APS: Think the "no move" campaign is going to work?

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The ganging up on the lady who correctly pointed out that crazy key teacher used "equally" instead of "equitably" is just unbelievable and reaches a whole new level of "unbelievable."

Actually, it's completely believable for that site. Plenty of times I wanted to speak up, but I won't because of the mob mentality. It's not a productive group at all anymore. People used to have discussions, now they just name call and gang up on people. I feel sorry for their kids' teachers.

FWIW, I know a lot of families who are in favor of the moves and didn't speak up because they didn't feel like they needed to. It wasn't that they didn't know. People know. They just don't think it's the end of the world like a few McK & Key families.

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So, didn’t we already debunk the myth that the majority of Latinx kids live near Key? Other than that one building, The Woodbury, they’re now living in other parts of Arlington and moving immersion would actually put it closer to them and make it more accessible. Is this not the case? Aren’t a number of Key students, even the Spanish speaking ones, being bused to Key from other neighborhoods right now?

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Anonymous wrote:So, didn’t we already debunk the myth that the majority of Latinx kids live near Key? Other than that one building, The Woodbury, they’re now living in other parts of Arlington and moving immersion would actually put it closer to them and make it more accessible. Is this not the case? Aren’t a number of Key students, even the Spanish speaking ones, being bused to Key from other neighborhoods right now?

Yes, this is the case. And with the neighborhood preference eliminated, more and more students will be bussed to the school. If they'd been able to wait a few years this swap might have been less contentious with the Key pop. But right now a lot of the kids in the older grades came in when it was a neighborhood school. Even so, the data doesn't support the AEM group's cries that so many of their families lack transportation and can't get to the school if it moves. The APS transportation study shiowed only around 10% walk or bike to school. And even if it stays there, that % will likely decline as more non-neighborhood kids come in

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Anonymous wrote:We will have a tough decision to make if our option school moves. I'm not throwing a tantrum either, but the county has no idea how the moves will impact the option programs.

Which school?

Either way it sounds like they didn’t pick it for the pedagogy. If a option program isn’t strong enough to survive a 2 mile move, why are we putting so many resources into it?

I’m open to the possibility that moving option schools would present a significant burden to people, but it would be helpful to know what those significant burdens actually are. I think APS is sincere in their desire to provide supports during the transition, but people need to be willing to discuss their situations.

Interesting that pp at the top of this never came back to explain. One might almost think the “dilemma” was completely made up.

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Anonymous wrote:We will have a tough decision to make if our option school moves. I'm not throwing a tantrum either, but the county has no idea how the moves will impact the option programs.

Which school?

Either way it sounds like they didn’t pick it for the pedagogy. If a option program isn’t strong enough to survive a 2 mile move, why are we putting so many resources into it?

I’m open to the possibility that moving option schools would present a significant burden to people, but it would be helpful to know what those significant burdens actually are. I think APS is sincere in their desire to provide supports during the transition, but people need to be willing to discuss their situations.

Interesting that pp at the top of this never came back to explain. One might almost think the “dilemma” was completely made up.

From what I read on AEM, the argument is that the Latino families who live near Key rely on extended day and have no cars. They need to walk to pick up their kids from extended day. So if the bilingual program moves to the ATS site, even if their kids get bus service, they won't be able to move with it because they would not be able to get to the school after work.

I have no independent knowledge of this situation and I'm not advocating one way or the other, that's just my understanding from reading through the comments.

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Anonymous wrote:We will have a tough decision to make if our option school moves. I'm not throwing a tantrum either, but the county has no idea how the moves will impact the option programs.

Which school?

Either way it sounds like they didn’t pick it for the pedagogy. If a option program isn’t strong enough to survive a 2 mile move, why are we putting so many resources into it?

I’m open to the possibility that moving option schools would present a significant burden to people, but it would be helpful to know what those significant burdens actually are. I think APS is sincere in their desire to provide supports during the transition, but people need to be willing to discuss their situations.

Interesting that pp at the top of this never came back to explain. One might almost think the “dilemma” was completely made up.

From what I read on AEM, the argument is that the Latino families who live near Key rely on extended day and have no cars. They need to walk to pick up their kids from extended day. So if the bilingual program moves to the ATS site, even if their kids get bus service, they won't be able to move with it because they would not be able to get to the school after work.

I have no independent knowledge of this situation and I'm not advocating one way or the other, that's just my understanding from reading through the comments.

This isn't true though. There are afterschool programs for elementary kids at Woodbury Park -- why would they use extended day when there is aftercare in their building?
I agree that very few of the people in that area have cars -- this is why they need a walkable elementary school!

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Anonymous wrote:We will have a tough decision to make if our option school moves. I'm not throwing a tantrum either, but the county has no idea how the moves will impact the option programs.

Which school?

Either way it sounds like they didn’t pick it for the pedagogy. If a option program isn’t strong enough to survive a 2 mile move, why are we putting so many resources into it?

I’m open to the possibility that moving option schools would present a significant burden to people, but it would be helpful to know what those significant burdens actually are. I think APS is sincere in their desire to provide supports during the transition, but people need to be willing to discuss their situations.

Interesting that pp at the top of this never came back to explain. One might almost think the “dilemma” was completely made up.

From what I read on AEM, the argument is that the Latino families who live near Key rely on extended day and have no cars. They need to walk to pick up their kids from extended day. So if the bilingual program moves to the ATS site, even if their kids get bus service, they won't be able to move with it because they would not be able to get to the school after work.

I have no independent knowledge of this situation and I'm not advocating one way or the other, that's just my understanding from reading through the comments.

Yes, that is their argument. At the same time there are a lot of low-income families in the area who do not go to Key and just have to deal with their schools (ASFS or Taylor) not being walkable. And, other Spanish speaking families who might want immersion but don't apply because of proximity issues. The move will 1) Make Key more accessible to more Spanish-speaking families because it will be closer to the larger concentration of those families and 2) provide a walkable neighborhood school which will benefit more of the neighborhood's low-income families. So, ultimately, the location change will better serve more low income and/or Spanish-speaking families. However, the AEM group only cares about the specific low-income/Spanish speaking kids who are currently at Key rather than the larger community. But, if you were to suggest that you are clearly racist and want to hurt poor people.

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Anonymous wrote:We will have a tough decision to make if our option school moves. I'm not throwing a tantrum either, but the county has no idea how the moves will impact the option programs.

Which school?

Either way it sounds like they didn’t pick it for the pedagogy. If a option program isn’t strong enough to survive a 2 mile move, why are we putting so many resources into it?

I’m open to the possibility that moving option schools would present a significant burden to people, but it would be helpful to know what those significant burdens actually are. I think APS is sincere in their desire to provide supports during the transition, but people need to be willing to discuss their situations.

Interesting that pp at the top of this never came back to explain. One might almost think the “dilemma” was completely made up.

From what I read on AEM, the argument is that the Latino families who live near Key rely on extended day and have no cars. They need to walk to pick up their kids from extended day. So if the bilingual program moves to the ATS site, even if their kids get bus service, they won't be able to move with it because they would not be able to get to the school after work.

I have no independent knowledge of this situation and I'm not advocating one way or the other, that's just my understanding from reading through the comments.

Yes, that is what they are saying. What they are not saying is that the same situation is true for the neighborhood kids who go to the neighborhood school. Those kids can just figure out a way to Taylor because Key parents do not care about them.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sensing a slight shift away from the move now momentum.

who is shifting? staff? Board members?

Not sure what PP is referring to but it looks like the AEM crowd hasn’t given up yet.

They’re not exactly the brightest bulbs in the box.

They still have zero concern for neighborhood kids going to Taylor. They don’t even know their own FARMS rate (39.41 doesn’t sound as good as “over 43” I guess).

I love how they throw out the accusations of racism when someone who is not a sycophant dares to post a comment on one of their discussions. Crazy Key Teacher is THE WORST! I hope I never meet her in real life.

I do wonder if they have self-awareness. Do they realize they are the same five people responding to every Key post and attacking anyone who doesn't agree with every aspect of what they say? I'm pretty darn liberal, but some of them are beyond parody.

DP. I just caught up on that thread. Lol "children deserve better" could that guy actually be a troll? Otherwise, whew, what unbearable a**holes.

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Can someone point me to the “better” map that has been shared with staff and supposedly ignored? Is it the one they posted? The one that carves out and sends both Gilliam Place AND The Berkeley, (and possibly even Columbia Hills, can’t tell without Street names) all to Drew? That one?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone point me to the “better” map that has been shared with staff and supposedly ignored? Is it the one they posted? The one that carves out and sends both Gilliam Place AND The Berkeley, (and possibly even Columbia Hills, can’t tell without Street names) all to Drew? That one?

OMG. This map is enraging.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone point me to the “better” map that has been shared with staff and supposedly ignored? Is it the one they posted? The one that carves out and sends both Gilliam Place AND The Berkeley, (and possibly even Columbia Hills, can’t tell without Street names) all to Drew? That one?

yes- that's the one. It moves most of Rosslyn to Long Branch, and Long Branch to Fleet- then Fleet to Drew. It ignores Pre-K and leaves ASFS and Long Branch without room for VPI classrooms.
But it does "keep Key on Key" and ensures that lots of upper middle class parents can continue to have easy commutes via metro to get to and from their kids choice school.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone point me to the “better” map that has been shared with staff and supposedly ignored? Is it the one they posted? The one that carves out and sends both Gilliam Place AND The Berkeley, (and possibly even Columbia Hills, can’t tell without Street names) all to Drew? That one?

yes- that's the one. It moves most of Rosslyn to Long Branch, and Long Branch to Fleet- then Fleet to Drew. It ignores Pre-K and leaves ASFS and Long Branch without room for VPI classrooms.
But it does "keep Key on Key" and ensures that lots of upper middle class parents can continue to have easy commutes via metro to get to and from their kids choice school.

Very ironic considering the whining about APS not considering demographics.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone point me to the “better” map that has been shared with staff and supposedly ignored? Is it the one they posted? The one that carves out and sends both Gilliam Place AND The Berkeley, (and possibly even Columbia Hills, can’t tell without Street names) all to Drew? That one?

yes- that's the one. It moves most of Rosslyn to Long Branch, and Long Branch to Fleet- then Fleet to Drew. It ignores Pre-K and leaves ASFS and Long Branch without room for VPI classrooms.
But it does "keep Key on Key" and ensures that lots of upper middle class parents can continue to have easy commutes via metro to get to and from their kids choice school.

Very ironic considering the whining about APS not considering demographics.

This is clearly a McKinley map, both based on the people behind it and on the fact that it still moves Key to ATS and ATS to Nottingham. McKinley *plainly* DGAF about demographics. Or about the kids who would have just been rezoned this year and would then move schools again like five minutes later.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone point me to the “better” map that has been shared with staff and supposedly ignored? Is it the one they posted? The one that carves out and sends both Gilliam Place AND The Berkeley, (and possibly even Columbia Hills, can’t tell without Street names) all to Drew? That one?

yes- that's the one. It moves most of Rosslyn to Long Branch, and Long Branch to Fleet- then Fleet to Drew. It ignores Pre-K and leaves ASFS and Long Branch without room for VPI classrooms.
But it does "keep Key on Key" and ensures that lots of upper middle class parents can continue to have easy commutes via metro to get to and from their kids choice school.

Very ironic considering the whining about APS not considering demographics.

This is clearly a McKinley map, both based on the people behind it and on the fact that it still moves Key to ATS and ATS to Nottingham. McKinley *plainly* DGAF about demographics. Or about the kids who would have just been rezoned this year and would then move schools again like five minutes later.

that's the Key map-- done by a white upper middle class Key parent who is active in the ACDC and considers herself very 'woke.' She lives in the Taylor district, but is much closer to Key than Taylor so is highly impacted by the change. Yes- she is on AEM screaming racism and lack of consideration of demographics but is extremely proud of her map that eliminates space for VPI classrooms, and screws Fleet and Drew.