New Additions to Leagues Check Up (ECNL & GA)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any rankings platform you have to pay for, consider it compromised. More entertainment and stroking parent egos that there daughters on the 5th best team in Illinois.

actually the opposite would be true. if its free, then someone is paying for and has compromised it.

the app is free if you want to search on individual age group teams. ie 2008 Girls Nationals. you only have to pay a yearly 9.99 fee if you want "club rankings overall, girls overall club rankings and boys overall club rankings. you also get 30 days free trial so not so bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The app is way more accurate than gotsoccer. Gotsoccer rankings are an antiquated system. Can't believe you diehard "soccer" parents don't know of the app. Like where have you been? Gotsoccer is garbage. Whenever someone mentions rankings from gotsoccer, I laugh and it shows you obviously know nothing about rankings.

I know the app, it immediately lost any credibility when i found out how it ranks teams. I don't bother with any youth soccer rankings, outside the top 25 or so teams you are truly wasting your time. To think there is any merit to these arbitrary crowdsourced rankings in the hundreds is comical.

It ranks teams purely based on the outcomes of their games. That's it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The app is way more accurate than gotsoccer. Gotsoccer rankings are an antiquated system. Can't believe you diehard "soccer" parents don't know of the app. Like where have you been? Gotsoccer is garbage. Whenever someone mentions rankings from gotsoccer, I laugh and it shows you obviously know nothing about rankings.

I know the app, it immediately lost any credibility when i found out how it ranks teams. I don't bother with any youth soccer rankings, outside the top 25 or so teams you are truly wasting your time. To think there is any merit to these arbitrary crowdsourced rankings in the hundreds is comical.

It ranks teams purely based on the outcomes of their games. That's it.

Yes, but some of those rankings are from when kids were in U9 playing in tournaments in the 2nd bracket beating teams 15-0. The rankings should refresh every season.

[Anonymous]

Try it and see for yourself. Rankings are based on last 12 months of games. Earlier game results are visible, but they don’t affect the rankings. I don’t care much about the rankings, but it’s game predictions are very accurate, at least based on my three kids’ games. It’s also a very easy way to see league and tournament results for just about every team out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The app is way more accurate than gotsoccer. Gotsoccer rankings are an antiquated system. Can't believe you diehard "soccer" parents don't know of the app. Like where have you been? Gotsoccer is garbage. Whenever someone mentions rankings from gotsoccer, I laugh and it shows you obviously know nothing about rankings.

I know the app, it immediately lost any credibility when i found out how it ranks teams. I don't bother with any youth soccer rankings, outside the top 25 or so teams you are truly wasting your time. To think there is any merit to these arbitrary crowdsourced rankings in the hundreds is comical.

It ranks teams purely based on the outcomes of their games. That's it.

Ha, sorry my friend. I hate to break it to you here… that’s not the case.

Think about it this way, in college football the top 25 has multiple polls. Coaches, AP, BCS and they rarely ever have consensus. That’s the top 25 in a sport with massive $ on the line. If you expanded those polls out to a hundred it would have massive differences depending on the methodology of rankings, weight given to different conferences etc.

To attempt to do that in youth soccer where team ranks and results are carried over year to year instead of reset is inaccurate to say the least.

On top of that the algorithm used to rank teams on the app is not transparent by design and the rankings can be altered by users.

I’m not saying don’t use it but understand its an app created to make a profit and not contributed to by any youth soccer governing body for any meaningful ranking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The app is way more accurate than gotsoccer. Gotsoccer rankings are an antiquated system. Can't believe you diehard "soccer" parents don't know of the app. Like where have you been? Gotsoccer is garbage. Whenever someone mentions rankings from gotsoccer, I laugh and it shows you obviously know nothing about rankings.

I know the app, it immediately lost any credibility when i found out how it ranks teams. I don't bother with any youth soccer rankings, outside the top 25 or so teams you are truly wasting your time. To think there is any merit to these arbitrary crowdsourced rankings in the hundreds is comical.

It ranks teams purely based on the outcomes of their games. That's it.

Ha, sorry my friend. I hate to break it to you here… that’s not the case.

Think about it this way, in college football the top 25 has multiple polls. Coaches, AP, BCS and they rarely ever have consensus. That’s the top 25 in a sport with massive $ on the line. If you expanded those polls out to a hundred it would have massive differences depending on the methodology of rankings, weight given to different conferences etc.

To attempt to do that in youth soccer where team ranks and results are carried over year to year instead of reset is inaccurate to say the least.

On top of that the algorithm used to rank teams on the app is not transparent by design and the rankings can be altered by users.

I’m not saying don’t use it but understand its an app created to make a profit and not contributed to by any youth soccer governing body for any meaningful ranking.

The fact that no youth soccer governing body is involved is a distinct positive from my perspective!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The app is way more accurate than gotsoccer. Gotsoccer rankings are an antiquated system. Can't believe you diehard "soccer" parents don't know of the app. Like where have you been? Gotsoccer is garbage. Whenever someone mentions rankings from gotsoccer, I laugh and it shows you obviously know nothing about rankings.

I know the app, it immediately lost any credibility when i found out how it ranks teams. I don't bother with any youth soccer rankings, outside the top 25 or so teams you are truly wasting your time. To think there is any merit to these arbitrary crowdsourced rankings in the hundreds is comical.

It ranks teams purely based on the outcomes of their games. That's it.

Ha, sorry my friend. I hate to break it to you here… that’s not the case.

Think about it this way, in college football the top 25 has multiple polls. Coaches, AP, BCS and they rarely ever have consensus. That’s the top 25 in a sport with massive $ on the line. If you expanded those polls out to a hundred it would have massive differences depending on the methodology of rankings, weight given to different conferences etc.

To attempt to do that in youth soccer where team ranks and results are carried over year to year instead of reset is inaccurate to say the least.

On top of that the algorithm used to rank teams on the app is not transparent by design and the rankings can be altered by users.

I’m not saying don’t use it but understand its an app created to make a profit and not contributed to by any youth soccer governing body for any meaningful ranking.

The rankings app is about as good as you're going to get for ranking youth soccer.

The only thing I don't like about it isn't really the rankings app fault. Top clubs tend to only play each other because of the league they play in. What this means is top clubs insulate their teams from loses from lower level teams. Also lower level clubs will never get a chance to play higher level teams. Because of this lower level clubs need to blow out other lower level teams to push their ranking up. (Most coaches pull back when they're 5 goals up as a show of respect. This screws the team in going up in the ranking)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The app is way more accurate than gotsoccer. Gotsoccer rankings are an antiquated system. Can't believe you diehard "soccer" parents don't know of the app. Like where have you been? Gotsoccer is garbage. Whenever someone mentions rankings from gotsoccer, I laugh and it shows you obviously know nothing about rankings.

I know the app, it immediately lost any credibility when i found out how it ranks teams. I don't bother with any youth soccer rankings, outside the top 25 or so teams you are truly wasting your time. To think there is any merit to these arbitrary crowdsourced rankings in the hundreds is comical.

It ranks teams purely based on the outcomes of their games. That's it.

Ha, sorry my friend. I hate to break it to you here… that’s not the case.

Think about it this way, in college football the top 25 has multiple polls. Coaches, AP, BCS and they rarely ever have consensus. That’s the top 25 in a sport with massive $ on the line. If you expanded those polls out to a hundred it would have massive differences depending on the methodology of rankings, weight given to different conferences etc.

To attempt to do that in youth soccer where team ranks and results are carried over year to year instead of reset is inaccurate to say the least.

On top of that the algorithm used to rank teams on the app is not transparent by design and the rankings can be altered by users.

I’m not saying don’t use it but understand its an app created to make a profit and not contributed to by any youth soccer governing body for any meaningful ranking.

The rankings app is about as good as you're going to get for ranking youth soccer.

The only thing I don't like about it isn't really the rankings app fault. Top clubs tend to only play each other because of the league they play in. What this means is top clubs insulate their teams from loses from lower level teams. Also lower level clubs will never get a chance to play higher level teams. Because of this lower level clubs need to blow out other lower level teams to push their ranking up. (Most coaches pull back when they're 5 goals up as a show of respect. This screws the team in going up in the ranking)

Is that not true of every good team in every sport league?

As for having one poor team having to try and score a number of goals on another bad team, that isn't just for the app. Teams in relegation battles want to score as many goals as they can in case it comes down to Goal Differential as to who gets demoted. The same goes for tournaments, at all age and skill levels, to make sure you team advances if necessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The app is way more accurate than gotsoccer. Gotsoccer rankings are an antiquated system. Can't believe you diehard "soccer" parents don't know of the app. Like where have you been? Gotsoccer is garbage. Whenever someone mentions rankings from gotsoccer, I laugh and it shows you obviously know nothing about rankings.

I know the app, it immediately lost any credibility when i found out how it ranks teams. I don't bother with any youth soccer rankings, outside the top 25 or so teams you are truly wasting your time. To think there is any merit to these arbitrary crowdsourced rankings in the hundreds is comical.

It ranks teams purely based on the outcomes of their games. That's it.

Ha, sorry my friend. I hate to break it to you here… that’s not the case.

Think about it this way, in college football the top 25 has multiple polls. Coaches, AP, BCS and they rarely ever have consensus. That’s the top 25 in a sport with massive $ on the line. If you expanded those polls out to a hundred it would have massive differences depending on the methodology of rankings, weight given to different conferences etc.

To attempt to do that in youth soccer where team ranks and results are carried over year to year instead of reset is inaccurate to say the least.

On top of that the algorithm used to rank teams on the app is not transparent by design and the rankings can be altered by users.

I’m not saying don’t use it but understand its an app created to make a profit and not contributed to by any youth soccer governing body for any meaningful ranking.

The rankings app is about as good as you're going to get for ranking youth soccer.

The only thing I don't like about it isn't really the rankings app fault. Top clubs tend to only play each other because of the league they play in. What this means is top clubs insulate their teams from loses from lower level teams. Also lower level clubs will never get a chance to play higher level teams. Because of this lower level clubs need to blow out other lower level teams to push their ranking up. (Most coaches pull back when they're 5 goals up as a show of respect. This screws the team in going up in the ranking)

Is that not true of every good team in every sport league?

As for having one poor team having to try and score a number of goals on another bad team, that isn't just for the app. Teams in relegation battles want to score as many goals as they can in case it comes down to Goal Differential as to who gets demoted. The same goes for tournaments, at all age and skill levels, to make sure you team advances if necessary.

Without pro/rel to the top league some clubs will always have an advantage in the rankings simply because of the league they play in. Other clubs get screwed.

This is the issue right now. Youth soccer isn't about getting better it's about clubs getting into a league and players getting onto a team in a certain league.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The app is way more accurate than gotsoccer. Gotsoccer rankings are an antiquated system. Can't believe you diehard "soccer" parents don't know of the app. Like where have you been? Gotsoccer is garbage. Whenever someone mentions rankings from gotsoccer, I laugh and it shows you obviously know nothing about rankings.

Some of us remember way back when the "app" was a free website and even then, it wasn't very accurate with cross league matches. The algorithm is biased towards what league you play in so a USYS team that beats on an ECNL bottom feeder will never rank higher because it is 1 game while the ECNL bottom feeder will always rank high even though they get destroyed by everyone else within their conference. Some won't even play in anything outside their league which isolates them from dropping. Complete garbage, just not as bad as GotSoccer.

[Anonymous]

Can we get back on track? If you know, you know the app is best. If you don’t know or don’t understand it, then you’re dumb and know nothing about soccer rankings.

Now where are the weekend booms.

[Anonymous]

there haven't been any booms from ecnl to ga or ga to ecnl for this upcoming season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The app is way more accurate than gotsoccer. Gotsoccer rankings are an antiquated system. Can't believe you diehard "soccer" parents don't know of the app. Like where have you been? Gotsoccer is garbage. Whenever someone mentions rankings from gotsoccer, I laugh and it shows you obviously know nothing about rankings.

I know the app, it immediately lost any credibility when i found out how it ranks teams. I don't bother with any youth soccer rankings, outside the top 25 or so teams you are truly wasting your time. To think there is any merit to these arbitrary crowdsourced rankings in the hundreds is comical.

It ranks teams purely based on the outcomes of their games. That's it.

Ha, sorry my friend. I hate to break it to you here… that’s not the case.

Think about it this way, in college football the top 25 has multiple polls. Coaches, AP, BCS and they rarely ever have consensus. That’s the top 25 in a sport with massive $ on the line. If you expanded those polls out to a hundred it would have massive differences depending on the methodology of rankings, weight given to different conferences etc.

To attempt to do that in youth soccer where team ranks and results are carried over year to year instead of reset is inaccurate to say the least.

On top of that the algorithm used to rank teams on the app is not transparent by design and the rankings can be altered by users.

I’m not saying don’t use it but understand its an app created to make a profit and not contributed to by any youth soccer governing body for any meaningful ranking.

It's based on a rolling 12 months of games. Longer history is there to view. Results drive the numbers. Beating bad teams by many goals doesn't artificially move you up the rankings. Beating other good teams does. Nobody is saying it's perfect, but it's the best out there, and if nothing else give you a good gage on the relative strength of the team you're playing against and how you stack up. Game to game, anything can happen to players on teams (injuries, drama, vacations) and the variance is huge. But over time, relative strengths based on results shows through in the app.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The app is way more accurate than gotsoccer. Gotsoccer rankings are an antiquated system. Can't believe you diehard "soccer" parents don't know of the app. Like where have you been? Gotsoccer is garbage. Whenever someone mentions rankings from gotsoccer, I laugh and it shows you obviously know nothing about rankings.

I know the app, it immediately lost any credibility when i found out how it ranks teams. I don't bother with any youth soccer rankings, outside the top 25 or so teams you are truly wasting your time. To think there is any merit to these arbitrary crowdsourced rankings in the hundreds is comical.

It ranks teams purely based on the outcomes of their games. That's it.

Ha, sorry my friend. I hate to break it to you here… that’s not the case.

Think about it this way, in college football the top 25 has multiple polls. Coaches, AP, BCS and they rarely ever have consensus. That’s the top 25 in a sport with massive $ on the line. If you expanded those polls out to a hundred it would have massive differences depending on the methodology of rankings, weight given to different conferences etc.

To attempt to do that in youth soccer where team ranks and results are carried over year to year instead of reset is inaccurate to say the least.

On top of that the algorithm used to rank teams on the app is not transparent by design and the rankings can be altered by users.

I’m not saying don’t use it but understand its an app created to make a profit and not contributed to by any youth soccer governing body for any meaningful ranking.

It's based on a rolling 12 months of games. Longer history is there to view. Results drive the numbers. Beating bad teams by many goals doesn't artificially move you up the rankings. Beating other good teams does. Nobody is saying it's perfect, but it's the best out there, and if nothing else give you a good gage on the relative strength of the team you're playing against and how you stack up. Game to game, anything can happen to players on teams (injuries, drama, vacations) and the variance is huge. But over time, relative strengths based on results shows through in the app.

It’s set up much like the SP+ rankings for football - ratings are computer driven, users cannot edit them.

The only way that a user can manipulate the rankings is by submitting fraudulent data for game results. I have traced VA for a couple years for ECNL, GA, and ECRL. It all looks accurate. It even updates based on data streams. For example, the ECRL in NOVA had at least 2 teams that lost numerous 13-0 games to other ECRL division opponents. Those games were changed to 7-0 by the league and were updated on the app. Perhaps that’s what’s considered manipulation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The app is way more accurate than gotsoccer. Gotsoccer rankings are an antiquated system. Can't believe you diehard "soccer" parents don't know of the app. Like where have you been? Gotsoccer is garbage. Whenever someone mentions rankings from gotsoccer, I laugh and it shows you obviously know nothing about rankings.

I know the app, it immediately lost any credibility when i found out how it ranks teams. I don't bother with any youth soccer rankings, outside the top 25 or so teams you are truly wasting your time. To think there is any merit to these arbitrary crowdsourced rankings in the hundreds is comical.

It ranks teams purely based on the outcomes of their games. That's it.

Ha, sorry my friend. I hate to break it to you here… that’s not the case.

Think about it this way, in college football the top 25 has multiple polls. Coaches, AP, BCS and they rarely ever have consensus. That’s the top 25 in a sport with massive $ on the line. If you expanded those polls out to a hundred it would have massive differences depending on the methodology of rankings, weight given to different conferences etc.

To attempt to do that in youth soccer where team ranks and results are carried over year to year instead of reset is inaccurate to say the least.

On top of that the algorithm used to rank teams on the app is not transparent by design and the rankings can be altered by users.

I’m not saying don’t use it but understand its an app created to make a profit and not contributed to by any youth soccer governing body for any meaningful ranking.

It's based on a rolling 12 months of games. Longer history is there to view. Results drive the numbers. Beating bad teams by many goals doesn't artificially move you up the rankings. Beating other good teams does. Nobody is saying it's perfect, but it's the best out there, and if nothing else give you a good gage on the relative strength of the team you're playing against and how you stack up. Game to game, anything can happen to players on teams (injuries, drama, vacations) and the variance is huge. But over time, relative strengths based on results shows through in the app.

It’s set up much like the SP+ rankings for football - ratings are computer driven, users cannot edit them.

The only way that a user can manipulate the rankings is by submitting fraudulent data for game results. I have traced VA for a couple years for ECNL, GA, and ECRL. It all looks accurate. It even updates based on data streams. For example, the ECRL in NOVA had at least 2 teams that lost numerous 13-0 games to other ECRL division opponents. Those games were changed to 7-0 by the league and were updated on the app. Perhaps that’s what’s considered manipulation?

I get why leagues don't want to list 13-0 blowouts. But when you switch the score to 7-0 the winner gets screwed in the rankings and the loser maintains a higher ranking then they deserve.