Discussion Boundary Map out for APS- elementary schools

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, all of your fighting over which high performing school your kids get to go to is ridiculous. All of those north arlington schools are excellent - hence the surrounding real estate values.

The bigger challenge will be south arlington - if there is any effort at diversity.

The people in south Arlington who fashion themselves diversity warriors so that their kids won’t be the only white ones at their neighborhood schools are fighting the good fight, right?

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

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Yes, if you all will remember, those car-free folks lobbied hard to make sure Kirkwood was not crossable during the walk zone review. Just waaaaaay too dangerous to have elementary school kids walk across Kirkwood. So it looks like LV will be going to the new Key school!

Too bad they didn't speak up to get a crossing guard at Kirkwood when they had the chance.

Wow. Still holding on to that grudge. Why are you so angry? You weren't actually involved at that time, since the asfs neighborhood reps from that meeting have since moved. You should really let go some of your anger.
If there is a new school at Key (which is still an if), they would likely put all of lyon village there, and have wilson be the dividing line (north of wilson goes to key, south to asfs). That's conjecture though, and its based off the idea that they would want to balance diversity between the two schools. They could also do that upper/lower idea people have floated.

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I think the beauty of this SB initiative, tackling the entire county at once, is that the screaming over hyper-local concerns will be diluted by all the other screaming over hyper-local concerns. Doing just a few schools at a time, or attempting a swap of 2 schools, makes it harder to ignore the t shirts and whiners.

Right, because the SB did such a good job ignoring shirts and whiners in the SA process?!?! Did you miss that process?? Pandered to them all and left the SS they currently have with a school like Drew at 65% capacity. Yeah, have lots of confidence they can handle the entire county at one time.

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

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Yes, if you all will remember, those car-free folks lobbied hard to make sure Kirkwood was not crossable during the walk zone review. Just waaaaaay too dangerous to have elementary school kids walk across Kirkwood. So it looks like LV will be going to the new Key school!

Too bad they didn't speak up to get a crossing guard at Kirkwood when they had the chance.

In the end, the community input map has western Lyon Village in the probable walk zone expansion anyway: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/ES_ASF_WZ_Policy_Round2.pdf

So the ASFS part of LV will go to Key and the Taylor part of LV might go to ASFS or Key, depending on #s.

[Anonymous]

Are people seriously still talking about upper and lower schools for ASF? People, please pay attention. This is not happening. There is no money to make this happen and the million other reasons why it does not make sense has been repeated ad nauseam. Let it go.

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I think the beauty of this SB initiative, tackling the entire county at once, is that the screaming over hyper-local concerns will be diluted by all the other screaming over hyper-local concerns. Doing just a few schools at a time, or attempting a swap of 2 schools, makes it harder to ignore the t shirts and whiners.

Right, because the SB did such a good job ignoring shirts and whiners in the SA process?!?! Did you miss that process?? Pandered to them all and left the SS they currently have with a school like Drew at 65% capacity. Yeah, have lots of confidence they can handle the entire county at one time.

That wasn’t the entire county at once, was it?

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In the end, the community input map has western Lyon Village in the probable walk zone expansion anyway: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/ES_ASF_WZ_Policy_Round2.pdf

That's the map that was nixed by the non-neighborhood ASFS parents who went to the walk review meeting and lobbied that you could never make Kirkwood safe to cross (you know, the same ones who two years later still hold a grudge about the yellow tee shirts at the SB meeting where Kirkwood was discussed).

Hopefully, APS has enough sense to stick a crossing guard or hawk light on Kirkwood and open up the Kirkwood to Highland part of LV and make it part ASFS' walk zone. Once you do that, ASFS will be 50%+ walk zone/walkers.

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So the ASFS part of LV will go to Key and the Taylor part of LV might go to ASFS or Key, depending on #s.

+1 This is more likely

[Anonymous]

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I think the beauty of this SB initiative, tackling the entire county at once, is that the screaming over hyper-local concerns will be diluted by all the other screaming over hyper-local concerns. Doing just a few schools at a time, or attempting a swap of 2 schools, makes it harder to ignore the t shirts and whiners.

Right, because the SB did such a good job ignoring shirts and whiners in the SA process?!?! Did you miss that process?? Pandered to them all and left the SS they currently have with a school like Drew at 65% capacity. Yeah, have lots of confidence they can handle the entire county at one time.

Agree, going to be a total mess. Let's throw more problems at them (in addition to CIP time) and expect better outcomes.

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Anonymous wrote:Are people seriously still talking about upper and lower schools for ASF? People, please pay attention. This is not happening. There is no money to make this happen and the million other reasons why it does not make sense has been repeated ad nauseam. Let it go.

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Key will become its own neighborhood school.

It's the best option given the #s.

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In the end, the community input map has western Lyon Village in the probable walk zone expansion anyway: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/ES_ASF_WZ_Policy_Round2.pdf

That's the map that was nixed by the non-neighborhood ASFS parents who went to the walk review meeting and lobbied that you could never make Kirkwood safe to cross (you know, the same ones who two years later still hold a grudge about the yellow tee shirts at the SB meeting where Kirkwood was discussed).

Hopefully, APS has enough sense to stick a crossing guard or hawk light on Kirkwood and open up the Kirkwood to Highland part of LV and make it part ASFS' walk zone. Once you do that, ASFS will be 50%+ walk zone/walkers.

Yes. Just put a hawk light or crossing light there and call it a day. Why is this even being debated again? So ridiculous.

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I think the beauty of this SB initiative, tackling the entire county at once, is that the screaming over hyper-local concerns will be diluted by all the other screaming over hyper-local concerns. Doing just a few schools at a time, or attempting a swap of 2 schools, makes it harder to ignore the t shirts and whiners.

Right, because the SB did such a good job ignoring shirts and whiners in the SA process?!?! Did you miss that process?? Pandered to them all and left the SS they currently have with a school like Drew at 65% capacity. Yeah, have lots of confidence they can handle the entire county at one time.

Agree, going to be a total mess. Let's throw more problems at them (in addition to CIP time) and expect better outcomes.

As long as we are all equally fcked that's fine. Just no pandering to loud-mouthed parents.

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I think the beauty of this SB initiative, tackling the entire county at once, is that the screaming over hyper-local concerns will be diluted by all the other screaming over hyper-local concerns. Doing just a few schools at a time, or attempting a swap of 2 schools, makes it harder to ignore the t shirts and whiners.

Right, because the SB did such a good job ignoring shirts and whiners in the SA process?!?! Did you miss that process?? Pandered to them all and left the SS they currently have with a school like Drew at 65% capacity. Yeah, have lots of confidence they can handle the entire county at one time.

Agree, going to be a total mess. Let's throw more problems at them (in addition to CIP time) and expect better outcomes.

As long as we are all equally fcked that's fine. Just no pandering to loud-mouthed parents.

New to APS? That's how they do business. Especially when combined with a favorite card or two - deal sealed!

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If Key and ASFS are both neighborhood schools, is that enough seats to absorb all the kids who would no longer be choosing immersion for location?

Barely-- Rosslyn and Courthouse could easily fill Key. Lyon Village and the neighborhood around ASFS, once you add in the Ashlawn tail and the American Legion housing being built, will overcrowd ASFS in no time.

But still a lot better than having one of those schools be an option school.

What will be interesting is when Key becomes a neighborhood school and all those "car-free" families can no longer stick their kids on the bus and have that extra 20-40 minutes each morning and each afternoon that little Larlo and Larla are on the bus. It works out great that you can drop Larlo off at the bus stop at 8:10 and then walk to the Metro to get to work by 9 but what happens when you now have to wait until almost 9 and walk your kid to the school? And have to be at the school for pick up at 3:41 rather than looking out your window at 4:10 to see if the bus there yet? I'm sure they will be back on this board complaining that they liked it better when their kids could take the bus-lol!

Are you familiar with before and aftercare? One could walk their kid to or from either to make it work.

Sure, but that's not what the car-free families are used to-- and more importantly, what they feel they are entitled to. Truth is, a lot of folks could easily walk their kids to ASFS but choose not to because it's much more convenient to use the bus. Of course you will take the bus when offered but it's going to be an adjustment for a lot of folks when they have to actually start walking their younger kids to school versus leaving them at a bus stop with a bunch of other kids and adults.

And before and aftercare cost money and spots are limited. Again, that will be fine for some but not for everyone. Just you wait-- based on the responses on this board, everyone along the R-B corridor, including Lyon Village, should be thrilled when Key becomes a neighborhood school and they can all walk/have shorter commutes but I betcha there will be a HUGE resistance, especially from the Lyon Village folks about going to the Key building.

Most of LV will stay at ASFS. I wonder who will go to Long Branch. APS has huge excess capacity at Hoffman-Boston and especially Drew. They have to balance enrollment, meaning many families living between RB corridor and Drew will be shift south.

Nope. LV around Key will go to Key. Why bother to put ASFS in its own boundary if they are going to put Key outside of its?

Key is at the edge of LV. ASFS is adjacent to LV. Both Key and ASFS will be in their own boundaries. Most of LV will stay at ASFS.

Looking at a map I don’t see how that’s possible. Kirkwood looks like the logical boundary.

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Yes, if you all will remember, those car-free folks lobbied hard to make sure Kirkwood was not crossable during the walk zone review. Just waaaaaay too dangerous to have elementary school kids walk across Kirkwood. So it looks like LV will be going to the new Key school!

Too bad they didn't speak up to get a crossing guard at Kirkwood when they had the chance.

Wow. Still holding on to that grudge. Why are you so angry? You weren't actually involved at that time, since the asfs neighborhood reps from that meeting have since moved. You should really let go some of your anger.
If there is a new school at Key (which is still an if), they would likely put all of lyon village there, and have wilson be the dividing line (north of wilson goes to key, south to asfs). That's conjecture though, and its based off the idea that they would want to balance diversity between the two schools. They could also do that upper/lower idea people have floated.

The upper/lower idea is terrible. The only way it might work is with ASFS and Buck, and Buck costs way too much money for too few seats.

There are way too many students today to support your boundary proposal, and many many more coming soon with new developments. The only real unknown is how many current Key families will stay at Key as a neighborhood school. That will determine who in Rosslyn gets bussed elsewhere.

South of Wilson is going to LB. West of Highland is going to ASFS. East of Highland goes to Key. Rosslyn will still need to go to either Taylor or Hoffman-Boston.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, all of your fighting over which high performing school your kids get to go to is ridiculous. All of those north arlington schools are excellent - hence the surrounding real estate values.

The bigger challenge will be south arlington - if there is any effort at diversity.

The people in south Arlington who fashion themselves diversity warriors so that their kids won’t be the only white ones at their neighborhood schools are fighting the good fight, right?

Nobody thinks segregated neighborhood schools lead to optimal outcomes or provide equitable opportunities. Most of us recognize this is a function of an aggressively racist housing policy, and wish we could do better now that we know better. Sorry if that disrupts your worldview.