CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD

[Anonymous]

By show of hands how many of you knew this? As reported by NPR today:...

For a moment there I though they reported NO new cases. They might be telling the truth. They are not reporting them indeed.

Under its newest COVID-19 prevention guidelines, China does not include in its overall daily count for total and for new cases those who retest positive after being released from medical care. China also does not include asymptomatic cases in case counts.

"I have no idea why the authorities choose not to count [asymptomatic] cases in the official case count. I am baffled," said one of the Wuhan doctors who had a second positive test after recovering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By show of hands how many of you knew this? As reported by NPR today:...

For a moment there I though they reported NO new cases. They might be telling the truth. They are not reporting them indeed.

Under its newest COVID-19 prevention guidelines, China does not include in its overall daily count for total and for new cases those who retest positive after being released from medical care. China also does not include asymptomatic cases in case counts.

"I have no idea why the authorities choose not to count [asymptomatic] cases in the official case count. I am baffled," said one of the Wuhan doctors who had a second positive test after recovering.

source:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/27/822407626/mystery-in-wuhan-recovered-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-then-positive

[Anonymous]

Has any scientist or other reputable person ventured a guess as to when we all might be able to at least go back to school? I know it is very hard to predict these things, but I wish I knew if it were more like June or more like September or more like a year from now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has any scientist or other reputable person ventured a guess as to when we all might be able to at least go back to school? I know it is very hard to predict these things, but I wish I knew if it were more like June or more like September or more like a year from now?

Dude, most of us here fell into the "or the other reputable person" category.

Nobody knows. So anyone's guess is pretty much equal at this point, short of glass ball.

I predict Fall will be the time.

We will be done with the first round of this thing by the mid summer.
Because it will be dying down due to the warm weather, as all the self respecting coronaviruses die down in summer being cold viruses.
Also, because we will have a TON of people who will recover from it, another TON who will get plasma and get immunity and for the rest we will have TON of tests, rapid fast test to do DNA profiling and tell you who had it, and who did not and all those who will test as had it, will be safe. For the rest we will have medication and isolation.

So by fall, comes this stuff second round we will be in business. lock and loaded.
Many unfortunate weak hosts - died...

All recovered, check.
All plasma-ted with immunity, check.
All DNA tested for immunity, check.
All who did not have it yet tested and observed, check.

We will be able to go with the business as usually comes to fall school.

Not to say the COVID won't pay us a second visit, yes it will but we will be different country to welcome it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has any scientist or other reputable person ventured a guess as to when we all might be able to at least go back to school? I know it is very hard to predict these things, but I wish I knew if it were more like June or more like September or more like a year from now?

The Stanford Nobel laureate Levitt who accurately predicted the China peak times predicts US will peak in a few weeks and that US will return to normal far sooner than many are currently predicting. However, I tend to agree with PP that even if the situation stabilizes by May, it is unlikely many schools will open in order to demonstrate “an abundance of caution.” (Very popular catch phrase of late). Therefore I agree next Fall is likely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has any scientist or other reputable person ventured a guess as to when we all might be able to at least go back to school? I know it is very hard to predict these things, but I wish I knew if it were more like June or more like September or more like a year from now?

The Stanford Nobel laureate Levitt who accurately predicted the China peak times predicts US will peak in a few weeks and that US will return to normal far sooner than many are currently predicting. However, I tend to agree with PP that even if the situation stabilizes by May, it is unlikely many schools will open in order to demonstrate “an abundance of caution.” (Very popular catch phrase of late). Therefore I agree next Fall is likely.

Is he the guy whose prediction China fitted their curve to? We don't fit curves like that here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has any scientist or other reputable person ventured a guess as to when we all might be able to at least go back to school? I know it is very hard to predict these things, but I wish I knew if it were more like June or more like September or more like a year from now?

The Stanford Nobel laureate Levitt who accurately predicted the China peak times predicts US will peak in a few weeks and that US will return to normal far sooner than many are currently predicting. However, I tend to agree with PP that even if the situation stabilizes by May, it is unlikely many schools will open in order to demonstrate “an abundance of caution.” (Very popular catch phrase of late). Therefore I agree next Fall is likely.

Please link that because I would like to see an explanation of how he can make that kind of prediction when some states are doing a lot and other states are doing nothing. How does the whole country peak at once? That sounds implausible. Is it the same one that made the other bad predictions about the US?

[Anonymous]

Why are people still getting on cruise ships? I feel like we will be asking this question now through the summer.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/us/four-dead-holland-america-cruise-ship/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

SO.....98.5% of American's will be fine, and we're going to start the biggest recession we've ever seen? Put millions out of jobs? Bankrupt the country? Increase suicide, domestic abuse, and child abuse rates?

We should isolate the at-risk population, continue to search for a cure, but get on with our lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Go for it.

Your numbers are way off

We are not prepared how hard is this ?..

1. NO not most of the country will be fine. Most of the people who will recover from it, even if alive will have o deal with tons of debilitating health issues for life.
2. Are we going to start recession? I don't know, aren't we in cyclic economy that goes through ups and downs and haven't we due one anyway? Would we say the same thing should it come?
3. We don't need to put millions out of the job, once this thing will end, we all will need to go back to live and use the same services. NEEDS will NOT disappear overnight or over few months or weeks whatever.
People will STILL need to eat, to shop, to do their hair, to buy cars, to eat in restaurants, to go to the doctor to go to the dentists.. we will need all that so economy won't collapse. People will be hungry for all services and products not having them for so long.
4. Increased suicide you say? Do tell me where will lead deaths of family members exposed to CV due to work or school? Where will lead loosing providers for kids and all.. no suicides you say? debilitating health conditions past CV.. not suicides you say?
5. Domestic abuse and child abuse my dear is not going to change just because you want it to. It is either in people or it is not. If they were at each other's throat all those years, they shell continue, if not they won't start. No change here, no difference. If anything having parents or spouses at home and getting an opportunity to spend some quality time while nobody really never could before might do good rather then bad as you think.

Your talking points are very fake and kind of fearmongering if you ask. They are designed to show very one dimensional situation and scare into submission. Yes, we can all suffer some if we keep the country close some, but this is smaller price to pay then infecting everyone and pay then. There will be no going back. No do over no becksies.

This is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

SO.....98.5% of American's will be fine, and we're going to start the biggest recession we've ever seen? Put millions out of jobs? Bankrupt the country? Increase suicide, domestic abuse, and child abuse rates?

We should isolate the at-risk population, continue to search for a cure, but get on with our lives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Go for it.

Your numbers are way off

We are not prepared how hard is this ?..

1. NO not most of the country will be fine. Most of the people who will recover from it, even if alive will have o deal with tons of debilitating health issues for life.
2. Are we going to start recession? I don't know, aren't we in cyclic economy that goes through ups and downs and haven't we due one anyway? Would we say the same thing should it come?
3. We don't need to put millions out of the job, once this thing will end, we all will need to go back to live and use the same services. NEEDS will NOT disappear overnight or over few months or weeks whatever.
People will STILL need to eat, to shop, to do their hair, to buy cars, to eat in restaurants, to go to the doctor to go to the dentists.. we will need all that so economy won't collapse. People will be hungry for all services and products not having them for so long.
4. Increased suicide you say? Do tell me where will lead deaths of family members exposed to CV due to work or school? Where will lead loosing providers for kids and all.. no suicides you say? debilitating health conditions past CV.. not suicides you say?
5. Domestic abuse and child abuse my dear is not going to change just because you want it to. It is either in people or it is not. If they were at each other's throat all those years, they shell continue, if not they won't start. No change here, no difference. If anything having parents or spouses at home and getting an opportunity to spend some quality time while nobody really never could before might do good rather then bad as you think.

Your talking points are very fake and kind of fearmongering if you ask. They are designed to show very one dimensional situation and scare into submission. Yes, we can all suffer some if we keep the country close some, but this is smaller price to pay then infecting everyone and pay then. There will be no going back. No do over no becksies.

This is wrong.

Call the police if you know about abuse. You want people to literally die.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has any scientist or other reputable person ventured a guess as to when we all might be able to at least go back to school? I know it is very hard to predict these things, but I wish I knew if it were more like June or more like September or more like a year from now?

The Stanford Nobel laureate Levitt who accurately predicted the China peak times predicts US will peak in a few weeks and that US will return to normal far sooner than many are currently predicting. However, I tend to agree with PP that even if the situation stabilizes by May, it is unlikely many schools will open in order to demonstrate “an abundance of caution.” (Very popular catch phrase of late). Therefore I agree next Fall is likely.

Please link that because I would like to see an explanation of how he can make that kind of prediction when some states are doing a lot and other states are doing nothing. How does the whole country peak at once? That sounds implausible. Is it the same one that made the other bad predictions about the US?

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/489415-nobel-laureate-predicts-us-will-experience
Published in other papers also ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has any scientist or other reputable person ventured a guess as to when we all might be able to at least go back to school? I know it is very hard to predict these things, but I wish I knew if it were more like June or more like September or more like a year from now?

The Stanford Nobel laureate Levitt who accurately predicted the China peak times predicts US will peak in a few weeks and that US will return to normal far sooner than many are currently predicting. However, I tend to agree with PP that even if the situation stabilizes by May, it is unlikely many schools will open in order to demonstrate “an abundance of caution.” (Very popular catch phrase of late). Therefore I agree next Fall is likely.

Please link that because I would like to see an explanation of how he can make that kind of prediction when some states are doing a lot and other states are doing nothing. How does the whole country peak at once? That sounds implausible. Is it the same one that made the other bad predictions about the US?

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/489415-nobel-laureate-predicts-us-will-experience
Published in other papers also ...

Good point though — patch work aspect not addressed ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has any scientist or other reputable person ventured a guess as to when we all might be able to at least go back to school? I know it is very hard to predict these things, but I wish I knew if it were more like June or more like September or more like a year from now?

The Stanford Nobel laureate Levitt who accurately predicted the China peak times predicts US will peak in a few weeks and that US will return to normal far sooner than many are currently predicting. However, I tend to agree with PP that even if the situation stabilizes by May, it is unlikely many schools will open in order to demonstrate “an abundance of caution.” (Very popular catch phrase of late). Therefore I agree next Fall is likely.

Please link that because I would like to see an explanation of how he can make that kind of prediction when some states are doing a lot and other states are doing nothing. How does the whole country peak at once? That sounds implausible. Is it the same one that made the other bad predictions about the US?

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/489415-nobel-laureate-predicts-us-will-experience
Published in other papers also ...

That’s the one I thought you were talking about. It was posted here several days ago. The one you posted is undated but the others are about a week old. I argued for many reasons (obvious reasons IMO) that he was wrong and was shot down because I don’t have a Nobel prize. We are not like China. That’s the number one reason. It’s been several days since this article was posted originally and he’s already been proven wrong. He was basing it on a single day drop which is about as useless as you can get. He should know better than to use data like that to extrapolate anything. Here’s the LA times article linked from your article. Look at the chart in it for new infections per day. He wasn’t just wrong when he said this - he was as wrong as anyone could possibly have been. And I mean that, he could have traveled back in time from today or yesterday and knowing the future and given the least accurate prediction possible and that’s what he had. Cases weren’t leveling off or even slowing down. It was a blip in the data. We are adding 10’s of thousands of cases a day now. We have over 100k cases. We have more than anyone now. Someone needs to call him out for this.
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate?fbclid=IwAR162uNamWY9S2fKluAi-8oO1WilEw9nKanFg_XzSlKF5UE8HA83YkHQs-A

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has any scientist or other reputable person ventured a guess as to when we all might be able to at least go back to school? I know it is very hard to predict these things, but I wish I knew if it were more like June or more like September or more like a year from now?

The Stanford Nobel laureate Levitt who accurately predicted the China peak times predicts US will peak in a few weeks and that US will return to normal far sooner than many are currently predicting. However, I tend to agree with PP that even if the situation stabilizes by May, it is unlikely many schools will open in order to demonstrate “an abundance of caution.” (Very popular catch phrase of late). Therefore I agree next Fall is likely.

Please link that because I would like to see an explanation of how he can make that kind of prediction when some states are doing a lot and other states are doing nothing. How does the whole country peak at once? That sounds implausible. Is it the same one that made the other bad predictions about the US?

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/489415-nobel-laureate-predicts-us-will-experience
Published in other papers also ...

That’s the one I thought you were talking about. It was posted here several days ago. The one you posted is undated but the others are about a week old. I argued for many reasons (obvious reasons IMO) that he was wrong and was shot down because I don’t have a Nobel prize. We are not like China. That’s the number one reason. It’s been several days since this article was posted originally and he’s already been proven wrong. He was basing it on a single day drop which is about as useless as you can get. He should know better than to use data like that to extrapolate anything. Here’s the LA times article linked from your article. Look at the chart in it for new infections per day. He wasn’t just wrong when he said this - he was as wrong as anyone could possibly have been. And I mean that, he could have traveled back in time from today or yesterday and knowing the future and given the least accurate prediction possible and that’s what he had. Cases weren’t leveling off or even slowing down. It was a blip in the data. We are adding 10’s of thousands of cases a day now. We have over 100k cases. We have more than anyone now. Someone needs to call him out for this.
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate?fbclid=IwAR162uNamWY9S2fKluAi-8oO1WilEw9nKanFg_XzSlKF5UE8HA83YkHQs-A

Most of the articles conveying Levitt’s view were published four days ago and I only read about it then. There were slightly less than 20,000 new US cases today but yes the US does have the unwanted distinction of having the most corona cases.

I already stated that you raised good points and Levitt’s view does not address the US patchwork aspect. You are right to point out that the divergent state approaches to enforcing social distancing adds unpredictability in general outcomes.

That said, US has some strong factors in its favor for weathering this viral plague relatively well. The US has youngest age population of the developed world. Age is one of most important factors in how well people recover from virus. US has a well fed population, relatively clean air, and good public cleanliness and hygiene. Some other countries that are far more crowded, and with far fewer hospital ICU beds and ventilators than the US (such as India) face much grimmer prospects for weathering this storm.

We are all in this huge mess together. God bless the heroes and heroines on the front lines in hospitals and grocery stores/ pharmacies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are people still getting on cruise ships? I feel like we will be asking this question now through the summer.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/us/four-dead-holland-america-cruise-ship/index.html

I was wondering the same thing.