Why are most teachers too scared to return to in person teaching, but most parents want schools open

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

Companies have been open for months now without any of that. Time to grow up and get back to work.

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This is FAR from universally true and you know it. Plus, many federal agencies are still closed or have limited onsite hours. Including those agencies of people in my own family.

Stop lying.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/25/us/covid-distance-learning-frustration-trnd/index.html

This is why parents want schools open, THIS reality is not acceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

Companies have been open for months now without any of that. Time to grow up and get back to work.

All of this.

This is FAR from universally true and you know it. Plus, many federal agencies are still closed or have limited onsite hours. Including those agencies of people in my own family.

Stop lying.

One of the reasons that federal agencies remain remote is that schools are closed and workers don’t have another option. We can never get fully back to work until schools are open.

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Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

Companies have been open for months now without any of that. Time to grow up and get back to work.

All of this.

This is FAR from universally true and you know it. Plus, many federal agencies are still closed or have limited onsite hours. Including those agencies of people in my own family.

Stop lying.

One of the reasons that federal agencies remain remote is that schools are closed and workers don’t have another option. We can never get fully back to work until schools are open.

This- my employer was planning to start bringing some people back, then reversed course when all the school districts went remote.

I think how many people are back at work in person varies greatly across the country, just like the schools. Larger, nationwide companies seem to be better about flexibility and giving employees options even in areas where everything else seems to be open. My cousin, for instance, works for Lockheed and they have ~50% folks reporting to their office. My ILs can't believe I am still working remotely- where they live everyone except federal employees are back at the office. My BIL had all of two weeks telework back in the spring.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

Companies have been open for months now without any of that. Time to grow up and get back to work.

All of this.

This is FAR from universally true and you know it. Plus, many federal agencies are still closed or have limited onsite hours. Including those agencies of people in my own family.

Stop lying.

+1 An office environment is fundamentally different. There is more space in an office and fewer individuals per square foot. Typically the ventilation is better. In my classroom I have upwards of 25 children seated 3 feet apart with desks touching front to back. My classroom has mold (black and white, yippee!) and it leaks when it rains. There is no way that even a cube farm in an office building is worse than my classroom. And those cube farmers aren't working out of the office.

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

Companies have been open for months now without any of that. Time to grow up and get back to work.

All of this.

This is FAR from universally true and you know it. Plus, many federal agencies are still closed or have limited onsite hours. Including those agencies of people in my own family.

Stop lying.

+1 An office environment is fundamentally different. There is more space in an office and fewer individuals per square foot. Typically the ventilation is better. In my classroom I have upwards of 25 children seated 3 feet apart with desks touching front to back. My classroom has mold (black and white, yippee!) and it leaks when it rains. There is no way that even a cube farm in an office building is worse than my classroom. And those cube farmers aren't working out of the office.

Snort- this may be true for some newer buildings but is not universal by any means. And the trend is to pack more and more people in to cubicle settings to reduce facilities costs. Stick to what you know and don’t make broad generalizations- you should definitely advocate for children sitting more than 3ft apart. I will not go back to our office under the current configuration because I would be less than 6ft apart from 4 coworkers.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

THere will be smaller class sizes due to the exodus of people choosing better options through vouchers. Eliminating expenditures on non-educational programs will help with funding. If taxes need to be raised beyond that, so be it. People need to realize having a decent PS system is worth paying for. The problem is, we are at the present paying for but not receiving quality service from our schools. And whether you want to admit it or not, a large part of that problem is that the quality of teachers at the PS level is atrocious.

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

It’s crazy that we’ve had all of these months and still don’t have widespread rapid testing. That would help so much- even if you could test all kids/teachers at the start of each week. Even if they are not 100% accurate you’d still catch a lot more and have a reasonable path forward. If we could get a good testing strategy down, I would go back (in this area, where numbers are good) without question.

I don’t think it’s realistic to expect to be provided hospital-grade PPE in schools. Plenty of people out there working to keep society going in cloth and surgical masks. Of my numerous family members in essential positions, the only ones being provided fitted N95s are a police officer and those working in hospitals (and even then they get one per shift). Who doesn’t have a proper supply of masks by now anyway? Have y’all been sitting at home since March?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

THere will be smaller class sizes due to the exodus of people choosing better options through vouchers. Eliminating expenditures on non-educational programs will help with funding. If taxes need to be raised beyond that, so be it. People need to realize having a decent PS system is worth paying for. The problem is, we are at the present paying for but not receiving quality service from our schools. And whether you want to admit it or not, a large part of that problem is that the quality of teachers at the PS level is atrocious.

You want to raise taxes to provide vouchers for private schools? I’m sorry that the public school system is not working out for you, but you should pay for private school yourself. So entitled.

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Anonymous wrote:No, the funniest part is that at my school we still have close to 10-15% of content teacher positions unfilled. Secondary. Yeah, we're laughing all the way to the bank. And so will you when your kid is being taught by a long-term sub with only 2 years of college and it isn't in the subject matter being taught.

Don't stress about it. "Content teacher positions" can be adequately filled by anyone with a HS diploma. You have vacancies because we pay teachers too little for any true professionals to take the position. We need to pay more and then expect more. Stop hiring blow-average slackers and paying them peanuts.

Why do you want schools to open, if not for your children to work with trained educators? It’s clear that so many of you with low opinions of teachers are really struggling to parent your children and are desperate for time away from them. It would be much easier to respect you if you would just admit to it.

And people like you will always scream it’s too unsafe to reopen schools, no matter how good the numbers are, because you just want to stay on the couch and get paid.

You don't know anything about me. I would happily go back to school with PPE, ventilation reports, and proof that all staff and students have been tested for COVID prior to opening. If schools can't or won't put those things in place, then they shouldn't open. Period.

It’s crazy that we’ve had all of these months and still don’t have widespread rapid testing. That would help so much- even if you could test all kids/teachers at the start of each week. Even if they are not 100% accurate you’d still catch a lot more and have a reasonable path forward. If we could get a good testing strategy down, I would go back (in this area, where numbers are good) without question.

I don’t think it’s realistic to expect to be provided hospital-grade PPE in schools. Plenty of people out there working to keep society going in cloth and surgical masks. Of my numerous family members in essential positions, the only ones being provided fitted N95s are a police officer and those working in hospitals (and even then they get one per shift). Who doesn’t have a proper supply of masks by now anyway? Have y’all been sitting at home since March?

Speaking as a self contained special education teacher, yes, we do need hospital grade PPE. We have students who bite and spit. We have been told our kids don’t have to wear masks. My kids need help blowing their noses, toileting, tying shoes, etc. so we have no choice but to be hands on with them. I’m not wearing a cloth mask to physically assist a student like that. Teachers should not be begging friends and family for money for PPE to fund an unsafe school opening, and I refuse to do that. I agree that gen ed teachers of older students don’t need N95s, face shields, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

THere will be smaller class sizes due to the exodus of people choosing better options through vouchers. Eliminating expenditures on non-educational programs will help with funding. If taxes need to be raised beyond that, so be it. People need to realize having a decent PS system is worth paying for. The problem is, we are at the present paying for but not receiving quality service from our schools. And whether you want to admit it or not, a large part of that problem is that the quality of teachers at the PS level is atrocious.

You want to raise taxes to provide vouchers for private schools? I’m sorry that the public school system is not working out for you, but you should pay for private school yourself. So entitled.

Lol. Entitled is paying for public schools that are failing my children?? And then paying for a better alternative, while also being forced to pay for failing PS?? Right. True "entitlement" is people like you thinking you are entitled to my money and labor. Sorry. The time for failures like you living off of others is coming to end.

We have truly jumped the shark on the whole "entitled" thing, particularly when stupid people like yourself have no idea what it means but continue to toss it out for every scenario.

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Y'all know the CDC guidelines are wearing a mask or be six feet apart. It does not demand both

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, this is a golden opportunity for us to make fundamental, desperately needed changes to the public school system. With any luck, about half of the current PS teachers will resign/be fired. We need to downsize the size of the PS system- eliminate all of the social work type nonsense. Focus on actually educating kids. Provide vouchers so that those that want to escape can, allowing smaller staffs to handle their students. Make it more difficult to become a PS teacher, and start paying more to those that are actually qualified.

If we don't make a change now, our schools will be lost for good.

I'm not understanding- you want to eliminate funding by giving out more vouchers, then somehow have smaller class sizes?

THere will be smaller class sizes due to the exodus of people choosing better options through vouchers. Eliminating expenditures on non-educational programs will help with funding. If taxes need to be raised beyond that, so be it. People need to realize having a decent PS system is worth paying for. The problem is, we are at the present paying for but not receiving quality service from our schools. And whether you want to admit it or not, a large part of that problem is that the quality of teachers at the PS level is atrocious.

You want to raise taxes to provide vouchers for private schools? I’m sorry that the public school system is not working out for you, but you should pay for private school yourself. So entitled.

Lol. Entitled is paying for public schools that are failing my children?? And then paying for a better alternative, while also being forced to pay for failing PS?? Right. True "entitlement" is people like you thinking you are entitled to my money and labor. Sorry. The time for failures like you living off of others is coming to end.

We have truly jumped the shark on the whole "entitled" thing, particularly when stupid people like yourself have no idea what it means but continue to toss it out for every scenario.

You are being taxed to provide a public service to all students. If the public school option does not work for you, yes, you pay to put your child into private. You don't get to take your tax money back because the general solution does not work in your specific case. If that's true, then I want my tax money back that was spent on the highways and traffic lights and hospitals in your part of town because I don't use them and they don't benefit me. I can't use the local roads, so I want my tax money back to use the toll road to bypass the local roads.

Taxes are based on applying services to public need, regardless of where you live or whether you use the services. Every parent who has their children in private schools, still pays taxes to support public schools. You don't get out of the taxes because you choose to opt out of the public option.