I can't breathe . . . Minneapolis police kill a man in broad daylight

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is more video (starts around 2:20 in the below link) from a store surveillance camera that was captured before the phone video, that depicts Floyd was compliant with the officers. So far there is no evidence and no video of him resisting arrest. The officers statements are all lies.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/george-floyd-s-sister-says-firing-officers-not-enough-they-n1215371

Nope, but your statement is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06vepNDjdU

If anyone wants to see where the man physically resisted the officers see the link above - after "Nope, but your statement is."

This is where the encounter turned physical and this is why the officers restrained Floyd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PS I think we all owe it to George Floyd and our black and brown brothers and sisters to share this horrifying video and publicly condemn it. It is stomach turning to watch. We need our stomachs turned. We need to get outraged. We need to change this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lirHz93qJ50

I would show this video to my kid and say "Whatever you do, do not make the police get physical with you. Do what they ask you to do and keep your hands where they can see them. If they ask you for your license and registration and you have to reach into the glove compartment to get them, say "Officer, I need to reach into the glove compartment to get my registration. I need to reach in my pocket to get my license."

In fact, I have already told my kid just that.

I am NOT defending that cop for kneeling on that man's neck until he died BUT this all could have been avoided if that man had been respectful and compliant from the get go. Again - I am not saying that what this cop did was in anyway excusable. I am saying that the man would still be alive today had he been respectful and compliant with the officers.

We need to get this message across to our kids somehow, someway.

I'm not black, but you're making my blood boil. Pretty much every black person I know, especially parents of boys, has this conversation with their kids...except, it's more like, "One day the police will get physical with you. This is what you do to stay alive." As another PP pointed out, Philando Castile did everything you are describing...and he got murdered in front of a pre-schooler for it.

I have said that you can do everything right and still have this happen. The man in this particular video that we have been talking about DID resist arrest, he was not compliant and that is why the officers took him to the ground. The officer should never have kneeled on the man's neck like that. But the bottom line is the one who is dead is the guy who got his neck kneeled on. Would he have gotten his neck kneeled on if he had simply complied - most likely NO.

No. The police officer is 100% responsible for his actions. No victim blaming here.

The officer is responsible for kneeling on the man's neck and using an improper restraint on him that restricted his airway and killed him. I have said repeatedly that I consider what he did to be a crime and he should be punished for it.

However, since the man was physically resisting arrest, the officers were doing nothing wrong by physically bringing him to the ground. It was what happened once on the ground that caused this man's death and that is where the cops went wrong. I am going to tell my own kids, for their own survival, to NEVER get physical with a cop, ever.

Any proof that he was resisting? And no, we are not relying on the dirty cops’ word. They are lying bastards.

Two videos so far show the victim not resisting in any way. Further, the idiot cops took him out of the car only to murder him in front of a crowd.

Bring proof or STFU.

-White Man

There is video upthread of him resisting. The cops were ordering him out of his vehicle, he wasn't complying and it took two of them to get him out. You probably didn't see that part and I hadn't, either. Once I saw that he had actually gotten physical with the cops - more resisting them but still physical - that was when I could see that they had a reason to get him physically restrained. They had no right to kneel on his neck like that and it was crazy how the other cops there did nothing to stop him.

Looks like he was right to not want to get out if the car.

Hope these cops fry.

[Anonymous]

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I’d like to hear some constructive solutions here...

And yes, the criminal cops (and others) must be held accountable!!

That isn't going to happen on this site. There are very few people on here with actual LE experience, and they get drowned out by hateful people making long winded ignorant statements. Or they just accuse you of being a racist or whatever.

So you don’t have any constructive thoughts?

DP. We prosecute these cops for murder. Next we hold a department wide stand down for training. And we work with HR to tighten hiring practices. Some initial thoughts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The cops need to be charged with homicide. This was murder.

+1,000,000

Enough is enough.

[Anonymous]

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The officer is not guilty for restraining the man. It was the WAY he restrained that man that was improper and, yes, the officer is liable for that. Unfortunately, the person who is now dead is a man who made a bad choice by resisting the officer in the first place. The man is the one who instigated the physical altercation in the first place. I know that you do not want to hear it but that is what happened. Should he have had his neck kneeled on? No way. Was that officer on some type of power kick? Absolutely. Did the officer use a proper restraint on the guy? No.

Who is now dead? The man who physically resisted the officers. Had he made a different choice, he likely would not be dead. You don't want to hear that but that is the truth. All the protests over his death is not going to bring him back.

Hold the bad officers accountable for their crimes - absolutely.

The very definition of victim blame. The reason nothing changes is because this narrative (which likely isn't even true in this case) always wins in the long run.

-- Not black, but a rape survivor who, yes, drank too much that night...

+1 Exactly

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’d like to hear some constructive solutions here...

And yes, the criminal cops (and others) must be held accountable!!

That isn't going to happen on this site. There are very few people on here with actual LE experience, and they get drowned out by hateful people making long winded ignorant statements. Or they just accuse you of being a racist or whatever.

First change I would make is requiring police to live in the city that they serve.

Don’t want to do that? Go find another job.

I like that.

I’d add extensive training in community building and de-escalation techniques. Their job is to protect and serve - to keep the peace. No terrorize millions of people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like state sanctioned lynching to me.

Most white people devalue black l ives in a multitude of ways, from implicit bias in medicine to straight out murder.

It's a deep sickness in this country and we won't ever change unless we own up to our crimes past and present.

I'm constantly confronting my own participation in a racially unjust society, my lack of real action, be wise I live in the comfort zone of whiteness.

How exactly are you owning up to your crimes?
Perhaps handcuff yourself on house arrest for a few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’d like to hear some constructive solutions here...

And yes, the criminal cops (and others) must be held accountable!!

That isn't going to happen on this site. There are very few people on here with actual LE experience, and they get drowned out by hateful people making long winded ignorant statements. Or they just accuse you of being a racist or whatever.

First change I would make is requiring police to live in the city that they serve.

Don’t want to do that? Go find another job.

I like that.

I’d add extensive training in community building and de-escalation techniques. Their job is to protect and serve - to keep the peace. No terrorize millions of people.

Fire Mayor Jacob Fray?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The cops need to be charged with homicide. This was murder.

+1,000,000

Enough is enough.

+1

All of them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PS I think we all owe it to George Floyd and our black and brown brothers and sisters to share this horrifying video and publicly condemn it. It is stomach turning to watch. We need our stomachs turned. We need to get outraged. We need to change this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lirHz93qJ50

I would show this video to my kid and say "Whatever you do, do not make the police get physical with you. Do what they ask you to do and keep your hands where they can see them. If they ask you for your license and registration and you have to reach into the glove compartment to get them, say "Officer, I need to reach into the glove compartment to get my registration. I need to reach in my pocket to get my license."

In fact, I have already told my kid just that.

I am NOT defending that cop for kneeling on that man's neck until he died BUT this all could have been avoided if that man had been respectful and compliant from the get go. Again - I am not saying that what this cop did was in anyway excusable. I am saying that the man would still be alive today had he been respectful and compliant with the officers.

We need to get this message across to our kids somehow, someway.

I'm not black, but you're making my blood boil. Pretty much every black person I know, especially parents of boys, has this conversation with their kids...except, it's more like, "One day the police will get physical with you. This is what you do to stay alive." As another PP pointed out, Philando Castile did everything you are describing...and he got murdered in front of a pre-schooler for it.

I have said that you can do everything right and still have this happen. The man in this particular video that we have been talking about DID resist arrest, he was not compliant and that is why the officers took him to the ground. The officer should never have kneeled on the man's neck like that. But the bottom line is the one who is dead is the guy who got his neck kneeled on. Would he have gotten his neck kneeled on if he had simply complied - most likely NO.

No. The police officer is 100% responsible for his actions. No victim blaming here.

The officer is responsible for kneeling on the man's neck and using an improper restraint on him that restricted his airway and killed him. I have said repeatedly that I consider what he did to be a crime and he should be punished for it.

However, since the man was physically resisting arrest, the officers were doing nothing wrong by physically bringing him to the ground. It was what happened once on the ground that caused this man's death and that is where the cops went wrong. I am going to tell my own kids, for their own survival, to NEVER get physical with a cop, ever.

Any proof that he was resisting? And no, we are not relying on the dirty cops’ word. They are lying bastards.

Two videos so far show the victim not resisting in any way. Further, the idiot cops took him out of the car only to murder him in front of a crowd.

Bring proof or STFU.

-White Man

There is video upthread of him resisting. The cops were ordering him out of his vehicle, he wasn't complying and it took two of them to get him out. You probably didn't see that part and I hadn't, either. Once I saw that he had actually gotten physical with the cops - more resisting them but still physical - that was when I could see that they had a reason to get him physically restrained. They had no right to kneel on his neck like that and it was crazy how the other cops there did nothing to stop him.

Looks like he was right to not want to get out if the car.

Hope these cops fry.

Nope. You don't get to physically resist police officers, not comply with their orders and then act SHOCKED when they get physical back. The officers were fine to restrain the guy. It was the WAY the guy was restrained and the unnecessarily long amount of time he was held down once he was in control that is the issue and that is what led to this man's death.

But to say that this guy was just walking along when suddenly out of nowhere cops jumped him, forced him to the ground and then kneeled on his neck until he died is not accurate. If you want to tell the story, tell the whole story and tell it accurately. The cops were wrong enough in what they actually did do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is more video (starts around 2:20 in the below link) from a store surveillance camera that was captured before the phone video, that depicts Floyd was compliant with the officers. So far there is no evidence and no video of him resisting arrest. The officers statements are all lies.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/george-floyd-s-sister-says-firing-officers-not-enough-they-n1215371

Nope, but your statement is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06vepNDjdU

If anyone wants to see where the man physically resisted the officers see the link above - after "Nope, but your statement is."

This is where the encounter turned physical and this is why the officers restrained Floyd.

Are you an idiot?

He wasn’t choked out in this incident. They put him in cuffs, sit him on the sidewalk for a while, and place him in squad car across the street.

Why did the white officer pull him out of the car and murder him in front of the crowd?

Here’s the proof....he’s placed in a squad car at the end.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/27/surveillance-footage-before-george-floyd-killed-minneapolis-not-resisting/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’d like to hear some constructive solutions here...

And yes, the criminal cops (and others) must be held accountable!!

That isn't going to happen on this site. There are very few people on here with actual LE experience, and they get drowned out by hateful people making long winded ignorant statements. Or they just accuse you of being a racist or whatever.

First change I would make is requiring police to live in the city that they serve.

Don’t want to do that? Go find another job.

I like that.

I’d add extensive training in community building and de-escalation techniques. Their job is to protect and serve - to keep the peace. No terrorize millions of people.

Fire Mayor Jacob Fray?

We will see what happens over the next few critical days. Mixed bag so far. I’m willing to give him another day or so to come up with something.

Was he behind the tear gas order?

Police chief is obviously on thin ice also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is more video (starts around 2:20 in the below link) from a store surveillance camera that was captured before the phone video, that depicts Floyd was compliant with the officers. So far there is no evidence and no video of him resisting arrest. The officers statements are all lies.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/george-floyd-s-sister-says-firing-officers-not-enough-they-n1215371

Nope, but your statement is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06vepNDjdU

If anyone wants to see where the man physically resisted the officers see the link above - after "Nope, but your statement is."

This is where the encounter turned physical and this is why the officers restrained Floyd.

Are you an idiot?

He wasn’t choked out in this incident. They put him in cuffs, sit him on the sidewalk for a while, and place him in squad car across the street.

Why did the white officer pull him out of the car and murder him in front of the crowd?

Here’s the proof....he’s placed in a squad car at the end.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/27/surveillance-footage-before-george-floyd-killed-minneapolis-not-resisting/

Also, if you watch the TMZ video it appears he is in a lot of pain and perhaps having a medical issue. Lots of grimacing and then he falls off the curb when they try to get him in the squad car. He seems to have some sort of physical ailment.

The cops were so very wrong here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The officer is not guilty for restraining the man. It was the WAY he restrained that man that was improper and, yes, the officer is liable for that. Unfortunately, the person who is now dead is a man who made a bad choice by resisting the officer in the first place. The man is the one who instigated the physical altercation in the first place. I know that you do not want to hear it but that is what happened. Should he have had his neck kneeled on? No way. Was that officer on some type of power kick? Absolutely. Did the officer use a proper restraint on the guy? No.

Who is now dead? The man who physically resisted the officers. Had he made a different choice, he likely would not be dead. You don't want to hear that but that is the truth. All the protests over his death is not going to bring him back.

Hold the bad officers accountable for their crimes - absolutely.

The very definition of victim blame. The reason nothing changes is because this narrative (which likely isn't even true in this case) always wins in the long run.

-- Not black, but a rape survivor who, yes, drank too much that night...

+1 Exactly

A woman has absolutely no obligation to comply with a rapist so do not even go there.

The man in this video did have the obligation to comply with what the officers were telling him to do and he was aware that when he did not comply that the officers would physically MAKE him comply.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PS I think we all owe it to George Floyd and our black and brown brothers and sisters to share this horrifying video and publicly condemn it. It is stomach turning to watch. We need our stomachs turned. We need to get outraged. We need to change this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lirHz93qJ50

I would show this video to my kid and say "Whatever you do, do not make the police get physical with you. Do what they ask you to do and keep your hands where they can see them. If they ask you for your license and registration and you have to reach into the glove compartment to get them, say "Officer, I need to reach into the glove compartment to get my registration. I need to reach in my pocket to get my license."

In fact, I have already told my kid just that.

I am NOT defending that cop for kneeling on that man's neck until he died BUT this all could have been avoided if that man had been respectful and compliant from the get go. Again - I am not saying that what this cop did was in anyway excusable. I am saying that the man would still be alive today had he been respectful and compliant with the officers.

We need to get this message across to our kids somehow, someway.

I'm not black, but you're making my blood boil. Pretty much every black person I know, especially parents of boys, has this conversation with their kids...except, it's more like, "One day the police will get physical with you. This is what you do to stay alive." As another PP pointed out, Philando Castile did everything you are describing...and he got murdered in front of a pre-schooler for it.

I have said that you can do everything right and still have this happen. The man in this particular video that we have been talking about DID resist arrest, he was not compliant and that is why the officers took him to the ground. The officer should never have kneeled on the man's neck like that. But the bottom line is the one who is dead is the guy who got his neck kneeled on. Would he have gotten his neck kneeled on if he had simply complied - most likely NO.

No. The police officer is 100% responsible for his actions. No victim blaming here.

The officer is responsible for kneeling on the man's neck and using an improper restraint on him that restricted his airway and killed him. I have said repeatedly that I consider what he did to be a crime and he should be punished for it.

However, since the man was physically resisting arrest, the officers were doing nothing wrong by physically bringing him to the ground. It was what happened once on the ground that caused this man's death and that is where the cops went wrong. I am going to tell my own kids, for their own survival, to NEVER get physical with a cop, ever.

Any proof that he was resisting? And no, we are not relying on the dirty cops’ word. They are lying bastards.

Two videos so far show the victim not resisting in any way. Further, the idiot cops took him out of the car only to murder him in front of a crowd.

Bring proof or STFU.

-White Man

There is video upthread of him resisting. The cops were ordering him out of his vehicle, he wasn't complying and it took two of them to get him out. You probably didn't see that part and I hadn't, either. Once I saw that he had actually gotten physical with the cops - more resisting them but still physical - that was when I could see that they had a reason to get him physically restrained. They had no right to kneel on his neck like that and it was crazy how the other cops there did nothing to stop him.

Looks like he was right to not want to get out if the car.

Hope these cops fry.

Nope. You don't get to physically resist police officers, not comply with their orders and then act SHOCKED when they get physical back. The officers were fine to restrain the guy. It was the WAY the guy was restrained and the unnecessarily long amount of time he was held down once he was in control that is the issue and that is what led to this man's death.

But to say that this guy was just walking along when suddenly out of nowhere cops jumped him, forced him to the ground and then kneeled on his neck until he died is not accurate. If you want to tell the story, tell the whole story and tell it accurately. The cops were wrong enough in what they actually did do.

NO. They were all extremely wrong with what they did. Especially Chauvin.

The whole dept is majorly f-ed up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/us/minneapolis-police.html

“The fact that these officers were being filmed by bystanders and still continued to engage in that conduct shows you everything about the culture of the Minneapolis Police Department,” said Michelle Gross, the president of Communities United Against Police Brutality. “They feel they’re immune to any kind of accountability. They feel they can get away with it.”