ICE Shooting in Minneapolis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She was ordered out of the car. At that point anything else she did was attempting to escape arrest. She was using a deadly weapon in the attempt and that gave a reasonable fear of death / great bodily injury to all of the nearby officers, not just the one in front of her. A frame from his video posted showed her looking directly at him yet she still drove forward. How is this different from a suspect trying to shoot their way out of arrest?

You need to quit cosplaying internet lawyer. Because it's really coming across as moronic.

[Anonymous]

Why didn’t he shoot her tires rather than her head 3 times?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Way to be horrible people blaming a victim who did NOTHING, repeat NOTHING, that warranted an immediate death sentence.

She reversed her car in a turn that put an ICE agent directly in her vehicle's path.

Did she run him over?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is Trump stating he will hit Iran hard if they kill protesters when his own goons are killing protesters here?

I just read that this morning and laughed out loud....holy hypocrisy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would you tell your own child to follow and harass the police for hours, then block traffic and then drive away once confronted by the police?

Would you tell your child to shoot someone in the face three times for blocking the road?

If after they blocked the road and then tried to run me over, yes.

Do you know the first thing an officer tells a drunk as they are pleading to be let go and they’ll take an uber? They say, in your condition we have no idea what harm you may have caused tonight in your condition. We are doing this for everyone’s safety.

In Renee’s case, it was her own safety she sacrificed, and for what.

Would you tell your daughter to get out of the vehicle and go with the unidentified masked men screaming in her face and pointing a gun at her? Or would you tell her to drive away?

I would tell my daughter not to disrupt a lawful proceeding and to obey the people she knows are police. In the victim's case, she brought a car to a gun fight.

That's fine, but what if she just happens to be in a place where ICE rolls in? There is no telling where these days.

I would follow all their directives and teach my kids the same. Don't antagonize. Don't taunt. Don't make waves.

Because the lesson learned is that ICE may murder you.

I live in a large city, value my privacy, and try to keep a low profile. I would never choose to taunt or show disrespect to any law enforcement person for any reason. When I ride public transportation, I do the same. Too many unstable, trigger-happy people in this modern world.

You fit the profile of a collaborator.

For anyone else interested in history, people like PP are the ones who enable the actively evil folks, through their immediate acquiescence fueled by cowardice.

Your opinion means nothing. Survival so that I can be a mother to my young children means much more to me than dying as a martyr and leaving my child with no mother or father. .

NP and I won't call you a collaborator. I totally understand and have been thinking a lot about the privilege I have attending protests because a) I am white b) I have the means to call a lawyer immediately c) I am I over 50 and my kids don't need me the way they used to. I think about these privileges every time I attend a protest with the awareness that 10-15 years ago, I would not have dared to make the same choices.

But that said, it would have been a choice to prioritize one responsibility over another. I would not have changed my understanding of injustice. And I would have been grateful of those who took on the risks.

I think PPs are reacting negatively because sounds like you are implicitly criticizing the person who makes a different decision instead of criticizing the person who murdered her.

Thank you for taking the time to post this comment. Although not in every post, I have actually said several times that she didn't deserve to die and that he was wrong. I still believe we all make choices and that results/consequences may not be fair, rational, or what we wanted. Life can be very hard. My children are my priority.

If you are saying you would fear to protest injustice, because you don't want to lose your life and orphan your children, that says a lot about how far this country has fallen. The Trump administration has made us as bad as all the other horrible autocracies we watch in horror as they kill their own people.

You don't have young kids?

Read the post again. A person with or without kids in American should not fear for their LIFE going to a protest. Might they get arrested, depending on the situation, sure. But shot in the head three times?

Stop defending murder. Stop defending this as business as usual in America. In America, peaceful protest should not end up with you being shot. There is zero evidence in those multiple videos that the shooting was justified. It was a trigger-happy, angry ICE agent who created a situation so he could shoot someone. He belongs in jail.

She was not protesting, she was committing a crime. There’s a difference. Interfering with a police investigation is a crime.

She was not committing a crime. At worst, she should have gotten a traffic ticket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t he shoot her tires rather than her head 3 times?

Like silencers, that is something out of Hollywood and not reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

These protestors in this video here are not committing a crime and they are not impeding an ICE investigation.

Yet ICE smashes their window, drags them out and beats them up. Since they are American citizens they can't actually arrest them and they have nowhere to detain them.

So they are just beating them up, dumping them a few blocks from their car.

This is going on all over Minneapolis right now and in other states as well. You can say "Just don't commit crimes and you won't be bothered" but how do you know? If ICE agents are alowed to do these things with impunity, with absolute immunity, how do you know they won't also come after you?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Watch/comments/1qa46b6/ice_agents_smash_the_window_of_an_activists_car/

Deflection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t he shoot her tires rather than her head 3 times?

Do you work for a large metropolitan police department too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Way to be horrible people blaming a victim who did NOTHING, repeat NOTHING, that warranted an immediate death sentence.

She reversed her car in a turn that put an ICE agent directly in her vehicle's path.

The ICE agent (stupidly) put himself in the vehicle’s path by walking in front of it, and going against protocol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The news media has reported paid agitators and bots are posting the majority of the hate comments against Renee Good. The Minneapolis Star is even deriving the script the agitators are using based on repeated phrases and identical false claims.”

I mean, we knew this, but it’s nice to see it validated.

Yep. There is no support for ICE. Even my conservative friends are upset and pissed off. ICE will be defunded and its responsibilities will be moved to other governments agencies.

No. Schumer and Jeffries have already said ICE will not be defunded. They have appropriated $120 Billion towards ICE and the hiring of 10,000 new agents with $50,000 bonuses each, not to mention the establishment of new detention facilities that will hold an additional 100,000 detainees. The Democratic leadership is not touching that. Schumer and Jeffries are very clear about this. And that is who Democrats have chosen to be their leaders in the House and Senate. So nothing happening there.

State and local gov.t have tremendous power to curb ICE. The fact that they have not done so is enraging. We must all insist our local law enforcement have non-cooperation agreements with ICE unless it is a criminal arrest.
Also, state and local governments can and should:
Track ICE apprehensions/ account for all victims
Run support hotline for impacted families
Provide legal aid to immigrants
Track ICE locations & share Info with immigrants at risk
Maintain list of ICE license plates.

What do you mean by immigrants at risk?

Immigrants who are not criminals. Over staying a visa is a civil offense. And then there are the violence against immigrant greencard holders and US citizens.

I’d say immigrants who are brown and/or speak with an “different” accent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.

Ok now do Ashli Babbitt the one you all love to defend....she was such a patriot for you all but she ignored many commands after breaking in to the capitol during an insurrection. Let's talk please we'd love to hear your analysis. Why was that agent who gave her many commands as he protected senators mean nothing but this POS ICE agent who called her an Fing Bit4h
get a pass with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.

Oh jeez. Have you ever seen those first amendment videos where the people recording are straight up dicks to police and the people they record? Most of the time the police are professional and follow protocol.

ICE's protocol seems not to even try to deescalte. And police would never record with their cell phone and stand in front of a car. Not to mention the other approaching aggressively, swearing, and trying to open her car door right off the bat.

The behavior is allowed and encouraged. So horrible it led to a shooting/murder.

Taunting and shouting is allowed. Obstruction of them isn’t nor is using car as a battering ram. Per neighbors, the whole street was clogged with traffic due to their car blocking a significant portion of the street. There were 6+ ice vehicles and more personnel trying to get through. They were on duty with other missions planned for the day and her car was significantly slowing traffic. They were within reason to tell her to move and arrest her when she wouldn’t.

Driving your car into officers also isn’t allowed or part of a peaceful protest. Even if he shouldn’t have been in front of her car, that doesn’t give her permission to run him over and drag the other guy at her window along. Whether use of deadly force was reasonable - I don’t know. But her attempting to drive away when she did was illegal and dangerous, and not reasonable. Needs to be hashed out in court

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The news media has reported paid agitators and bots are posting the majority of the hate comments against Renee Good. The Minneapolis Star is even deriving the script the agitators are using based on repeated phrases and identical false claims.”

I mean, we knew this, but it’s nice to see it validated.

Yep. There is no support for ICE. Even my conservative friends are upset and pissed off. ICE will be defunded and its responsibilities will be moved to other governments agencies.

No. Schumer and Jeffries have already said ICE will not be defunded. They have appropriated $120 Billion towards ICE and the hiring of 10,000 new agents with $50,000 bonuses each, not to mention the establishment of new detention facilities that will hold an additional 100,000 detainees. The Democratic leadership is not touching that. Schumer and Jeffries are very clear about this. And that is who Democrats have chosen to be their leaders in the House and Senate. So nothing happening there.

State and local gov.t have tremendous power to curb ICE. The fact that they have not done so is enraging. We must all insist our local law enforcement have non-cooperation agreements with ICE unless it is a criminal arrest.
Also, state and local governments can and should:
Track ICE apprehensions/ account for all victims
Run support hotline for impacted families
Provide legal aid to immigrants
Track ICE locations & share Info with immigrants at risk
Maintain list of ICE license plates.

What do you mean by immigrants at risk?

Immigrants who are not criminals. Over staying a visa is a civil offense. And then there are the violence against immigrant greencard holders and US citizens.

The punishment for violation of immigration laws is deportation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The news media has reported paid agitators and bots are posting the majority of the hate comments against Renee Good. The Minneapolis Star is even deriving the script the agitators are using based on repeated phrases and identical false claims.”

I mean, we knew this, but it’s nice to see it validated.

Yep. There is no support for ICE. Even my conservative friends are upset and pissed off. ICE will be defunded and its responsibilities will be moved to other governments agencies.

Nonsense. ICE was given record funding. There is no chance of them being defunded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She and her wife were taunting ICE and provoking them for several minutes before the incident. It was in no way unreasonable for the officer to believe that she was going to run into him.

Verdict: not guilty of anything.

Oh jeez. Have you ever seen those first amendment videos where the people recording are straight up dicks to police and the people they record? Most of the time the police are professional and follow protocol.

ICE's protocol seems not to even try to deescalte. And police would never record with their cell phone and stand in front of a car. Not to mention the other approaching aggressively, swearing, and trying to open her car door right off the bat.

The behavior is allowed and encouraged. So horrible it led to a shooting/murder.

Taunting and shouting is allowed. Obstruction of them isn’t nor is using car as a battering ram. Per neighbors, the whole street was clogged with traffic due to their car blocking a significant portion of the street. There were 6+ ice vehicles and more personnel trying to get through. They were on duty with other missions planned for the day and her car was significantly slowing traffic. They were within reason to tell her to move and arrest her when she wouldn’t.

Driving your car into officers also isn’t allowed or part of a peaceful protest. Even if he shouldn’t have been in front of her car, that doesn’t give her permission to run him over and drag the other guy at her window along. Whether use of deadly force was reasonable - I don’t know. But her attempting to drive away when she did was illegal and dangerous, and not reasonable. Needs to be hashed out in court

FYI, there are NUMEROUS videos of ICE using their vehicles as battering rams.