Discussion Boundary Map out for APS- elementary schools

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

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Yes, if you all will remember, those car-free folks lobbied hard to make sure Kirkwood was not crossable during the walk zone review. Just waaaaaay too dangerous to have elementary school kids walk across Kirkwood. So it looks like LV will be going to the new Key school!

Too bad they didn't speak up to get a crossing guard at Kirkwood when they had the chance.

Wow. Still holding on to that grudge. Why are you so angry? You weren't actually involved at that time, since the asfs neighborhood reps from that meeting have since moved. You should really let go some of your anger.
If there is a new school at Key (which is still an if), they would likely put all of lyon village there, and have wilson be the dividing line (north of wilson goes to key, south to asfs). That's conjecture though, and its based off the idea that they would want to balance diversity between the two schools. They could also do that upper/lower idea people have floated.

The upper/lower idea is terrible. The only way it might work is with ASFS and Buck, and Buck costs way too much money for too few seats.

There are way too many students today to support your boundary proposal, and many many more coming soon with new developments. The only real unknown is how many current Key families will stay at Key as a neighborhood school. That will determine who in Rosslyn gets bussed elsewhere.

South of Wilson is going to LB. West of Highland is going to ASFS. East of Highland goes to Key. Rosslyn will still need to go to either Taylor or Hoffman-Boston.

Yep! This is it.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

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Yes, if you all will remember, those car-free folks lobbied hard to make sure Kirkwood was not crossable during the walk zone review. Just waaaaaay too dangerous to have elementary school kids walk across Kirkwood. So it looks like LV will be going to the new Key school!

Too bad they didn't speak up to get a crossing guard at Kirkwood when they had the chance.

Wow. Still holding on to that grudge. Why are you so angry? You weren't actually involved at that time, since the asfs neighborhood reps from that meeting have since moved. You should really let go some of your anger.
If there is a new school at Key (which is still an if), they would likely put all of lyon village there, and have wilson be the dividing line (north of wilson goes to key, south to asfs). That's conjecture though, and its based off the idea that they would want to balance diversity between the two schools. They could also do that upper/lower idea people have floated.

The upper/lower idea is terrible. The only way it might work is with ASFS and Buck, and Buck costs way too much money for too few seats.

There are way too many students today to support your boundary proposal, and many many more coming soon with new developments. The only real unknown is how many current Key families will stay at Key as a neighborhood school. That will determine who in Rosslyn gets bussed elsewhere.

South of Wilson is going to LB. West of Highland is going to ASFS. East of Highland goes to Key. Rosslyn will still need to go to either Taylor or Hoffman-Boston.

Yep! This is it.

I don’t think they’re going to carve up civic associations unless they absolutely have to in order to make the numbers work, even considering walk zones. Just conjecture on my part.

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That's not a consideration or even a guiding principle for this boundary process last time I checked.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

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Yes, if you all will remember, those car-free folks lobbied hard to make sure Kirkwood was not crossable during the walk zone review. Just waaaaaay too dangerous to have elementary school kids walk across Kirkwood. So it looks like LV will be going to the new Key school!

Too bad they didn't speak up to get a crossing guard at Kirkwood when they had the chance.

Wow. Still holding on to that grudge. Why are you so angry? You weren't actually involved at that time, since the asfs neighborhood reps from that meeting have since moved. You should really let go some of your anger.
If there is a new school at Key (which is still an if), they would likely put all of lyon village there, and have wilson be the dividing line (north of wilson goes to key, south to asfs). That's conjecture though, and its based off the idea that they would want to balance diversity between the two schools. They could also do that upper/lower idea people have floated.

The upper/lower idea is terrible. The only way it might work is with ASFS and Buck, and Buck costs way too much money for too few seats.

There are way too many students today to support your boundary proposal, and many many more coming soon with new developments. The only real unknown is how many current Key families will stay at Key as a neighborhood school. That will determine who in Rosslyn gets bussed elsewhere.

South of Wilson is going to LB. West of Highland is going to ASFS. East of Highland goes to Key. Rosslyn will still need to go to either Taylor or Hoffman-Boston.

There is no world in which Rosslyn goes to Hoffman-Boston. You keep saying that on various threads and it really undermines your credibility. Key, Taylor, Long Branch, and even Fleet could be options. Not Hoffman-Boston.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, all of your fighting over which high performing school your kids get to go to is ridiculous. All of those north arlington schools are excellent - hence the surrounding real estate values.

The bigger challenge will be south arlington - if there is any effort at diversity.

having just moved my oldest to private, I can assure you they are not all excellent. my youngest will go next year. these schools are great for poor performers and high achievers, anything in between gets lost in the crowd and often have needs go unmet. we are fortunate to have the ability to send them elsewhere but I hope SA schools are not like this and can better put Title 1 funds to use to serve all children.

Keep hoping.
Except not all the high-achievers get everything they need, either.

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What's going to happen to the Clarendon-Courthouse crazies when middle school boundaries are adjusted in 2022? They highjacked the MS boundary process to go to Hamm, but after they get sent to LB they'll need to be rezoned to Jefferson.

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Anonymous wrote:What's going to happen to the Clarendon-Courthouse crazies when middle school boundaries are adjusted in 2022? They highjacked the MS boundary process to go to Hamm, but after they get sent to LB they'll need to be rezoned to Jefferson.

Nah, Hamm is too empty. They'll stay there.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

+1

Yes, if you all will remember, those car-free folks lobbied hard to make sure Kirkwood was not crossable during the walk zone review. Just waaaaaay too dangerous to have elementary school kids walk across Kirkwood. So it looks like LV will be going to the new Key school!

Too bad they didn't speak up to get a crossing guard at Kirkwood when they had the chance.

Wow. Still holding on to that grudge. Why are you so angry? You weren't actually involved at that time, since the asfs neighborhood reps from that meeting have since moved. You should really let go some of your anger.
If there is a new school at Key (which is still an if), they would likely put all of lyon village there, and have wilson be the dividing line (north of wilson goes to key, south to asfs). That's conjecture though, and its based off the idea that they would want to balance diversity between the two schools. They could also do that upper/lower idea people have floated.

The upper/lower idea is terrible. The only way it might work is with ASFS and Buck, and Buck costs way too much money for too few seats.

There are way too many students today to support your boundary proposal, and many many more coming soon with new developments. The only real unknown is how many current Key families will stay at Key as a neighborhood school. That will determine who in Rosslyn gets bussed elsewhere.

South of Wilson is going to LB. West of Highland is going to ASFS. East of Highland goes to Key. Rosslyn will still need to go to either Taylor or Hoffman-Boston.

Uh, has anyone looked at the enrollment and capacity #s? Hoffman Boston is already projected to be 139% above capacity next year.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

+1

Yes, if you all will remember, those car-free folks lobbied hard to make sure Kirkwood was not crossable during the walk zone review. Just waaaaaay too dangerous to have elementary school kids walk across Kirkwood. So it looks like LV will be going to the new Key school!

Too bad they didn't speak up to get a crossing guard at Kirkwood when they had the chance.

Wow. Still holding on to that grudge. Why are you so angry? You weren't actually involved at that time, since the asfs neighborhood reps from that meeting have since moved. You should really let go some of your anger.
If there is a new school at Key (which is still an if), they would likely put all of lyon village there, and have wilson be the dividing line (north of wilson goes to key, south to asfs). That's conjecture though, and its based off the idea that they would want to balance diversity between the two schools. They could also do that upper/lower idea people have floated.

The upper/lower idea is terrible. The only way it might work is with ASFS and Buck, and Buck costs way too much money for too few seats.

There are way too many students today to support your boundary proposal, and many many more coming soon with new developments. The only real unknown is how many current Key families will stay at Key as a neighborhood school. That will determine who in Rosslyn gets bussed elsewhere.

South of Wilson is going to LB. West of Highland is going to ASFS. East of Highland goes to Key. Rosslyn will still need to go to either Taylor or Hoffman-Boston.

Uh, has anyone looked at the enrollment and capacity #s? Hoffman Boston is already projected to be 139% above capacity next year.

Has anyone seen reality? Hoffman-Boston is only 90% capacity this year, and Drew is 65%. The projections were based on the old boundaries and they are invalid now for any informed discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:What's going to happen to the Clarendon-Courthouse crazies when middle school boundaries are adjusted in 2022? They highjacked the MS boundary process to go to Hamm, but after they get sent to LB they'll need to be rezoned to Jefferson.

Oh yeah, the tears and crying on stage, as if the fact they were zoned for a different middle school from most of ASFS was a surprise to them.

Worked out well, they likely got a big discount on price since TJ definitely is not as sought after. LB I think is still pretty good so that’s a win for the crying crazies I guess.

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I don’t think they’re going to carve up civic associations unless they absolutely have to in order to make the numbers work, even considering walk zones. Just conjecture on my part.

This has to be one of the funniest posts I’ve ever read- yes, god forbid they break up the Civic Associations— even if that means disregarding obvious and natural walk zones!

How does the Lyon Village Civic Association survive being split between Taylor and ASFS? It must be total chaos and unbearable. Best send them all to the new Key school.

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I don’t think they’re going to carve up civic associations unless they absolutely have to in order to make the numbers work, even considering walk zones. Just conjecture on my part.

This has to be one of the funniest posts I’ve ever read- yes, god forbid they break up the Civic Associations— even if that means disregarding obvious and natural walk zones!

How does the Lyon Village Civic Association survive being split between Taylor and ASFS? It must be total chaos and unbearable. Best send them all to the new Key school.

+1. APS uses planning units, not civic associations. There are multiple civic associations in Arlington that are split between schools.

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I don’t think they’re going to carve up civic associations unless they absolutely have to in order to make the numbers work, even considering walk zones. Just conjecture on my part.

This has to be one of the funniest posts I’ve ever read- yes, god forbid they break up the Civic Associations— even if that means disregarding obvious and natural walk zones!

How does the Lyon Village Civic Association survive being split between Taylor and ASFS? It must be total chaos and unbearable. Best send them all to the new Key school.

+1. APS uses planning units, not civic associations. There are multiple civic associations in Arlington that are split between schools.

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They DGAF about civic associations. LOL.

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^^ nor should they!

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Anonymous wrote:What's going to happen to the Clarendon-Courthouse crazies when middle school boundaries are adjusted in 2022? They highjacked the MS boundary process to go to Hamm, but after they get sent to LB they'll need to be rezoned to Jefferson.

Oh yeah, the tears and crying on stage, as if the fact they were zoned for a different middle school from most of ASFS was a surprise to them.

Worked out well, they likely got a big discount on price since TJ definitely is not as sought after. LB I think is still pretty good so that’s a win for the crying crazies I guess.

This thread has really jumped the shark. You guys are dredging up stuff from literally two years ago. You are complaining about people getting zoned for a middle school, that opened 30% under capacity, and saying that they should get zoned for another one that is currently at 110% capacity, out of spite. What do you think that neighborhood did to you exactly?
You guys are the epitome of trolls. I really hope I never figure out who you all are in real life.