Why are most teachers too scared to return to in person teaching, but most parents want schools open

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

It’s crazy that we’ve had all of these months and still don’t have widespread rapid testing. That would help so much- even if you could test all kids/teachers at the start of each week. Even if they are not 100% accurate you’d still catch a lot more and have a reasonable path forward. If we could get a good testing strategy down, I would go back (in this area, where numbers are good) without question.

I don’t think it’s realistic to expect to be provided hospital-grade PPE in schools. Plenty of people out there working to keep society going in cloth and surgical masks. Of my numerous family members in essential positions, the only ones being provided fitted N95s are a police officer and those working in hospitals (and even then they get one per shift). Who doesn’t have a proper supply of masks by now anyway? Have y’all been sitting at home since March?

Speaking as a self contained special education teacher, yes, we do need hospital grade PPE. We have students who bite and spit. We have been told our kids don’t have to wear masks. My kids need help blowing their noses, toileting, tying shoes, etc. so we have no choice but to be hands on with them. I’m not wearing a cloth mask to physically assist a student like that. Teachers should not be begging friends and family for money for PPE to fund an unsafe school opening, and I refuse to do that. I agree that gen ed teachers of older students don’t need N95s, face shields, etc.

PP you were responding to- fair enough. And it more realistic to procure these supplies for a subset of teachers. My point remains that there is not enough hospital grade PPE available for the larger workforce.

But this is MCPS- we will be teaching from home this entire year anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

THere will be smaller class sizes due to the exodus of people choosing better options through vouchers. Eliminating expenditures on non-educational programs will help with funding. If taxes need to be raised beyond that, so be it. People need to realize having a decent PS system is worth paying for. The problem is, we are at the present paying for but not receiving quality service from our schools. And whether you want to admit it or not, a large part of that problem is that the quality of teachers at the PS level is atrocious.

You want to raise taxes to provide vouchers for private schools? I’m sorry that the public school system is not working out for you, but you should pay for private school yourself. So entitled.

Lol. Entitled is paying for public schools that are failing my children?? And then paying for a better alternative, while also being forced to pay for failing PS?? Right. True "entitlement" is people like you thinking you are entitled to my money and labor. Sorry. The time for failures like you living off of others is coming to end.

We have truly jumped the shark on the whole "entitled" thing, particularly when stupid people like yourself have no idea what it means but continue to toss it out for every scenario.

You are being taxed to provide a public service to all students. If the public school option does not work for you, yes, you pay to put your child into private. You don't get to take your tax money back because the general solution does not work in your specific case. If that's true, then I want my tax money back that was spent on the highways and traffic lights and hospitals in your part of town because I don't use them and they don't benefit me. I can't use the local roads, so I want my tax money back to use the toll road to bypass the local roads.

Taxes are based on applying services to public need, regardless of where you live or whether you use the services. Every parent who has their children in private schools, still pays taxes to support public schools. You don't get out of the taxes because you choose to opt out of the public option.

Well we should. Which is why I’m voting for Trump because he has people that will make this happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

THere will be smaller class sizes due to the exodus of people choosing better options through vouchers. Eliminating expenditures on non-educational programs will help with funding. If taxes need to be raised beyond that, so be it. People need to realize having a decent PS system is worth paying for. The problem is, we are at the present paying for but not receiving quality service from our schools. And whether you want to admit it or not, a large part of that problem is that the quality of teachers at the PS level is atrocious.

You want to raise taxes to provide vouchers for private schools? I’m sorry that the public school system is not working out for you, but you should pay for private school yourself. So entitled.

Lol. Entitled is paying for public schools that are failing my children?? And then paying for a better alternative, while also being forced to pay for failing PS?? Right. True "entitlement" is people like you thinking you are entitled to my money and labor. Sorry. The time for failures like you living off of others is coming to end.

We have truly jumped the shark on the whole "entitled" thing, particularly when stupid people like yourself have no idea what it means but continue to toss it out for every scenario.

You are being taxed to provide a public service to all students. If the public school option does not work for you, yes, you pay to put your child into private. You don't get to take your tax money back because the general solution does not work in your specific case. If that's true, then I want my tax money back that was spent on the highways and traffic lights and hospitals in your part of town because I don't use them and they don't benefit me. I can't use the local roads, so I want my tax money back to use the toll road to bypass the local roads.

Taxes are based on applying services to public need, regardless of where you live or whether you use the services. Every parent who has their children in private schools, still pays taxes to support public schools. You don't get out of the taxes because you choose to opt out of the public option.

Well we should. Which is why I’m voting for Trump because he has people that will make this happen.

Typical rich suburbanite entitlement. Public systems are designed to help everyone, not just those who can afford private school. Taking money out of the public school will create a bigger education gap between the rich and the poor, will sacrifice millions of lower income students around the nation and will cause a degradation of society and higher crime as there will be a bigger pool of the "have nots" that will fail and resort to crime.

So much more of the "I've got mine, screw you" attitude. Trump does appeal to that demographic.

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You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

Companies have been open for months now without any of that. Time to grow up and get back to work.

I posted this a few weeks ago in another thread, but it bears repeating and it applies here:

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Many salaried/professional workers are not back at work, but plenty are. Those that are have gone back because there jobs can't be done effectively remotely. Many people would say that teachers, particularly elementary school teachers have jobs that fit into this category.

Some of my job can be done remotely, some can't because we have certain computers and other systems available only in the office. I have gone in about two days a week to do parts of my job that need that equipment. We have fewer people in the room than we normally do, but I am not alone in the room.

It is not as low risk as working from home, but it is a reasonable risk and I can't do my job from home. If I didn't go to work, I wouldn't keep my job. Lots of other professionals like me are in a similar position. Therefore, it is a little hard to swallow when you argue that anyone who thinks teachers could do the same are simply hostile shrews.

Wonderful. I'm a computer system administrator and I have also had to go into work periodically over the last 4 months. You have fewer people in the room, but you are not alone. I would guess that you share office/lab space with fewer than 5 people. And those people are adults who are probably significantly better at basic health and safety than the typical grade-schooler, tween or teen is. Your co-workers probably understand the mask requirements and adhere (whether they want to or are only forced to by office requirements and state law). The students understand, but trying to keep masks on ES students for 3-6 hours is pretty fruitless. Tweens and teens know that they should keep them on, but many of them will find excuses or are convinced of their own invulnerability that they will make frequent exceptions and they think it is nothing to just take the mask off for a minute or two when there may be peers around, but there are no adults looking. Same with handwashing and social distancing.

Then you have the issue that while you are expose to your co-workers, there's a good chance that you are expose to the same few co-workers. Now, imagine that your job required to you to rotate through 6 offices every hour through your day. And put 12 people in every office. Now you are exposed to 12 people in each of 6 offices and are exposed to 70+ people. Assume that each of those people also work in 6 different offices each day and basically if anyone in your office building get infected, they have the chance to expose 5-25% of the building to the virus for 2-4 days before they show any symptoms. That's what you are asking school teachers to go through daily.

The difference here is that you have a job that cannot be done from home since it requires "hands on work" on equipment that isn't available at home. You can't say that about teaching. Teaching can be done remotely and in fact is going to be done remotely by a significant amount of the country. Just because it won't be the same quality as what your child would get in school, is not the same as saying that teaching is required to be in-person and forcing the teachers to go in. Most jurisdictions are saying that those people that can work remotely should do so. And that should also apply to teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

THere will be smaller class sizes due to the exodus of people choosing better options through vouchers. Eliminating expenditures on non-educational programs will help with funding. If taxes need to be raised beyond that, so be it. People need to realize having a decent PS system is worth paying for. The problem is, we are at the present paying for but not receiving quality service from our schools. And whether you want to admit it or not, a large part of that problem is that the quality of teachers at the PS level is atrocious.

You want to raise taxes to provide vouchers for private schools? I’m sorry that the public school system is not working out for you, but you should pay for private school yourself. So entitled.[/quote

Lol. Entitled is paying for public schools that are failing my children?? And then paying for a better alternative, while also being forced to pay for failing PS?? Right. True "entitlement" is people like you thinking you are entitled to my money and labor. Sorry. The time for failures like you living off of others is coming to end.

We have truly jumped the shark on the whole "entitled" thing, particularly when stupid people like yourself have no idea what it means but continue to toss it out for every scenario.

You are being taxed to provide a public service to all students. If the public school option does not work for you, yes, you pay to put your child into private. You don't get to take your tax money back because the general solution does not work in your specific case. If that's true, then I want my tax money back that was spent on the highways and traffic lights and hospitals in your part of town because I don't use them and they don't benefit me. I can't use the local roads, so I want my tax money back to use the toll road to bypass the local roads.

Taxes are based on applying services to public need, regardless of where you live or whether you use the services. Every parent who has their children in private schools, still pays taxes to support public schools. You don't get out of the taxes because you choose to opt out of the public option.

Well we should. Which is why I’m voting for Trump because he has people that will make this happen.

Typical rich suburbanite entitlement. Public systems are designed to help everyone, not just those who can afford private school. Taking money out of the public school will create a bigger education gap between the rich and the poor, will sacrifice millions of lower income students around the nation and will cause a degradation of society and higher crime as there will be a bigger pool of the "have nots" that will fail and resort to crime.

So much more of the "I've got mine, screw you" attitude. Trump does appeal to that demographic.

So your attitude of "screw you, pay for my kids" is what we should aspire to? No thanks. It must be tough being such a drain on society. I bet your kids end up as worthless as you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

THere will be smaller class sizes due to the exodus of people choosing better options through vouchers. Eliminating expenditures on non-educational programs will help with funding. If taxes need to be raised beyond that, so be it. People need to realize having a decent PS system is worth paying for. The problem is, we are at the present paying for but not receiving quality service from our schools. And whether you want to admit it or not, a large part of that problem is that the quality of teachers at the PS level is atrocious.

You want to raise taxes to provide vouchers for private schools? I’m sorry that the public school system is not working out for you, but you should pay for private school yourself. So entitled.

Lol. Entitled is paying for public schools that are failing my children?? And then paying for a better alternative, while also being forced to pay for failing PS?? Right. True "entitlement" is people like you thinking you are entitled to my money and labor. Sorry. The time for failures like you living off of others is coming to end.

We have truly jumped the shark on the whole "entitled" thing, particularly when stupid people like yourself have no idea what it means but continue to toss it out for every scenario.

You are being taxed to provide a public service to all students. If the public school option does not work for you, yes, you pay to put your child into private. You don't get to take your tax money back because the general solution does not work in your specific case. If that's true, then I want my tax money back that was spent on the highways and traffic lights and hospitals in your part of town because I don't use them and they don't benefit me. I can't use the local roads, so I want my tax money back to use the toll road to bypass the local roads.

Taxes are based on applying services to public need, regardless of where you live or whether you use the services. Every parent who has their children in private schools, still pays taxes to support public schools. You don't get out of the taxes because you choose to opt out of the public option.

Uh I don't think you understand how vouchers work.

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

It’s crazy that we’ve had all of these months and still don’t have widespread rapid testing. That would help so much- even if you could test all kids/teachers at the start of each week. Even if they are not 100% accurate you’d still catch a lot more and have a reasonable path forward. If we could get a good testing strategy down, I would go back (in this area, where numbers are good) without question.

I don’t think it’s realistic to expect to be provided hospital-grade PPE in schools. Plenty of people out there working to keep society going in cloth and surgical masks. Of my numerous family members in essential positions, the only ones being provided fitted N95s are a police officer and those working in hospitals (and even then they get one per shift). Who doesn’t have a proper supply of masks by now anyway? Have y’all been sitting at home since March?

Speaking as a self contained special education teacher, yes, we do need hospital grade PPE. We have students who bite and spit. We have been told our kids don’t have to wear masks. My kids need help blowing their noses, toileting, tying shoes, etc. so we have no choice but to be hands on with them. I’m not wearing a cloth mask to physically assist a student like that. Teachers should not be begging friends and family for money for PPE to fund an unsafe school opening, and I refuse to do that. I agree that gen ed teachers of older students don’t need N95s, face shields, etc.

Yet they’re good enough for the grocery store workers who need to deal with hundreds of people per day, including beligerant ones. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

THere will be smaller class sizes due to the exodus of people choosing better options through vouchers. Eliminating expenditures on non-educational programs will help with funding. If taxes need to be raised beyond that, so be it. People need to realize having a decent PS system is worth paying for. The problem is, we are at the present paying for but not receiving quality service from our schools. And whether you want to admit it or not, a large part of that problem is that the quality of teachers at the PS level is atrocious.

You want to raise taxes to provide vouchers for private schools? I’m sorry that the public school system is not working out for you, but you should pay for private school yourself. So entitled.

Lol. Entitled is paying for public schools that are failing my children?? And then paying for a better alternative, while also being forced to pay for failing PS?? Right. True "entitlement" is people like you thinking you are entitled to my money and labor. Sorry. The time for failures like you living off of others is coming to end.

We have truly jumped the shark on the whole "entitled" thing, particularly when stupid people like yourself have no idea what it means but continue to toss it out for every scenario.

You are being taxed to provide a public service to all students. If the public school option does not work for you, yes, you pay to put your child into private. You don't get to take your tax money back because the general solution does not work in your specific case. If that's true, then I want my tax money back that was spent on the highways and traffic lights and hospitals in your part of town because I don't use them and they don't benefit me. I can't use the local roads, so I want my tax money back to use the toll road to bypass the local roads.

Taxes are based on applying services to public need, regardless of where you live or whether you use the services. Every parent who has their children in private schools, still pays taxes to support public schools. You don't get out of the taxes because you choose to opt out of the public option.

Well we should. Which is why I’m voting for Trump because he has people that will make this happen.

That's not how taxes work, hon. For ANY subject. I can't just not pay bc I don't like border walls, wars, and funding private schools.

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

Companies have been open for months now without any of that. Time to grow up and get back to work.

All of this.

This is FAR from universally true and you know it. Plus, many federal agencies are still closed or have limited onsite hours. Including those agencies of people in my own family.

Stop lying.

One of the reasons that federal agencies remain remote is that schools are closed and workers don’t have another option. We can never get fully back to work until schools are open.

100% untrue. Stop with with the Bullshit. I have firsthand knowledge of this. This is not a reason. It's not.

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

It’s crazy that we’ve had all of these months and still don’t have widespread rapid testing. That would help so much- even if you could test all kids/teachers at the start of each week. Even if they are not 100% accurate you’d still catch a lot more and have a reasonable path forward. If we could get a good testing strategy down, I would go back (in this area, where numbers are good) without question.

I don’t think it’s realistic to expect to be provided hospital-grade PPE in schools. Plenty of people out there working to keep society going in cloth and surgical masks. Of my numerous family members in essential positions, the only ones being provided fitted N95s are a police officer and those working in hospitals (and even then they get one per shift). Who doesn’t have a proper supply of masks by now anyway? Have y’all been sitting at home since March?

Speaking as a self contained special education teacher, yes, we do need hospital grade PPE. We have students who bite and spit. We have been told our kids don’t have to wear masks. My kids need help blowing their noses, toileting, tying shoes, etc. so we have no choice but to be hands on with them. I’m not wearing a cloth mask to physically assist a student like that. Teachers should not be begging friends and family for money for PPE to fund an unsafe school opening, and I refuse to do that. I agree that gen ed teachers of older students don’t need N95s, face shields, etc.

Yet they’re good enough for the grocery store workers who need to deal with hundreds of people per day, including beligerant ones. Got it.

I just laughed when I read that. You spelled belligerent wrong. And grocery store workers don't assist customers in the bathroom, blow their noses, hold them when they cry, tie their shoes, or physically touch them in any way. They stand behind plexiglass and you have a 2 minute interaction with them. They can also throw out customers who aren't wearing masks. Give me a plexiglass barrier to stand behind, limit my interaction with students to 2 minutes, prevent me from having to touch them, and sure! I'll wear a cloth mask.
That is the worst analogy I've ever seen.

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

Companies have been open for months now without any of that. Time to grow up and get back to work.

All of this.

This is FAR from universally true and you know it. Plus, many federal agencies are still closed or have limited onsite hours. Including those agencies of people in my own family.

Stop lying.

One of the reasons that federal agencies remain remote is that schools are closed and workers don’t have another option. We can never get fully back to work until schools are open.

100% untrue. Stop with with the Bullshit. I have firsthand knowledge of this. This is not a reason. It's not.

Uh yes it is. And almost everyone on here has firsthand knowledge of this lol. I swear, the left has regressed so much in the last few years. Where do they keep finding you ignorant people?

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

Companies have been open for months now without any of that. Time to grow up and get back to work.

All of this.

This is FAR from universally true and you know it. Plus, many federal agencies are still closed or have limited onsite hours. Including those agencies of people in my own family.

Stop lying.

One of the reasons that federal agencies remain remote is that schools are closed and workers don’t have another option. We can never get fully back to work until schools are open.

100% untrue. Stop with with the Bullshit. I have firsthand knowledge of this. This is not a reason. It's not.

Uh yes it is. And almost everyone on here has firsthand knowledge of this lol. I swear, the left has regressed so much in the last few years. Where do they keep finding you ignorant people?

Yeah I don’t know what agency PP claims to have firsthand knowledge of, but availability of childcare/schools is absolutely a factor in the reopening plans at mine. The first round of people they were gearing up to bring back was minimal, but it was pretty much out on hold indefinitely once local school plans were released.

Non-telework agencies have been slow to eliminate the weekly rotations in part because of this too.

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If my kid‘s teacher is any indication, the teachers themselves will be asking to return to school very soon. That poor woman is working more hours than she did pre-Covid and

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

THere will be smaller class sizes due to the exodus of people choosing better options through vouchers. Eliminating expenditures on non-educational programs will help with funding. If taxes need to be raised beyond that, so be it. People need to realize having a decent PS system is worth paying for. The problem is, we are at the present paying for but not receiving quality service from our schools. And whether you want to admit it or not, a large part of that problem is that the quality of teachers at the PS level is atrocious.

You want to raise taxes to provide vouchers for private schools? I’m sorry that the public school system is not working out for you, but you should pay for private school yourself. So entitled.

Lol. Entitled is paying for public schools that are failing my children?? And then paying for a better alternative, while also being forced to pay for failing PS?? Right. True "entitlement" is people like you thinking you are entitled to my money and labor. Sorry. The time for failures like you living off of others is coming to end.

We have truly jumped the shark on the whole "entitled" thing, particularly when stupid people like yourself have no idea what it means but continue to toss it out for every scenario.

You are being taxed to provide a public service to all students. If the public school option does not work for you, yes, you pay to put your child into private. You don't get to take your tax money back because the general solution does not work in your specific case. If that's true, then I want my tax money back that was spent on the highways and traffic lights and hospitals in your part of town because I don't use them and they don't benefit me. I can't use the local roads, so I want my tax money back to use the toll road to bypass the local roads.

Taxes are based on applying services to public need, regardless of where you live or whether you use the services. Every parent who has their children in private schools, still pays taxes to support public schools. You don't get out of the taxes because you choose to opt out of the public option.

Uh I don't think you understand how vouchers work.

Money for vouchers is typically paid from the money that states allocate to schools. So, the state determines how much money is given per child to each school district. If you pull your child out of public school and are given a voucher to go to parochial or private school, the tax money that would normally go to the school is reduced by the amount normally assigned per student and that money is given to the voucher instead. Since the person receiving the voucher is typically a property owner whose property taxes went to support the school system, that means that they are essentially being given back some of the money they paid in property tax to support the school and that money is deducted from the school, thereby reducing the funds that the school will get. Vouchers hurt the local public schools which will get less money and will have that much less money to provide services, teaching aids, and resources to the students that remain. If there is a mass exodus of children, then schools will be left with significant shortfall of financial resources to accommodate the remaining children.

You are always welcome to take your child out of public school, if the public option does not work for you. You just don't deserve a voucher of the school's money to do that. You would then be paying tax money to support the school that you don't use much like tax payers without children, or tax payers supporting road, police, health and other infrastructures in parts of the state that they never visit or use.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

THere will be smaller class sizes due to the exodus of people choosing better options through vouchers. Eliminating expenditures on non-educational programs will help with funding. If taxes need to be raised beyond that, so be it. People need to realize having a decent PS system is worth paying for. The problem is, we are at the present paying for but not receiving quality service from our schools. And whether you want to admit it or not, a large part of that problem is that the quality of teachers at the PS level is atrocious.

You want to raise taxes to provide vouchers for private schools? I’m sorry that the public school system is not working out for you, but you should pay for private school yourself. So entitled.

Lol. Entitled is paying for public schools that are failing my children?? And then paying for a better alternative, while also being forced to pay for failing PS?? Right. True "entitlement" is people like you thinking you are entitled to my money and labor. Sorry. The time for failures like you living off of others is coming to end.

We have truly jumped the shark on the whole "entitled" thing, particularly when stupid people like yourself have no idea what it means but continue to toss it out for every scenario.

You are being taxed to provide a public service to all students. If the public school option does not work for you, yes, you pay to put your child into private. You don't get to take your tax money back because the general solution does not work in your specific case. If that's true, then I want my tax money back that was spent on the highways and traffic lights and hospitals in your part of town because I don't use them and they don't benefit me. I can't use the local roads, so I want my tax money back to use the toll road to bypass the local roads.

Taxes are based on applying services to public need, regardless of where you live or whether you use the services. Every parent who has their children in private schools, still pays taxes to support public schools. You don't get out of the taxes because you choose to opt out of the public option.

Uh I don't think you understand how vouchers work.

Money for vouchers is typically paid from the money that states allocate to schools. So, the state determines how much money is given per child to each school district. If you pull your child out of public school and are given a voucher to go to parochial or private school, the tax money that would normally go to the school is reduced by the amount normally assigned per student and that money is given to the voucher instead. Since the person receiving the voucher is typically a property owner whose property taxes went to support the school system, that means that they are essentially being given back some of the money they paid in property tax to support the school and that money is deducted from the school, thereby reducing the funds that the school will get. Vouchers hurt the local public schools which will get less money and will have that much less money to provide services, teaching aids, and resources to the students that remain. If there is a mass exodus of children, then schools will be left with significant shortfall of financial resources to accommodate the remaining children.

You are always welcome to take your child out of public school, if the public option does not work for you. You just don't deserve a voucher of the school's money to do that. You would then be paying tax money to support the school that you don't use much like tax payers without children, or tax payers supporting road, police, health and other infrastructures in parts of the state that they never visit or use.

Oh thank you for allowing me to take my own children out of your failing PS. I'm just not sure why you think I should not be allowed to have a voucher while others are? Is it because as a black person I am supposed to be forced to stay in my neighborhood? The argument that "vouchers hurt the public school system" stopped having meaning when the PS system continued to be non-responsive and a trap for children like mine. So if it hurts the PS system, I don't care in the least.