Banneker versus School Without Walls

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are folks getting the SAT data for any of these schools ? On the dc report card it does not state the school's score but rather the Percentage of students who meet or exceed the College and Career Ready Benchmark on the SAT, which is set by the College Board. That score is 480 in Evidence-Based Reading and Writing and 530 in Math.

https://www.dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0466/college-career-readiness

This is the number set by the college board. The exact same phrase is found on the page for each dcps high-school. Walls and banneker alike. Please tell me I'm missing this and someone actually posted the actual scores for each school. If so please repost the link. I've read this entire thread but can't find which page the discussion of score started on.

Thanks!

For Banneker..here is pretty much everything you want to know....https://www.benjaminbanneker.org/ourpages/auto/2015/3/22/49894145/Banneker%20School%20Profile%2021-22_.pdf?rnd=1635171254717

Thank you! The results are better than what was stated earlier in the thread, but yes, not as high as one would hope for a test in school. Is there a report like this for all schools? It is a great summary!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also only 5% of their students get the IB diploma and their scores are pretty low. I’m interested in this and comparing it to DCI. Banneker has been around for so much longer than DCI who just graduated their 2nd class. DCI has already surpassed Banneker in IB diploma scores.

This was discussed already.

Oh come on, if Banneker wanted to expand their IB diploma, DCPS would do it. It’s their favorite darling. The reality is if kids do not have the bandwidth and knowledge content to even score average on the SAT, no way are they going to get the IB diploma. It’s a diploma that is graded by a 3rd party so there is no grade inflation. If you don’t know the material, you get the grade you deserve. That is why the average IB diploma score for the few students who get it are low.

Getting the IB diploma is much more difficult than just taking AP courses and getting at best a 3. It also is writing intensive requiring an extended essay.

The IB diploma pass rate at Banneker was 72%. For the record, the pass rate at DCI for 19-20 was 33% for the students who completed the Diploma (versus career) program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also only 5% of their students get the IB diploma and their scores are pretty low. I’m interested in this and comparing it to DCI. Banneker has been around for so much longer than DCI who just graduated their 2nd class. DCI has already surpassed Banneker in IB diploma scores.

This was discussed already.

Oh come on, if Banneker wanted to expand their IB diploma, DCPS would do it. It’s their favorite darling. The reality is if kids do not have the bandwidth and knowledge content to even score average on the SAT, no way are they going to get the IB diploma. It’s a diploma that is graded by a 3rd party so there is no grade inflation. If you don’t know the material, you get the grade you deserve. That is why the average IB diploma score for the few students who get it are low.

Getting the IB diploma is much more difficult than just taking AP courses and getting at best a 3. It also is writing intensive requiring an extended essay.

The IB diploma pass rate at Banneker was 72%. For the record, the pass rate at DCI for 19-20 was 33% for the students who completed the Diploma (versus career) program.

Yes, but the average PASS POINTS TOTAL at Banneker, on a scale of 24-45 points, has been stuck in the mid to high 20s since the program's inception almost two decades ago. That's the equivalent of C or D in IB Diploma terms.

Meanwhile, a few miles north in MoCo, there are 2 magnet school IB Diploma programs with pass points totals in the....high 30s.

Not impressive.

[Anonymous]

Based on the school profile sheet shared earlier Banneker college placement list is solid. They have a mixture of Ivy League, HBCUs, State Schools, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Based on the school profile sheet shared earlier Banneker college placement list is solid. They have a mixture of Ivy League, HBCUs, State Schools, etc.

Well, I guess that it is a mixture....for example, 2 admissions to Ivies in 2021 out of 113 kids, but good for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also only 5% of their students get the IB diploma and their scores are pretty low. I’m interested in this and comparing it to DCI. Banneker has been around for so much longer than DCI who just graduated their 2nd class. DCI has already surpassed Banneker in IB diploma scores.

This was discussed already.

Oh come on, if Banneker wanted to expand their IB diploma, DCPS would do it. It’s their favorite darling. The reality is if kids do not have the bandwidth and knowledge content to even score average on the SAT, no way are they going to get the IB diploma. It’s a diploma that is graded by a 3rd party so there is no grade inflation. If you don’t know the material, you get the grade you deserve. That is why the average IB diploma score for the few students who get it are low.

Getting the IB diploma is much more difficult than just taking AP courses and getting at best a 3. It also is writing intensive requiring an extended essay.

The IB diploma pass rate at Banneker was 72%. For the record, the pass rate at DCI for 19-20 was 33% for the students who completed the Diploma (versus career) program.

Yes, but the average PASS POINTS TOTAL at Banneker, on a scale of 24-45 points, has been stuck in the mid to high 20s since the program's inception almost two decades ago. That's the equivalent of C or D in IB Diploma terms.

Meanwhile, a few miles north in MoCo, there are 2 magnet school IB Diploma programs with pass points totals in the....high 30s.

Not impressive.

Look, DC does not have G&T, AAP, or real magnet high schools like the suburban school districts. If you want a RMIB caliber program, then you need to leave DC. The comparison should be made between DC schools - Banneker, Walls, DCI, Latin, Wilson. You're simply barking up the wrong tree if you expect DC to turn a school like Walls or Banneker into a Blair magnet or RMIB. They could, but they won't. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also only 5% of their students get the IB diploma and their scores are pretty low. I’m interested in this and comparing it to DCI. Banneker has been around for so much longer than DCI who just graduated their 2nd class. DCI has already surpassed Banneker in IB diploma scores.

This was discussed already.

Oh come on, if Banneker wanted to expand their IB diploma, DCPS would do it. It’s their favorite darling. The reality is if kids do not have the bandwidth and knowledge content to even score average on the SAT, no way are they going to get the IB diploma. It’s a diploma that is graded by a 3rd party so there is no grade inflation. If you don’t know the material, you get the grade you deserve. That is why the average IB diploma score for the few students who get it are low.

Getting the IB diploma is much more difficult than just taking AP courses and getting at best a 3. It also is writing intensive requiring an extended essay.

The IB diploma pass rate at Banneker was 72%. For the record, the pass rate at DCI for 19-20 was 33% for the students who completed the Diploma (versus career) program.

Yes, but the average PASS POINTS TOTAL at Banneker, on a scale of 24-45 points, has been stuck in the mid to high 20s since the program's inception almost two decades ago. That's the equivalent of C or D in IB Diploma terms.

Meanwhile, a few miles north in MoCo, there are 2 magnet school IB Diploma programs with pass points totals in the....high 30s.

Not impressive.

Look, DC does not have G&T, AAP, or real magnet high schools like the suburban school districts. If you want a RMIB caliber program, then you need to leave DC. The comparison should be made between DC schools - Banneker, Walls, DCI, Latin, Wilson. You're simply barking up the wrong tree if you expect DC to turn a school like Walls or Banneker into a Blair magnet or RMIB. They could, but they won't. It is what it is.

+1....It's strange to have magnet type HS but nothing else to foster it before hand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are folks getting the SAT data for any of these schools ? On the dc report card it does not state the school's score but rather the Percentage of students who meet or exceed the College and Career Ready Benchmark on the SAT, which is set by the College Board. That score is 480 in Evidence-Based Reading and Writing and 530 in Math.

https://www.dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0466/college-career-readiness

This is the number set by the college board. The exact same phrase is found on the page for each dcps high-school. Walls and banneker alike. Please tell me I'm missing this and someone actually posted the actual scores for each school. If so please repost the link. I've read this entire thread but can't find which page the discussion of score started on.

Thanks!

For Banneker..here is pretty much everything you want to know....https://www.benjaminbanneker.org/ourpages/auto/2015/3/22/49894145/Banneker%20School%20Profile%2021-22_.pdf?rnd=1635171254717

Thank you! The results are better than what was stated earlier in the thread, but yes, not as high as one would hope for a test in school. Is there a report like this for all schools? It is a great summary!

It's important to have accurate data-good or bad ..I haven't seen any data like it for the others. The Charters have something similar in their evals.

Something odd is going on--they seem to stress SAT prep a lot but the scores don't show what one would expect. All SAT prep is not created equal. But I've never expected a school to totally prepare a kid for the SAT and ACT to the level I'd like. Writing is the biggie and where privates excel over publics. We shall see if some things change with the new location...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Based on the school profile sheet shared earlier Banneker college placement list is solid. They have a mixture of Ivy League, HBCUs, State Schools, etc.

Yelp, It's pretty diverse...I thought there were more kids. It's like a small private school..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are folks getting the SAT data for any of these schools ? On the dc report card it does not state the school's score but rather the Percentage of students who meet or exceed the College and Career Ready Benchmark on the SAT, which is set by the College Board. That score is 480 in Evidence-Based Reading and Writing and 530 in Math.

https://www.dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0466/college-career-readiness

This is the number set by the college board. The exact same phrase is found on the page for each dcps high-school. Walls and banneker alike. Please tell me I'm missing this and someone actually posted the actual scores for each school. If so please repost the link. I've read this entire thread but can't find which page the discussion of score started on.

Thanks!

For Banneker..here is pretty much everything you want to know....https://www.benjaminbanneker.org/ourpages/auto/2015/3/22/49894145/Banneker%20School%20Profile%2021-22_.pdf?rnd=1635171254717

Thank you! The results are better than what was stated earlier in the thread, but yes, not as high as one would hope for a test in school. Is there a report like this for all schools? It is a great summary!

It's important to have accurate data-good or bad ..I haven't seen any data like it for the others. The Charters have something similar in their evals.

Something odd is going on--they seem to stress SAT prep a lot but the scores don't show what one would expect. All SAT prep is not created equal. But I've never expected a school to totally prepare a kid for the SAT and ACT to the level I'd like. Writing is the biggie and where privates excel over publics. We shall see if some things change with the new location...

You guys don't seem to get it. The key to scoring high on the SATs isn't targeted prep, it's a rigorous and intellectually stimulating education from a young age, coupled with some natural intelligence and a love of learning. If schools aren't providing the requisite inputs to teach advanced HS math, reading comprehension, writing etc, ambitious families and individual students need to do their best to augment what's being taught to score high. With an adequate education, a kid can take a practice SAT or two and get all the prep they need to score in the 700s. That's it, that's all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Based on the school profile sheet shared earlier Banneker college placement list is solid. They have a mixture of Ivy League, HBCUs, State Schools, etc.

Yelp, It's pretty diverse...I thought there were more kids. It's like a small private school..

Yes it is. The kids are all extremely nice and supportive of each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are folks getting the SAT data for any of these schools ? On the dc report card it does not state the school's score but rather the Percentage of students who meet or exceed the College and Career Ready Benchmark on the SAT, which is set by the College Board. That score is 480 in Evidence-Based Reading and Writing and 530 in Math.

https://www.dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0466/college-career-readiness

This is the number set by the college board. The exact same phrase is found on the page for each dcps high-school. Walls and banneker alike. Please tell me I'm missing this and someone actually posted the actual scores for each school. If so please repost the link. I've read this entire thread but can't find which page the discussion of score started on.

Thanks!

For Banneker..here is pretty much everything you want to know....https://www.benjaminbanneker.org/ourpages/auto/2015/3/22/49894145/Banneker%20School%20Profile%2021-22_.pdf?rnd=1635171254717

Thank you! The results are better than what was stated earlier in the thread, but yes, not as high as one would hope for a test in school. Is there a report like this for all schools? It is a great summary!

It's important to have accurate data-good or bad ..I haven't seen any data like it for the others. The Charters have something similar in their evals.

Something odd is going on--they seem to stress SAT prep a lot but the scores don't show what one would expect. All SAT prep is not created equal. But I've never expected a school to totally prepare a kid for the SAT and ACT to the level I'd like. Writing is the biggie and where privates excel over publics. We shall see if some things change with the new location...

You guys don't seem to get it. The key to scoring high on the SATs isn't targeted prep, it's a rigorous and intellectually stimulating education from a young age, coupled with some natural intelligence and a love of learning. If schools aren't providing the requisite inputs to teach advanced HS math, reading comprehension, writing etc, ambitious families and individual students need to do their best to augment what's being taught to score high. With an adequate education, a kid can take a practice SAT or two and get all the prep they need to score in the 700s. That's it, that's all.

Hmm - so I want to push back on this a tad. I recall doing ok on my SAT 1s initially but improving with test prep. The test I totally excelled at without any test prep were the SAT 2s - the subject matter ones. I can't remember which three I did but one was Chemistry and wow-I blew that one out of the park.

[Anonymous]

SAT2s no longer exist. They were eliminated by the College Board earlier this year.

If a kid has to prep extensively for the SATs, they haven't had a very good education and/or they're not cut out for a competitive college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SAT2s no longer exist. They were eliminated by the College Board earlier this year.

If a kid has to prep extensively for the SATs, they haven't had a very good education and/or they're not cut out for a competitive college.

Agree. Grew up as a poor minority (FARM) but was tracked in school starting at 3rd grade with G and T in a mediocre school district. Parents immigrated here and didn’t know anything about SAT, college admissions, etc..

I walked in blind taking the SAT. No prep, no practice test questions, nothing. Baseline score high 1200’s.

[Anonymous]

I wound note that it’s a false narrative to say that Banneker is a school with majority low SES. It’s at risk ratio is similar to Wilson (24% vs 22%) and much lower than most DCPS high schools.

Add that to the picture along along with test in and the low SAT scores are very difficult to defend.