SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

Agree with this, and I particularly dislike how it was framed as Anthony being withholding generally and "putting up walls", as though doing a specific sexual act (that MANY people find uncomfortable, unnecessarily risky, and not that pleasurable) reflects a general resistance to be intimate. I've encountered that argument before and it's BS. You can be an open, loving person fully capable of true intimacy and still have boundaries regarding sex simply because some things don't feel good or comfortable to you. Conflating certain sex acts with intimacy is childish and the domain of manipulative, sometimes abusive, people.

You know what is truly intimate? Respecting your partners boundaries and accepting them for who they are, instead of threatening to leave the country if they won't let you do anal.

This was incredibly uncomfortable and would have been really infuriating if they portrayed a woman being pushed into anal

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Anonymous wrote:My critique:

1. The cat's name is Shoe?? Um.
2. It's so bizarre to consider the trajectory of Carrie's character from the original to now - a scrappy writer to a rich shopaholic with too much time on her hands living in an overpriced dollhouse.
3. I'm glad Nya met a nice dude. I hope she's not in the series next season. Zzzz.
4. Does anyone else think LTW's husband harbors a secret? There's something slimy and obsequious about him.
5. The last supper gathering was a depressing assortment. Carrie lived in that apartment for decades and THAT's who she pulled together? Did the woman have no friends? WEHT Skipper? Susan Sharon? The crazy suburban photographer lady?
6. Kim C. was phoning it in - literally. She wasn't even acting like Samantha!
7. The actor who played Brady is bizarrely cast.
8. Che is suddenly likable. Who knew?
9. I want Charlotte to bump into Trey MacDougal! Harry has a heart attack and is rushed to the hospital, only to be greeted by - TREY! Drama ensues.

YES to 9, wxcept it should not be a heart attack but like a panic attack about taking on so much household responsibilty and trey is the cardiologist on call who is like…idk what would trey be like now??

Trey would be gay and living his best life.

Or he could be happily married to Charlotte’s doppelgänger with four kids—one of whom turns up as Lilly’s love interest.

I hope Miranda moves back in with Steve.

I hope Carrie meets someone new. Too bad it didn’t work out with Mariska’s husband. He’s hot. Why not bring Mathew Broderick on? They could have a love/hate friendship that evolves. He could give her a hard time for her lavish lifestyle and abandoning her roots. A sort of When Harry Met Sally looooong storyline. Or bring back an evolved Berger. He could play his Loudermilk character. Maybe he’s gained notoriety for a book?

I hope Che and the rest disappear and only pop in once in a blue moon. Seema is the worst. Nya is boring. LTW is the least dull but nothing special. The show would be a million times better focused on the original three.

Agree! Focus on the original 3.

Then the show would have only white people. That is considered racist in our current society.

Is your world all white or whatever your race is? I’m sad for you if it is. There’s nothing wrong with the make up of the cast. It’s more watchable for me.

There is nothing wrong with incorporating a more diverse cast, but there is everything wrong with how it was done. I do not feel like the new leads were treated like leads at all, but as props for the original characters. I found them to lack complexity and depth which made them boring and unmemorable.

We have satc to provide so much background for the original women, not enough effort was put into catching us up on who these new characters are and why we should be invested in them. To me, that tokenized them and cheapened the attempt make the show more diverse

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Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

I was trying to figure out from his facial expressions if he hated it or hated giving up control (his word from dinner).

I think he didn't like it. I don't know. It made me pretty uncomfortable because I feel lile I have been in his pressured into doing something I don't want to do because of "love"

It looked like he didn’t like it initially then felt the intimacy of it. He was hesitant. I can’t imagine it’s going to be on his top 5 requests, but you could see him softening. This could be a one and done scenario or an occasional menu selection. It seemed valuable for him to try something as growth. That it was anal was a bit simplistic though it also was a great vulnerability.

I also agree the pressure was not cool though.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

Agree with this, and I particularly dislike how it was framed as Anthony being withholding generally and "putting up walls", as though doing a specific sexual act (that MANY people find uncomfortable, unnecessarily risky, and not that pleasurable) reflects a general resistance to be intimate. I've encountered that argument before and it's BS. You can be an open, loving person fully capable of true intimacy and still have boundaries regarding sex simply because some things don't feel good or comfortable to you. Conflating certain sex acts with intimacy is childish and the domain of manipulative, sometimes abusive, people.

You know what is truly intimate? Respecting your partners boundaries and accepting them for who they are, instead of threatening to leave the country if they won't let you do anal.

This was incredibly uncomfortable and would have been really infuriating if they portrayed a woman being pushed into anal

Sure. Because most women don’t do it.

But don’t most gay men?

I was surprised by the storyline. Is this even a thing?

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Anonymous wrote:I hate what they did with Anthony’s husband. I know he died in real life and it left Anthony with a loose end, but I hated the whole monk story.

I agree with what someone above said: the professor was boring and Lisa was boring near the end. I’m all for a diverse cast, but give them good story lines.

I dislike Che jumping from person to person.

Aidan repeatedly refused to go back to the apt and then he…just did. No.

Aidan says he needs to be there for his 17 and 20 year old? Uh… and why is the 14 year old screwing up the mom’s issue and he’s been the stable one in the kids’ lives. It isn’t both ways. Either she’s not been around and he raised the kid with issues or she did. If it was a simple running away back to dad’s? Maybe. Not the drugs and crash at 14.

I don't know why you are confused. He's saying that he was the consistent presence in his boys' lives from the beginning because Kathy's job required so much travel, and now that his youngest is having serious issues, he worries that him traveling and being absent is contributing to that. Makes sense to me.

I don't think he's blaming Kathy for Wyatt's issues nor is he blaming himself. He's just accepting that his kid is struggling and he's figuring out how he can give that child what he needs to do better. That's what parents do. It's not about fault. Wyatt needs his dad's consistent presence right now, that means Aiden's focus and physical presence needs to be with Wyatt, not with Carrie. Sometimes as a parent, you have to make sacrifices.

It feels reasonable to me and also somewhat predictable -- every episode since Aiden rejoined the show has included some indication that there is some conflict between his commitment to his kids and his interest in Carrie and in being in NY.

I don’t agree. Carrie said it happened at the mom’s home and the mom is still around that’s when Aidan said he’s been the constant and the mom hasn’t been. If he’s been the constant and nearly always there, he’s not gonna go from being a pretty good kid to a drug using, car stealing runaway at 14. That means that just being present, isn’t enough to stop this kid from the path he’s going down.

VA and NY are close. The kids will still see their mom. Why couldn’t Carrie ans Aidan see each other when the kids see their mom, even a day trip?

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Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

Agree with this, and I particularly dislike how it was framed as Anthony being withholding generally and "putting up walls", as though doing a specific sexual act (that MANY people find uncomfortable, unnecessarily risky, and not that pleasurable) reflects a general resistance to be intimate. I've encountered that argument before and it's BS. You can be an open, loving person fully capable of true intimacy and still have boundaries regarding sex simply because some things don't feel good or comfortable to you. Conflating certain sex acts with intimacy is childish and the domain of manipulative, sometimes abusive, people.

You know what is truly intimate? Respecting your partners boundaries and accepting them for who they are, instead of threatening to leave the country if they won't let you do anal.

This was incredibly uncomfortable and would have been really infuriating if they portrayed a woman being pushed into anal

Sure. Because most women don’t do it.

But don’t most gay men?

I was surprised by the storyline. Is this even a thing?

There was a hilarious scene in SATC either S1 or 2 when Charlotte's new guy wanted anal. They all met up in the back of a cab before her date to discuss. It was light and funny and just another "thing" single women had to deal with while dating.

To answer your question, gay men are usually tops or bottoms. Defined givers or receivers. At least older men (Anthony)are. So that was part of the convo the episode before when he was saying how different their generations are.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate what they did with Anthony’s husband. I know he died in real life and it left Anthony with a loose end, but I hated the whole monk story.

I agree with what someone above said: the professor was boring and Lisa was boring near the end. I’m all for a diverse cast, but give them good story lines.

I dislike Che jumping from person to person.

Aidan repeatedly refused to go back to the apt and then he…just did. No.

Aidan says he needs to be there for his 17 and 20 year old? Uh… and why is the 14 year old screwing up the mom’s issue and he’s been the stable one in the kids’ lives. It isn’t both ways. Either she’s not been around and he raised the kid with issues or she did. If it was a simple running away back to dad’s? Maybe. Not the drugs and crash at 14.

I don't know why you are confused. He's saying that he was the consistent presence in his boys' lives from the beginning because Kathy's job required so much travel, and now that his youngest is having serious issues, he worries that him traveling and being absent is contributing to that. Makes sense to me.

I don't think he's blaming Kathy for Wyatt's issues nor is he blaming himself. He's just accepting that his kid is struggling and he's figuring out how he can give that child what he needs to do better. That's what parents do. It's not about fault. Wyatt needs his dad's consistent presence right now, that means Aiden's focus and physical presence needs to be with Wyatt, not with Carrie. Sometimes as a parent, you have to make sacrifices.

It feels reasonable to me and also somewhat predictable -- every episode since Aiden rejoined the show has included some indication that there is some conflict between his commitment to his kids and his interest in Carrie and in being in NY.

Agree with this. I think his argument that it wouldn’t work for a while was solid. What I didn’t get was thinking they could stop and wait five years to be together and then having happy enthusiastic sex afterwards. That’s what didn’t make sense to me at all.

Agree with all of this. Not sure why Aiden was so specific with a timeline and Carrie just agreed and jumped into bed. Then kissed him goodbye woth a smile. We were supposed to believe he was her great love and maybe her marriage to Big was a mistake. Now that's it until the kid goes to college?

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Anonymous wrote:The Samantha cameo—total LETDOWN.

Samantha being the ride or die and coming in for 1 night to support Carrie. Made me want more of her character. Wish they could incorporate her life in London somehow.

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I don't know why you are confused. He's saying that he was the consistent presence in his boys' lives from the beginning because Kathy's job required so much travel, and now that his youngest is having serious issues, he worries that him traveling and being absent is contributing to that. Makes sense to me.

I don't think he's blaming Kathy for Wyatt's issues nor is he blaming himself. He's just accepting that his kid is struggling and he's figuring out how he can give that child what he needs to do better. That's what parents do. It's not about fault. Wyatt needs his dad's consistent presence right now, that means Aiden's focus and physical presence needs to be with Wyatt, not with Carrie. Sometimes as a parent, you have to make sacrifices.

It feels reasonable to me and also somewhat predictable -- every episode since Aiden rejoined the show has included some indication that there is some conflict between his commitment to his kids and his interest in Carrie and in being in NY.

I get all that, but didn't understand why he wouldn't take her up on her offer to come down and visit him in VA instead of him traveling. It seemed like a reasonable compromise, if he was actually interested in trying to make the relationship work. Or if he isn't, that is totally fine too, but then just let her go, vs. doing a five year postponement.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

Yeah, he looked traumatized during the act.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

Yeah, he looked traumatized during the act.

Don’t disagree

He generally looks traumatized tho

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

Yeah, he looked traumatized during the act.

Don’t disagree

He generally looks traumatized tho

+1. The character—and quite possibly the actor—has two notes: over-the-top-wound-up and “wow this is a genuine moment so I’ll come down and be serious.”

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I don't know why you are confused. He's saying that he was the consistent presence in his boys' lives from the beginning because Kathy's job required so much travel, and now that his youngest is having serious issues, he worries that him traveling and being absent is contributing to that. Makes sense to me.

I don't think he's blaming Kathy for Wyatt's issues nor is he blaming himself. He's just accepting that his kid is struggling and he's figuring out how he can give that child what he needs to do better. That's what parents do. It's not about fault. Wyatt needs his dad's consistent presence right now, that means Aiden's focus and physical presence needs to be with Wyatt, not with Carrie. Sometimes as a parent, you have to make sacrifices.

It feels reasonable to me and also somewhat predictable -- every episode since Aiden rejoined the show has included some indication that there is some conflict between his commitment to his kids and his interest in Carrie and in being in NY.

I get all that, but didn't understand why he wouldn't take her up on her offer to come down and visit him in VA instead of him traveling. It seemed like a reasonable compromise, if he was actually interested in trying to make the relationship work. Or if he isn't, that is totally fine too, but then just let her go, vs. doing a five year postponement.

I mean, you can view it as unrealistic or unfair, but these questions were answered in the scene.

When Carrie suggested that she just come visit him, he said that he'd be thinking about her when she wasn't there. His focus would be on her. His point is that right now, with his kid having serious issues that need to be addressed with his full attention, he can't have this relationship with Carrie that will draw his attention. I think what he was really saying was that the distance isn't even the main issue. Even if Carrie lived in Virginia full-time, he might feel that he needs to hold off on getting into a serious relationship with anyone while his kid is going through this. Wyatt is clearly a troubled kid and has always had issues (Kathy referred to him as their "little puzzle" and Aiden has repeatedly referred to him in ways that indicate he's a lot).

Basically they are positing that Wyatt is essentially a special needs kid (though it may not be clear what those needs are right now, which makes it even more critical, because there are few things more exhausting and frustrating than trying to figure that out with a kid who is obviously struggling but it's just not really clear why) and when you have a SN kid, you sometimes don't get to do things that other people might think are reasonable, like starting a new relationship or splitting time in another city. If it seems unfair and miserable, well... in some ways it is. For everyone.

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The ending with Aidan is implausible.

I know of no couple that paused a relationship for 5 years. You break up or do long distance. Otherwise it just isn’t fair to the other person.

This was a contrived storyline based on not knowing if the show was going to be renewed. I think that’s a recipe for a shitty show. You gotta assume the show is continuing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate that they had Anthony giving in and doing a sexual act he was pressured into. There is nothing wrong with wanting to say no to anal sex. It can lead to fissures and other issues, as Anthony said. Thre are many ways to be physically intimate and romanticizing him doing something he didn’t want to do didn’t sit well with me.

Agree with this, and I particularly dislike how it was framed as Anthony being withholding generally and "putting up walls", as though doing a specific sexual act (that MANY people find uncomfortable, unnecessarily risky, and not that pleasurable) reflects a general resistance to be intimate. I've encountered that argument before and it's BS. You can be an open, loving person fully capable of true intimacy and still have boundaries regarding sex simply because some things don't feel good or comfortable to you. Conflating certain sex acts with intimacy is childish and the domain of manipulative, sometimes abusive, people.

You know what is truly intimate? Respecting your partners boundaries and accepting them for who they are, instead of threatening to leave the country if they won't let you do anal.

This was incredibly uncomfortable and would have been really infuriating if they portrayed a woman being pushed into anal

Anthony looked miserable in that bedroom scene, this was not well written at all.