DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:FCV 04 picked up BRYC 04 centerback. Is that what you are trying to say? Still confusing

Well the discussion was about the 2 04 Mclean girls. Mentioned that they also picked up a BRYC CB as well. Not sure how that is confusing, but I will take your word for it.

Because you didn't name an age group. Didn't want to assume.

None of the girls let go where CB's. She will be third in depth chart or converted. Unless of course, she beats everyone out....which won't happen.

Be prepared for diminished playing time

Not my kid so not a concern for me. Until you see her compete I wouldn't just rule her out. Then again, you are FCV guy so......

He isn't FCV guy...he is former FCV guy that is bitter his daughter didn't make the team. Maybe just be happy for her to have a good experience wherever she is next. Why bash kids you don't even know? That seems really creepy man. They're 13 and 14 year old girls and you are a grown up (at least in age). Give it a rest with attacking children.

And, no, I am not the parent of the BRYC girl either. Maybe she will win a starting spot, maybe she won't. If you aren't at FCV, why the hell do you care?

Why do you care so much?

I'm not addressing the kid. I would NEVER go against a child.

I'm addressing the fact that parents leave hometown clubs for far away clubs in pursuit of a winning team without knowing the teams dynamics.

If your daughter is a stud CB and plays 80 minutes (which CB always do), why would you leave and drive 40 minutes for a team that already has depth in the position. Your setting up your kid for a bad experience.

Parents all over the DMV do this.

Really? You, the guy that screaming about nepotism and politics and that says the players coming into FCV aren't very good and certainly not better than those exiting, aren't talking about the kids? If you aren't talking about the kids, who exactly are you talking about? You are a bitter person with nothing better to do that to find someone else to blame for whatever has gone wrong for you and/or your child. I presume I don't know you because this bitter of a personality would be hard to forget. And I certainly don't know your child if she played at FCV. I wish her the best and I hope, for her sake, you back off because you are going to make her experiences miserable for her.

He never said the incoming girls are not good. He said the current players are and in the case of the BRYC CB he simply stated the truth, that FCV is currently strong at CB. Saying that kids on FCV are talented is not the same as saying the newcomers are not talented.

Actually he said that the new players were not as good as the ones that were cut. Why are we still talking about this?

Unless you're mom or dad why do you care?

Because, like many others, I come on here to try to get some information and the board has been highjacked by crazy people. Frustrating.

And you might be one of them with your emotional reactions. Just sayin.

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Anonymous wrote:FCV staff told the kids they weren't as good as the kids coming in when they cut them.

Go look in the mirror and yell at yourself.

So they were honest?

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Anonymous wrote:FCV 04 picked up BRYC 04 centerback. Is that what you are trying to say? Still confusing

Well the discussion was about the 2 04 Mclean girls. Mentioned that they also picked up a BRYC CB as well. Not sure how that is confusing, but I will take your word for it.

Because you didn't name an age group. Didn't want to assume.

None of the girls let go where CB's. She will be third in depth chart or converted. Unless of course, she beats everyone out....which won't happen.

Be prepared for diminished playing time

Not my kid so not a concern for me. Until you see her compete I wouldn't just rule her out. Then again, you are FCV guy so......

He isn't FCV guy...he is former FCV guy that is bitter his daughter didn't make the team. Maybe just be happy for her to have a good experience wherever she is next. Why bash kids you don't even know? That seems really creepy man. They're 13 and 14 year old girls and you are a grown up (at least in age). Give it a rest with attacking children.

And, no, I am not the parent of the BRYC girl either. Maybe she will win a starting spot, maybe she won't. If you aren't at FCV, why the hell do you care?

Why do you care so much?

I'm not addressing the kid. I would NEVER go against a child.

I'm addressing the fact that parents leave hometown clubs for far away clubs in pursuit of a winning team without knowing the teams dynamics.

If your daughter is a stud CB and plays 80 minutes (which CB always do), why would you leave and drive 40 minutes for a team that already has depth in the position. Your setting up your kid for a bad experience.

Parents all over the DMV do this.

Really? You, the guy that screaming about nepotism and politics and that says the players coming into FCV aren't very good and certainly not better than those exiting, aren't talking about the kids? If you aren't talking about the kids, who exactly are you talking about? You are a bitter person with nothing better to do that to find someone else to blame for whatever has gone wrong for you and/or your child. I presume I don't know you because this bitter of a personality would be hard to forget. And I certainly don't know your child if she played at FCV. I wish her the best and I hope, for her sake, you back off because you are going to make her experiences miserable for her.

He never said the incoming girls are not good. He said the current players are and in the case of the BRYC CB he simply stated the truth, that FCV is currently strong at CB. Saying that kids on FCV are talented is not the same as saying the newcomers are not talented.

Actually he said that the new players were not as good as the ones that were cut. Why are we still talking about this?

Unless you're mom or dad why do you care?

Because, like many others, I come on here to try to get some information and the board has been highjacked by crazy people. Frustrating.

And you might be one of them with your emotional reactions. Just sayin.

I don't feel emotional about it, maybe you're reading into my post too much.

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Anonymous wrote:A star player wil not sit behind a star player. They will go elsewhere and be a star player.

People lose sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be played.

Only in our current, flawed system. In a true academy program, there are multiple levels that allow all prospects to play at their level.

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Anonymous wrote:A star player wil not sit behind a star player. They will go elsewhere and be a star player.

People lose sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be played.

Only in our current, flawed system. In a true academy program, there are multiple levels that allow all prospects to play at their level.

There is no incentive for them to do as such

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Anonymous wrote:A star player wil not sit behind a star player. They will go elsewhere and be a star player.

People lose sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be played.

This is my point about development. It's not right or wrong to be more focused on just wanting to play the game as opposed to being the best possible player you can be when you're 20. But those two goals require VERY DIFFERENT decisions year to year, season to season. You parents jump around clubs all the time due this star player mentality. It's like if your kid was learning to ride a bike and fell, you'd put the training wheels back on. It's fine if the kid is having fun. But it's not making them a better player or better able to deal with adversity.

I'd proposed that if you're on this thread "ECNL vs. DA vs. ..." that you are at least someone subscribed to the idea that you want your DS / DD to be the best they can be at age 20. If that is true, you'd have a better chance at getting him or her there if you'd listen to some professionals once in a while. "The game is meant to be played", "Winning does matter", "I pay too much to watch them sit on the bench", "I'm not paying for them to be on anyone's B team" are all things parents say who should not be anywhere near a conversation about player development.

It's fine. Just keep the perspective once in a while if you can please. The teachers might actually know what's best for your kid. What you're seeing at any youth soccer level really isn't true soccer. You have no perspective. You do not know what you do not know in other words. The mistakes and bad decisions and lack of specific skills needed to succeed at the higher levels are more common not in every game. The kids just aren't there yet, not matter what teams they're beating at other youth events. Dozens of full scholarship D1 athletes get drafted then cut every year in MLS and NWSL, and MLS at least is barely in the global top 20 of leagues.

If you want to pay to watch your kid win and play all the time when they're kids, these clubs will take your money. But if you don't buy into the development plan it doesn't mean they "wronged" you. It more likely means you think you know better than the professionals.

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Anonymous wrote:A star player wil not sit behind a star player. They will go elsewhere and be a star player.

People lose sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be played.

Only in our current, flawed system. In a true academy program, there are multiple levels that allow all prospects to play at their level.

There is no incentive for them to do as such

So you don't want your DD or DS to be the best they can be? That's a pretty average thought for an elite parent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A star player wil not sit behind a star player. They will go elsewhere and be a star player.

People lose sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be played.

Only in our current, flawed system. In a true academy program, there are multiple levels that allow all prospects to play at their level.

There is no incentive for them to do as such

So you don't want your DD or DS to be the best they can be? That's a pretty average thought for an elite parent.

Most if not all parent do. The thing is nobody know how? And it matters only if the kid wants it him/herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A star player wil not sit behind a star player. They will go elsewhere and be a star player.

People lose sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be played.

Neymar must think of the same thing last summer...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A star player wil not sit behind a star player. They will go elsewhere and be a star player.

People lose sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be played.

This is my point about development. It's not right or wrong to be more focused on just wanting to play the game as opposed to being the best possible player you can be when you're 20. But those two goals require VERY DIFFERENT decisions year to year, season to season. You parents jump around clubs all the time due this star player mentality. It's like if your kid was learning to ride a bike and fell, you'd put the training wheels back on. It's fine if the kid is having fun. But it's not making them a better player or better able to deal with adversity.

I'd proposed that if you're on this thread "ECNL vs. DA vs. ..." that you are at least someone subscribed to the idea that you want your DS / DD to be the best they can be at age 20. If that is true, you'd have a better chance at getting him or her there if you'd listen to some professionals once in a while. "The game is meant to be played", "Winning does matter", "I pay too much to watch them sit on the bench", "I'm not paying for them to be on anyone's B team" are all things parents say who should not be anywhere near a conversation about player development.

It's fine. Just keep the perspective once in a while if you can please. The teachers might actually know what's best for your kid. What you're seeing at any youth soccer level really isn't true soccer. You have no perspective. You do not know what you do not know in other words. The mistakes and bad decisions and lack of specific skills needed to succeed at the higher levels are more common not in every game. The kids just aren't there yet, not matter what teams they're beating at other youth events. Dozens of full scholarship D1 athletes get drafted then cut every year in MLS and NWSL, and MLS at least is barely in the global top 20 of leagues.

If you want to pay to watch your kid win and play all the time when they're kids, these clubs will take your money. But if you don't buy into the development plan it doesn't mean they "wronged" you. It more likely means you think you know better than the professionals.

This is a fine, idealistic point and some of it rings true even in practice.

However, many here have undoubtedly seen "the teachers" promote kids who just happen to have relatives coaching for the club, older brothers/sisters (more financial weight), buddies with coaching staff/TDs, etc... These promoted kids often play at a lower level or aren't as athletically gifted and those who deserve more of a challenge but aren't promoted. This is still a developmental concern and NOT about playing with the A team or just winning in many cases, sorry; it's about seeking out a developmentally appropriate level for your kid, for whom you are the only true champion. In fact, you know you are in one of these situations when the "teachers" tell you exactly what you said: "you don't know what you are seeing" aka don't believe your lyin' eyes, despite your knowledge of the game/background (or even the opinion of other professionals, for that matter).

Wish it all were as simple as you paint, but that just isn't so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A star player wil not sit behind a star player. They will go elsewhere and be a star player.

People lose sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be played.

Neymar must think of the same thing last summer...

Neymar didn't sit behind a star player. Neymar played with multiple star players. Neymar left to be THE star player

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A star player wil not sit behind a star player. They will go elsewhere and be a star player.

People lose sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be played.

This is my point about development. It's not right or wrong to be more focused on just wanting to play the game as opposed to being the best possible player you can be when you're 20. But those two goals require VERY DIFFERENT decisions year to year, season to season. You parents jump around clubs all the time due this star player mentality. It's like if your kid was learning to ride a bike and fell, you'd put the training wheels back on. It's fine if the kid is having fun. But it's not making them a better player or better able to deal with adversity.

I'd proposed that if you're on this thread "ECNL vs. DA vs. ..." that you are at least someone subscribed to the idea that you want your DS / DD to be the best they can be at age 20. If that is true, you'd have a better chance at getting him or her there if you'd listen to some professionals once in a while. "The game is meant to be played", "Winning does matter", "I pay too much to watch them sit on the bench", "I'm not paying for them to be on anyone's B team" are all things parents say who should not be anywhere near a conversation about player development.

It's fine. Just keep the perspective once in a while if you can please. The teachers might actually know what's best for your kid. What you're seeing at any youth soccer level really isn't true soccer. You have no perspective. You do not know what you do not know in other words. The mistakes and bad decisions and lack of specific skills needed to succeed at the higher levels are more common not in every game. The kids just aren't there yet, not matter what teams they're beating at other youth events. Dozens of full scholarship D1 athletes get drafted then cut every year in MLS and NWSL, and MLS at least is barely in the global top 20 of leagues.

If you want to pay to watch your kid win and play all the time when they're kids, these clubs will take your money. But if you don't buy into the development plan it doesn't mean they "wronged" you. It more likely means you think you know better than the professionals.

This is a fine, idealistic point and some of it rings true even in practice.

However, many here have undoubtedly seen "the teachers" promote kids who just happen to have relatives coaching for the club, older brothers/sisters (more financial weight), buddies with coaching staff/TDs, etc... These promoted kids often play at a lower level or aren't as athletically gifted and those who deserve more of a challenge but aren't promoted. This is still a developmental concern and NOT about playing with the A team or just winning in many cases, sorry; it's about seeking out a developmentally appropriate level for your kid, for whom you are the only true champion. In fact, you know you are in one of these situations when the "teachers" tell you exactly what you said: "you don't know what you are seeing" aka don't believe your lyin' eyes, despite your knowledge of the game/background (or even the opinion of other professionals, for that matter).

Wish it all were as simple as you paint, but that just isn't so.

I definitely wasn't saying all the coaches out there know what they're doing or do the right thing. This is where club leadership comes in. Is the club run top to bottom with vertical integration preached and practiced? Do they spread playing time around? Do they run good training sessions with maximum touches on the ball at younger ages and actually working on issues seen in games at older ages? Do coaches from all teams know and help and attend games at least monthly of the other teams? Does the head coach actually run the team and only has 2 teams at most? Does the technical director / director of coaching coach no more than 1 team themselves, if any at all and do they show up at the other teams sessions and evaluate their coaches and review training plans? Does every player have a personalized plan in place and reviewed regularly? Can your TD / DOC even name 75% of players in the top 2 teams in each age group?

Or, are you playing in a club where a couple of guys are doing 3 or more teams full time, show up half the time if you're lucky, are on their phones at the beginning of training, barely email, don't have time to talk after practice because they're hustling to the next gig, and you never see anyone actually in charge of the club's player development attending training or overseeing things? Or worse, outsourced coaches from some company wearing gear from 3 different clubs or brands who are literally only doing this as a job.

I proposed that only the DC and WS pro academies, and a few really big clubs like Bethesda, Loudoun, Pipeline, PWSI, Richmond Strikers and Kickers are anywhere near the "right" way to do things with a bigger picture somewhat in mind and without needing to hire outside "trainers" or constantly recruit entire teams to come to their club just to have a decent level of competitiveness. Everyone else is pretending and hustling every day to put food on the table or for their own egos, or they very admirably just focus on providing a solid service to their community without trying to be Barcelona or City.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A star player wil not sit behind a star player. They will go elsewhere and be a star player.

People lose sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be played.

Neymar must think of the same thing last summer...

Neymar didn't sit behind a star player. Neymar played with multiple star players. Neymar left to be THE star player

He played behind the THE star player then

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A star player wil not sit behind a star player. They will go elsewhere and be a star player.

People lose sight of the fact that it's a game meant to be played.

This is my point about development. It's not right or wrong to be more focused on just wanting to play the game as opposed to being the best possible player you can be when you're 20. But those two goals require VERY DIFFERENT decisions year to year, season to season. You parents jump around clubs all the time due this star player mentality. It's like if your kid was learning to ride a bike and fell, you'd put the training wheels back on. It's fine if the kid is having fun. But it's not making them a better player or better able to deal with adversity.

I'd proposed that if you're on this thread "ECNL vs. DA vs. ..." that you are at least someone subscribed to the idea that you want your DS / DD to be the best they can be at age 20. If that is true, you'd have a better chance at getting him or her there if you'd listen to some professionals once in a while. "The game is meant to be played", "Winning does matter", "I pay too much to watch them sit on the bench", "I'm not paying for them to be on anyone's B team" are all things parents say who should not be anywhere near a conversation about player development.

It's fine. Just keep the perspective once in a while if you can please. The teachers might actually know what's best for your kid. What you're seeing at any youth soccer level really isn't true soccer. You have no perspective. You do not know what you do not know in other words. The mistakes and bad decisions and lack of specific skills needed to succeed at the higher levels are more common not in every game. The kids just aren't there yet, not matter what teams they're beating at other youth events. Dozens of full scholarship D1 athletes get drafted then cut every year in MLS and NWSL, and MLS at least is barely in the global top 20 of leagues.

If you want to pay to watch your kid win and play all the time when they're kids, these clubs will take your money. But if you don't buy into the development plan it doesn't mean they "wronged" you. It more likely means you think you know better than the professionals.

This is a fine, idealistic point and some of it rings true even in practice.

However, many here have undoubtedly seen "the teachers" promote kids who just happen to have relatives coaching for the club, older brothers/sisters (more financial weight), buddies with coaching staff/TDs, etc... These promoted kids often play at a lower level or aren't as athletically gifted and those who deserve more of a challenge but aren't promoted. This is still a developmental concern and NOT about playing with the A team or just winning in many cases, sorry; it's about seeking out a developmentally appropriate level for your kid, for whom you are the only true champion. In fact, you know you are in one of these situations when the "teachers" tell you exactly what you said: "you don't know what you are seeing" aka don't believe your lyin' eyes, despite your knowledge of the game/background (or even the opinion of other professionals, for that matter).

Wish it all were as simple as you paint, but that just isn't so.

I definitely wasn't saying all the coaches out there know what they're doing or do the right thing. This is where club leadership comes in. Is the club run top to bottom with vertical integration preached and practiced? Do they spread playing time around? Do they run good training sessions with maximum touches on the ball at younger ages and actually working on issues seen in games at older ages? Do coaches from all teams know and help and attend games at least monthly of the other teams? Does the head coach actually run the team and only has 2 teams at most? Does the technical director / director of coaching coach no more than 1 team themselves, if any at all and do they show up at the other teams sessions and evaluate their coaches and review training plans? Does every player have a personalized plan in place and reviewed regularly? Can your TD / DOC even name 75% of players in the top 2 teams in each age group?

Or, are you playing in a club where a couple of guys are doing 3 or more teams full time, show up half the time if you're lucky, are on their phones at the beginning of training, barely email, don't have time to talk after practice because they're hustling to the next gig, and you never see anyone actually in charge of the club's player development attending training or overseeing things? Or worse, outsourced coaches from some company wearing gear from 3 different clubs or brands who are literally only doing this as a job.

I proposed that only the DC and WS pro academies, and a few really big clubs like Bethesda, Loudoun, Pipeline, PWSI, Richmond Strikers and Kickers are anywhere near the "right" way to do things with a bigger picture somewhat in mind and without needing to hire outside "trainers" or constantly recruit entire teams to come to their club just to have a decent level of competitiveness. Everyone else is pretending and hustling every day to put food on the table or for their own egos, or they very admirably just focus on providing a solid service to their community without trying to be Barcelona or City.

Would like to know if there is a single club does such?

[Anonymous]

A summary of Girls DA/ECNL and everything else in NOVA

2017/18 3 Girls DA teams formed: Spirit VA, FCV (previously ECNL), and VDA. BRYC joins ECNL, McLean continues in ECNL

BRYC leaves CCL.

2018/19 VDA switches from DA to ECNL. Loudoun joins ECNL. Arlington joins DA (U13-15 at least initially). So 3 DA programs and 4 ECNL programs in NOVA.

Arlington and Loudoun second teams to play in CCL1. McLean second teams now to play in CCL2.

DA adds U13 so now starts at same age group as ECNL only in the Mid atlantic DA region.

It will be interesting to follow the approximately 140 future U13 players who are signed on for these various DA/ECNL teams. At U16/17 how many will be playing for the same team? How many will no longer be playing? How many will be invited to attend national training centers? How many will play soccer in college and beyond?