurt CC Elitest student trying to grasp at some sort of perceived recognition, 2. Uninformed 3. Probably sexist

Touting your acceptance rate is really not a good look considering how easy it is these days to manufacture them.

Not too mention, isn’t Columbia’s acceptance rate around 3%?
So Barnard is definitely a back door for some kids.
That being said, I know many Barnard students who apply because of their interest in Barnard and NYC. Columbia is a nice addition but not the sole factor for these kids to apply

[Anonymous]

Barnard is actually more selective than Columbia. 1/3 of Columbia’s undergraduates are in the SGS. Columbia is so dishonest in its statistical reporting that who knows what actually is true.

[Anonymous]

Permit me to be pedantic about one fact:

email aliases = emails. At least from the recipient's POV.

Literally all email addresses are "aliases" which get assigned to different mail servers, as are all domain names "aliases" for IP addresses.

Proof of this is how you can switch them from one server to another without anyone knowing. So this is not a good point of discussion in this debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Permit me to be pedantic about one fact:

email aliases = emails. At least from the recipient's POV.

Literally all email addresses are "aliases" which get assigned to different mail servers, as are all domain names "aliases" for IP addresses.

Proof of this is how you can switch them from one server to another without anyone knowing. So this is not a good point of discussion in this debate.

It's relevant to this conversation because it was brought up by an actual Barnard student as part of a list of reasons for why Barnard students are not quite Columbia students. In her words:

"Barnard students only get Barnard emails accounts and Columbia email aliases. The Columbia alias acts only as a forwarding address to forward to your Barnard email. Barnard students don’t actually have Columbia emails you can log into and send emails from. We used to, and Columbia students literally rallied to have them taken away from us (wtf). This means that when I send an email to a professor of a Columbia class I’m taking, my email address is marked as foreign because it’s from outside the Columbia domain. Professors get the same message when they email me. It’s a small thing but it’s alienating. Also, because we aren’t in the Columbia email domain if you type a Columbia student’s name in the “to” part of the email it doesn’t autocomplete their email address."