ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

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How is the SUV? Is it okay? I haven’t heard any status.

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Anonymous wrote:People on this forum and around the country have demonized ICE agents to the point where people feel it is the right thing to drive their car into ICE agents. If the tires hadn't slipped on the ice in the road, the agent would have likely been run over, and many would be celebrating.

This woman had training in resisting ICE, and the trainers likely wanted something like this to happen.

ICE agents have demonized themselves.

This is exactly right. People haven't "demonized" ICE. People have watched ICE trample human rights and due process and they are rightfully fed up and angry about it. ICE operates like thugs. How do they expect Americans to just ignore this. And if they are part of the federal government, we pay their salaries. We have every right to criticize their performance and call out their inadequacies. We have every right to say they need to change. They work for US.

No, Democrats are upset that our immigration laws are being enforced. There is no way that ICE could deport people that Democrats would find acceptable. The woke people who are upset like to virtue signal to make themselves feel morally superior and play savior.

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The brutality is over the top. They are beating people who are already on the ground and not resisting. Does any cop on the site want to explain that one?

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Anonymous wrote:How is the SUV? Is it okay? I haven’t heard any status.

It’s evidence in a murder case.

The Latin Kings are going to love keeping him company.

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Minnesota Senate candidate said people should put their body on the line. Rhetoric like this has encouraged people to act in ways that get them killed.

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Anonymous wrote:People on this forum and around the country have demonized ICE agents to the point where people feel it is the right thing to drive their car into ICE agents. If the tires hadn't slipped on the ice in the road, the agent would have likely been run over, and many would be celebrating.

This woman had training in resisting ICE, and the trainers likely wanted something like this to happen.

ICE agents have demonized themselves.

This is exactly right. People haven't "demonized" ICE. People have watched ICE trample human rights and due process and they are rightfully fed up and angry about it. ICE operates like thugs. How do they expect Americans to just ignore this. And if they are part of the federal government, we pay their salaries. We have every right to criticize their performance and call out their inadequacies. We have every right to say they need to change. They work for US.

No, Democrats are upset that our immigration laws are being enforced. There is no way that ICE could deport people that Democrats would find acceptable. The woke people who are upset like to virtue signal to make themselves feel morally superior and play savior.

Why don’t you gather your army of bots and go protest against human rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Because the lesson learned is that ICE may murder you.

I live in a large city, value my privacy, and try to keep a low profile. I would never choose to taunt or show disrespect to any law enforcement person for any reason. When I ride public transportation, I do the same. Too many unstable, trigger-happy people in this modern world.

You fit the profile of a collaborator.

For anyone else interested in history, people like PP are the ones who enable the actively evil folks, through their immediate acquiescence fueled by cowardice.

Your opinion means nothing. Survival so that I can be a mother to my young children means much more to me than dying as a martyr and leaving my child with no mother or father. .

NP and I won't call you a collaborator. I totally understand and have been thinking a lot about the privilege I have attending protests because a) I am white b) I have the means to call a lawyer immediately c) I am I over 50 and my kids don't need me the way they used to. I think about these privileges every time I attend a protest with the awareness that 10-15 years ago, I would not have dared to make the same choices.

But that said, it would have been a choice to prioritize one responsibility over another. I would not have changed my understanding of injustice. And I would have been grateful of those who took on the risks.

I think PPs are reacting negatively because sounds like you are implicitly criticizing the person who makes a different decision instead of criticizing the person who murdered her.

Thank you for taking the time to post this comment. Although not in every post, I have actually said several times that she didn't deserve to die and that he was wrong. I still believe we all make choices and that results/consequences may not be fair, rational, or what we wanted. Life can be very hard. My children are my priority.

If you are saying you would fear to protest injustice, because you don't want to lose your life and orphan your children, that says a lot about how far this country has fallen. The Trump administration has made us as bad as all the other horrible autocracies we watch in horror as they kill their own people.

You don't have young kids?

Read the post again. A person with or without kids in American should not fear for their LIFE going to a protest. Might they get arrested, depending on the situation, sure. But shot in the head three times?

Stop defending murder. Stop defending this as business as usual in America. In America, peaceful protest should not end up with you being shot. There is zero evidence in those multiple videos that the shooting was justified. It was a trigger-happy, angry ICE agent who created a situation so he could shoot someone. He belongs in jail.

She was not protesting, she was committing a crime. There’s a difference. Interfering with a police investigation is a crime.

Since when is waving cars around your car a crime? ICE are not police and were not conducting an investigating. They were driving by and created an incident where there didn't need to be one. Trigger-happy thugs. You are nuts. You believe cold blooded murder is ok. Please stay away from the rest of us you lunatic.

You clearly missed the footage of what she was doing 10 min prior to ICE arrival. Go back and rewatch it.

Ice was not driving by, they were in the middle of their operation. Please stay away from the rest of us, you lunatic.

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Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.

Oh jeez. Have you ever seen those first amendment videos where the people recording are straight up dicks to police and the people they record? Most of the time the police are professional and follow protocol.

ICE's protocol seems not to even try to deescalte. And police would never record with their cell phone and stand in front of a car. Not to mention the other approaching aggressively, swearing, and trying to open her car door right off the bat.

The behavior is allowed and encouraged. So horrible it led to a shooting/murder.

Taunting and shouting is allowed. Obstruction of them isn’t nor is using car as a battering ram. Per neighbors, the whole street was clogged with traffic due to their car blocking a significant portion of the street. There were 6+ ice vehicles and more personnel trying to get through. They were on duty with other missions planned for the day and her car was significantly slowing traffic. They were within reason to tell her to move and arrest her when she wouldn’t.

Driving your car into officers also isn’t allowed or part of a peaceful protest. Even if he shouldn’t have been in front of her car, that doesn’t give her permission to run him over and drag the other guy at her window along. Whether use of deadly force was reasonable - I don’t know. But her attempting to drive away when she did was illegal and dangerous, and not reasonable. Needs to be hashed out in court

FYI, there are NUMEROUS videos of ICE using their vehicles as battering rams.

It’s called a TVI or PIT. Many LE organizations train that maneuver and employ it against suspect vehicles on the street.

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Anonymous wrote:People on this forum and around the country have demonized ICE agents to the point where people feel it is the right thing to drive their car into ICE agents. If the tires hadn't slipped on the ice in the road, the agent would have likely been run over, and many would be celebrating.

This woman had training in resisting ICE, and the trainers likely wanted something like this to happen.

ICE agents have demonized themselves.

This is exactly right. People haven't "demonized" ICE. People have watched ICE trample human rights and due process and they are rightfully fed up and angry about it. ICE operates like thugs. How do they expect Americans to just ignore this. And if they are part of the federal government, we pay their salaries. We have every right to criticize their performance and call out their inadequacies. We have every right to say they need to change. They work for US.

No, Democrats are upset that our immigration laws are being enforced. There is no way that ICE could deport people that Democrats would find acceptable. The woke people who are upset like to virtue signal to make themselves feel morally superior and play savior.

Why don’t you gather your army of bots and go protest against human rights.

Is this the script of the day that you received? To inside more violance and riots? Not happening. The only people who are rioting are crazy left and paid geriatric protestors.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people online actually saying that the only thing they care about is the dog. They don't care that a human being is dead. But these same people were probably ready to kill anyone who made mention of Charlie Kirk's views on guns when he was shot.

MAGA are sick, sick people.

Not maga but I am concerned about the dog. He literally had no dog in this fight.

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Anonymous wrote:Minnesota Senate candidate said people should put their body on the line. Rhetoric like this has encouraged people to act in ways that get them killed.

JD Vance is out here convincing these ICE bums that they are immune, which seems rather inadvisable. Not only are they subject to prosecution, they are going to likely escalate their illegal behavior to the point that people start responding.

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Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.

Oh jeez. Have you ever seen those first amendment videos where the people recording are straight up dicks to police and the people they record? Most of the time the police are professional and follow protocol.

ICE's protocol seems not to even try to deescalte. And police would never record with their cell phone and stand in front of a car. Not to mention the other approaching aggressively, swearing, and trying to open her car door right off the bat.

The behavior is allowed and encouraged. So horrible it led to a shooting/murder.

Taunting and shouting is allowed. Obstruction of them isn’t nor is using car as a battering ram. Per neighbors, the whole street was clogged with traffic due to their car blocking a significant portion of the street. There were 6+ ice vehicles and more personnel trying to get through. They were on duty with other missions planned for the day and her car was significantly slowing traffic. They were within reason to tell her to move and arrest her when she wouldn’t.

Driving your car into officers also isn’t allowed or part of a peaceful protest. Even if he shouldn’t have been in front of her car, that doesn’t give her permission to run him over and drag the other guy at her window along. Whether use of deadly force was reasonable - I don’t know. But her attempting to drive away when she did was illegal and dangerous, and not reasonable. Needs to be hashed out in court

FYI, there are NUMEROUS videos of ICE using their vehicles as battering rams.

It’s called a TVI or PIT. Many LE organizations train that maneuver and employ it against suspect vehicles on the street.

Ehhh, battering rams against humans. In much more precarious scenarios than supposedly scared the snowflake Jonathan Ross.

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Anonymous wrote:People on this forum and around the country have demonized ICE agents to the point where people feel it is the right thing to drive their car into ICE agents. If the tires hadn't slipped on the ice in the road, the agent would have likely been run over, and many would be celebrating.

This woman had training in resisting ICE, and the trainers likely wanted something like this to happen.

ICE agents have demonized themselves.

This is exactly right. People haven't "demonized" ICE. People have watched ICE trample human rights and due process and they are rightfully fed up and angry about it. ICE operates like thugs. How do they expect Americans to just ignore this. And if they are part of the federal government, we pay their salaries. We have every right to criticize their performance and call out their inadequacies. We have every right to say they need to change. They work for US.

No, Democrats are upset that our immigration laws are being enforced. There is no way that ICE could deport people that Democrats would find acceptable. The woke people who are upset like to virtue signal to make themselves feel morally superior and play savior.

Why don’t you gather your army of bots and go protest against human rights.

Is this the script of the day that you received? To inside more violance and riots? Not happening. The only people who are rioting are crazy left and paid geriatric protestors.

This is really sad, even for maga.

We are winning. ICE is going to go away and the fascist roaches will scurry back to hide in the dark.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.

Oh jeez. Have you ever seen those first amendment videos where the people recording are straight up dicks to police and the people they record? Most of the time the police are professional and follow protocol.

ICE's protocol seems not to even try to deescalte. And police would never record with their cell phone and stand in front of a car. Not to mention the other approaching aggressively, swearing, and trying to open her car door right off the bat.

The behavior is allowed and encouraged. So horrible it led to a shooting/murder.

Taunting and shouting is allowed. Obstruction of them isn’t nor is using car as a battering ram. Per neighbors, the whole street was clogged with traffic due to their car blocking a significant portion of the street. There were 6+ ice vehicles and more personnel trying to get through. They were on duty with other missions planned for the day and her car was significantly slowing traffic. They were within reason to tell her to move and arrest her when she wouldn’t.

Driving your car into officers also isn’t allowed or part of a peaceful protest. Even if he shouldn’t have been in front of her car, that doesn’t give her permission to run him over and drag the other guy at her window along. Whether use of deadly force was reasonable - I don’t know. But her attempting to drive away when she did was illegal and dangerous, and not reasonable. Needs to be hashed out in court

FYI, there are NUMEROUS videos of ICE using their vehicles as battering rams.

It’s called a TVI or PIT. Many LE organizations train that maneuver and employ it against suspect vehicles on the street.

Ehhh, battering rams against humans. In much more precarious scenarios than supposedly scared the snowflake Jonathan Ross.

In a previous incident, Ross was injured while in the same position his partner is in here. Not just protecting himself, but his partner.

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Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Because the lesson learned is that ICE may murder you.

I live in a large city, value my privacy, and try to keep a low profile. I would never choose to taunt or show disrespect to any law enforcement person for any reason. When I ride public transportation, I do the same. Too many unstable, trigger-happy people in this modern world.

You fit the profile of a collaborator.

For anyone else interested in history, people like PP are the ones who enable the actively evil folks, through their immediate acquiescence fueled by cowardice.

Your opinion means nothing. Survival so that I can be a mother to my young children means much more to me than dying as a martyr and leaving my child with no mother or father. .

NP and I won't call you a collaborator. I totally understand and have been thinking a lot about the privilege I have attending protests because a) I am white b) I have the means to call a lawyer immediately c) I am I over 50 and my kids don't need me the way they used to. I think about these privileges every time I attend a protest with the awareness that 10-15 years ago, I would not have dared to make the same choices.

But that said, it would have been a choice to prioritize one responsibility over another. I would not have changed my understanding of injustice. And I would have been grateful of those who took on the risks.

I think PPs are reacting negatively because sounds like you are implicitly criticizing the person who makes a different decision instead of criticizing the person who murdered her.

Thank you for taking the time to post this comment. Although not in every post, I have actually said several times that she didn't deserve to die and that he was wrong. I still believe we all make choices and that results/consequences may not be fair, rational, or what we wanted. Life can be very hard. My children are my priority.

If you are saying you would fear to protest injustice, because you don't want to lose your life and orphan your children, that says a lot about how far this country has fallen. The Trump administration has made us as bad as all the other horrible autocracies we watch in horror as they kill their own people.

You don't have young kids?

Read the post again. A person with or without kids in American should not fear for their LIFE going to a protest. Might they get arrested, depending on the situation, sure. But shot in the head three times?

Stop defending murder. Stop defending this as business as usual in America. In America, peaceful protest should not end up with you being shot. There is zero evidence in those multiple videos that the shooting was justified. It was a trigger-happy, angry ICE agent who created a situation so he could shoot someone. He belongs in jail.

Protests are and have often been deadly. Are you even properly educated at all? As long as human beings involved, things are gonna go left sometimes.