Banneker versus School Without Walls

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 80 or students that graduated last year had $50 million in aid, I think they’re doing fine.


What's the college retention rate for the 80 who graduated last year?

What's the 4/5 year college graduation rate for the 2013-2016 Banneker grads

To me it is a great school no question (attended open house). The test scores reflect parent income probably. But how can there be 50 million dollars in aid for 80 students? That's $600,000 dollars per student no? Is that really true? -OP

It is a great school! My kid loves it. The teacher and students are all friendly and very supportive of each other. I can’t say enough good things about the culture there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, the test scores reflect inadequate college prep for some of the city's brightest students all the way from K-12. Look at SAT scores at NYC magnet programs for at-risk students, e.g. Bronx Science and Bronx Tech, if you doubt this. The average scores for AA and Latino students at those school are at least 200 points higher for both reading and math. The brightest poor minority kids can actually score high on standardized tests with the right prep and peer groups.

Your comparison is a bit misleading.

Banneker is 92% black and Hispanic

NYC's specialized schools such as Bronx High School of Science are about 9% black and Hispanic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 80 or students that graduated last year had $50 million in aid, I think they’re doing fine.


What's the college retention rate for the 80 who graduated last year?

What's the 4/5 year college graduation rate for the 2013-2016 Banneker grads

To me it is a great school no question (attended open house). The test scores reflect parent income probably. But how can there be 50 million dollars in aid for 80 students? That's $600,000 dollars per student no? Is that really true? -OP

Again, it was total awards. One student could have different awards to different schools.

The whole "total award" thing is what I hate. With Common App it's so easy for kids to apply to 10-15 schools. The awards are used as marketing for the high schools. Kids are being forced to apply to schools they have no interest in just so it looks good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, the test scores reflect inadequate college prep for some of the city's brightest students all the way from K-12. Look at SAT scores at NYC magnet programs for at-risk students, e.g. Bronx Science and Bronx Tech, if you doubt this. The average scores for AA and Latino students at those school are at least 200 points higher for both reading and math. The brightest poor minority kids can actually score high on standardized tests with the right prep and peer groups.

Your comparison is a bit misleading.

Banneker is 92% black and Hispanic

NYC's specialized schools such as Bronx High School of Science are about 9% black and Hispanic.

Right, and those NYC magnet minority poor kids knock it out of the park on standardized tests. I know because I was one of them. Those students come up through ES and MS GT programs and City-run standardized test prep centers. Trust me, the myriad excuses for Banneker's abysmal standardized test scores on this thread won't do the students any good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 80 or students that graduated last year had $50 million in aid, I think they’re doing fine.


What's the college retention rate for the 80 who graduated last year?

What's the 4/5 year college graduation rate for the 2013-2016 Banneker grads

To me it is a great school no question (attended open house). The test scores reflect parent income probably. But how can there be 50 million dollars in aid for 80 students? That's $600,000 dollars per student no? Is that really true? -OP

It is a great school! My kid loves it. The teacher and students are all friendly and very supportive of each other. I can’t say enough good things about the culture there.

A cheery school culture is always nice. Middling academics and extra-curriculars, not so nice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 80 or students that graduated last year had $50 million in aid, I think they’re doing fine.


What's the college retention rate for the 80 who graduated last year?

What's the 4/5 year college graduation rate for the 2013-2016 Banneker grads

To me it is a great school no question (attended open house). The test scores reflect parent income probably. But how can there be 50 million dollars in aid for 80 students? That's $600,000 dollars per student no? Is that really true? -OP

It is a great school! My kid loves it. The teacher and students are all friendly and very supportive of each other. I can’t say enough good things about the culture there.

Can you share how the adjustment has been academically?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 80 or students that graduated last year had $50 million in aid, I think they’re doing fine.


What's the college retention rate for the 80 who graduated last year?

What's the 4/5 year college graduation rate for the 2013-2016 Banneker grads

To me it is a great school no question (attended open house). The test scores reflect parent income probably. But how can there be 50 million dollars in aid for 80 students? That's $600,000 dollars per student no? Is that really true? -OP

It is a great school! My kid loves it. The teacher and students are all friendly and very supportive of each other. I can’t say enough good things about the culture there.

A cheery school culture is always nice. Middling academics and extra-curriculars, not so nice.

You could learn a thing or two from them on being nice. Just saying…

[Anonymous]

Test scores, race, and socio-economic status:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/29/upshot/money-race-and-success-how-your-school-district-compares.html?referringSource=articleShare

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 80 or students that graduated last year had $50 million in aid, I think they’re doing fine.


What's the college retention rate for the 80 who graduated last year?

What's the 4/5 year college graduation rate for the 2013-2016 Banneker grads

To me it is a great school no question (attended open house). The test scores reflect parent income probably. But how can there be 50 million dollars in aid for 80 students? That's $600,000 dollars per student no? Is that really true? -OP

Again, it was total awards. One student could have different awards to different schools.

The whole "total award" thing is what I hate. With Common App it's so easy for kids to apply to 10-15 schools. The awards are used as marketing for the high schools. Kids are being forced to apply to schools they have no interest in just so it looks good.

When I was there, it felt like they were genuinely trying to motivate the underclassmen. With so few students, all of us piled into the auditorium for the Senior Awards assembly. The seniors sat on stage, and they presented athletic and academic awards. A handful of college reps would come and present big awards. The military academies always sent someone to present some ceremonial thing to the ones who were accepted. The final part of the program was where they had each senior stand up one by one while they read off the list of schools they were accepted to, every school and private scholarship, and each student's grand total. It was exciting when I was an underclassman. Admittedly, it wasn't as fun when I was the one in the spotlight. The person before me received about 2M in scholarships and was accepted to dozens of schools. I got into two schools and received a whopping $1500 in scholarships. Those pitying claps were brutal.

[Anonymous]

The senior assembly sounds brutal. Sorry you were tortured like that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 80 or students that graduated last year had $50 million in aid, I think they’re doing fine.


What's the college retention rate for the 80 who graduated last year?

What's the 4/5 year college graduation rate for the 2013-2016 Banneker grads

To me it is a great school no question (attended open house). The test scores reflect parent income probably. But how can there be 50 million dollars in aid for 80 students? That's $600,000 dollars per student no? Is that really true? -OP

Again, it was total awards. One student could have different awards to different schools.

The whole "total award" thing is what I hate. With Common App it's so easy for kids to apply to 10-15 schools. The awards are used as marketing for the high schools. Kids are being forced to apply to schools they have no interest in just so it looks good.

When I was there, it felt like they were genuinely trying to motivate the underclassmen. With so few students, all of us piled into the auditorium for the Senior Awards assembly. The seniors sat on stage, and they presented athletic and academic awards. A handful of college reps would come and present big awards. The military academies always sent someone to present some ceremonial thing to the ones who were accepted. The final part of the program was where they had each senior stand up one by one while they read off the list of schools they were accepted to, every school and private scholarship, and each student's grand total. It was exciting when I was an underclassman. Admittedly, it wasn't as fun when I was the one in the spotlight. The person before me received about 2M in scholarships and was accepted to dozens of schools. I got into two schools and received a whopping $1500 in scholarships. Those pitying claps were brutal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The 80 or students that graduated last year had $50 million in aid, I think they’re doing fine.


What's the college retention rate for the 80 who graduated last year?

What's the 4/5 year college graduation rate for the 2013-2016 Banneker grads

To me it is a great school no question (attended open house). The test scores reflect parent income probably. But how can there be 50 million dollars in aid for 80 students? That's $600,000 dollars per student no? Is that really true? -OP

Again, it was total awards. One student could have different awards to different schools.

The whole "total award" thing is what I hate. With Common App it's so easy for kids to apply to 10-15 schools. The awards are used as marketing for the high schools. Kids are being forced to apply to schools they have no interest in just so it looks good.

When I was there, it felt like they were genuinely trying to motivate the underclassmen. With so few students, all of us piled into the auditorium for the Senior Awards assembly. The seniors sat on stage, and they presented athletic and academic awards. A handful of college reps would come and present big awards. The military academies always sent someone to present some ceremonial thing to the ones who were accepted. The final part of the program was where they had each senior stand up one by one while they read off the list of schools they were accepted to, every school and private scholarship, and each student's grand total. It was exciting when I was an underclassman. Admittedly, it wasn't as fun when I was the one in the spotlight. The person before me received about 2M in scholarships and was accepted to dozens of schools. I got into two schools and received a whopping $1500 in scholarships. Those pitying claps were brutal.

We had a similar assembly but students had to write what they wanted announced even if the guidance counselors were aware of scholarships. I can see how it can be unfair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, the test scores reflect inadequate college prep for some of the city's brightest students all the way from K-12. Look at SAT scores at NYC magnet programs for at-risk students, e.g. Bronx Science and Bronx Tech, if you doubt this. The average scores for AA and Latino students at those school are at least 200 points higher for both reading and math. The brightest poor minority kids can actually score high on standardized tests with the right prep and peer groups.

Your comparison is a bit misleading.

Banneker is 92% black and Hispanic

NYC's specialized schools such as Bronx High School of Science are about 9% black and Hispanic.

Right, and those NYC magnet minority poor kids knock it out of the park on standardized tests. I know because I was one of them. Those students come up through ES and MS GT programs and City-run standardized test prep centers. Trust me, the myriad excuses for Banneker's abysmal standardized test scores on this thread won't do the students any good.

Did your NYC magnet not teach how averages work? Banneker is 92% Black and Hispanic. NYC magnets are around 9% per PP. If they admitted the same percentage of low income URMs, what would those NYC magnet schools average SAT scores look like?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No, the test scores reflect inadequate college prep for some of the city's brightest students all the way from K-12. Look at SAT scores at NYC magnet programs for at-risk students, e.g. Bronx Science and Bronx Tech, if you doubt this. The average scores for AA and Latino students at those school are at least 200 points higher for both reading and math. The brightest poor minority kids can actually score high on standardized tests with the right prep and peer groups.

Your comparison is a bit misleading.

Banneker is 92% black and Hispanic

NYC's specialized schools such as Bronx High School of Science are about 9% black and Hispanic.

Right, and those NYC magnet minority poor kids knock it out of the park on standardized tests. I know because I was one of them. Those students come up through ES and MS GT programs and City-run standardized test prep centers. Trust me, the myriad excuses for Banneker's abysmal standardized test scores on this thread won't do the students any good.

I cannot wait until more and more universities don’t take standardized tests scores into account.

[Anonymous]

The SATs may have fallen into disfavor but AP tests seem to be gaining ground. I don’t see standardized tests exiting the stage in college admissions in our lifetimes.