The very definition of "standardized" means same test/same testing conditions

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Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

What school is this? My DS is a freshman in college, and only one student from his private had to drop out, and that was due to mental health issues, not "not being able to hack it". I have a hard time imagining a school where 20 students had to drop out (and that is just the accommodations ones... there must have been even more that dropped out due o mental health and financial problems) even for a very large HS. What, were there 10000 kids in his class?

Yes, about 750 kids/grade.

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Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

I am not buying it because the parents who are willing to pay to get their kid extra time also make sure their kid gets extra time at college. They are also the parents who will continue to pay for tutors for their college aged kids. They will look and see what classes have take home work instead of tests and then get someone to "help" write their kids' assignments. This isn't knew. I had a roommate at UCLA freshman year who called her dad's secretary/ admin assistant so the secretary could write her reports. She also told me the secretary read some of her assignments and completed work for her. Her father ran his own very successful company and it was a given the secretary/ admin assist. was to help with his kids school work. The secretary/ admin assistant was paid very well and had graduated from a very good school. She was trying to break into the business the father ran, so I guess she was willing to put up with it.

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PP is full of shit. ADHD is co-morbid with other mental illnesses that manifest in lasted teens, like anxiety and depression and bipolar, and mental illness, failure to launch or weak executive functioning are huge issues that can cause ADHD kids to have trouble succeeding in college. So congrats OP on being a complete tool and gloating about kids with mental illnesses or other significant mental issues.

As for extended time? Kids are entitled to continue high school accommodations in collegethey can also work with the learning centers in many colleges. . If the parents can pay to update psychoeducational testing, the kid can carry accommodations over.

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Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

So a bunch of UMC/wealthy kids with highly educated parents all dropped out and are working or in community college because they couldn't handle not having extra time? Twenty of them all from the same high school? If you get an A with extra time, you're not going to fail without extra time. You'll end up with a lower grade. If these kids are from UMC/wealthy families, their parents will pay for tutors/time management coaches to help them stay on top of their assignments. My friend's DD had major issues and managed to graduate from college. I doubt kids with made up ADD (made up--as you seem to imply by the reference to "a particular doctor) can't at least manage Cs if they had good enough grades to get into some of the most well-known colleges. But keep believing if it makes you feel better.

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Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

So a bunch of UMC/wealthy kids with highly educated parents all dropped out and are working or in community college because they couldn't handle not having extra time? Twenty of them all from the same high school? If you get an A with extra time, you're not going to fail without extra time. You'll end up with a lower grade. If these kids are from UMC/wealthy families, their parents will pay for tutors/time management coaches to help them stay on top of their assignments. My friend's DD had major issues and managed to graduate from college. I doubt kids with made up ADD (made up--as you seem to imply by the reference to "a particular doctor) can't at least manage Cs if they had good enough grades to get into some of the most well-known colleges. But keep believing if it makes you feel better.

I believe the op. I think all the coddling and the “we accommodate every weakness in k-12” will come to a head in these next few years. Either that or we will see college change. If college is to change it’s not happening soon enough for a lot of kids who were used to having their hand held and being treated special because of a diagnosed learning disability—the kids who would not have made it to college a few years ago when high school was a true test of college readiness.

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Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

So a bunch of UMC/wealthy kids with highly educated parents all dropped out and are working or in community college because they couldn't handle not having extra time? Twenty of them all from the same high school? If you get an A with extra time, you're not going to fail without extra time. You'll end up with a lower grade. If these kids are from UMC/wealthy families, their parents will pay for tutors/time management coaches to help them stay on top of their assignments. My friend's DD had major issues and managed to graduate from college. I doubt kids with made up ADD (made up--as you seem to imply by the reference to "a particular doctor) can't at least manage Cs if they had good enough grades to get into some of the most well-known colleges. But keep believing if it makes you feel better.

I believe the op. I think all the coddling and the “we accommodate every weakness in k-12” will come to a head in these next few years. Either that or we will see college change. If college is to change it’s not happening soon enough for a lot of kids who were used to having their hand held and being treated special because of a diagnosed learning disability—the kids who would not have made it to college a few years ago when high school was a true test of college readiness.

You believe that 20 UMC/wealthy kids from the same high school all dropped out the first year and are working or in community college because they didn't get extra time? These parents paid for testing for high school and didn't get tutors and coaches to help their kids through the first year of college? Ok.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

So a bunch of UMC/wealthy kids with highly educated parents all dropped out and are working or in community college because they couldn't handle not having extra time? Twenty of them all from the same high school? If you get an A with extra time, you're not going to fail without extra time. You'll end up with a lower grade. If these kids are from UMC/wealthy families, their parents will pay for tutors/time management coaches to help them stay on top of their assignments. My friend's DD had major issues and managed to graduate from college. I doubt kids with made up ADD (made up--as you seem to imply by the reference to "a particular doctor) can't at least manage Cs if they had good enough grades to get into some of the most well-known colleges. But keep believing if it makes you feel better.

I believe the op. I think all the coddling and the “we accommodate every weakness in k-12” will come to a head in these next few years. Either that or we will see college change. If college is to change it’s not happening soon enough for a lot of kids who were used to having their hand held and being treated special because of a diagnosed learning disability—the kids who would not have made it to college a few years ago when high school was a true test of college readiness.

I teach at a large University. I deal with many students with accommodations. Most of them do fine. Only about 20% of them end up failing out. OPs high school must have had a large statistical fluctuation, if it had 20 students with accommodations, and all 20 failed out. Typically (at least at my large state school), only 4 would.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

So a bunch of UMC/wealthy kids with highly educated parents all dropped out and are working or in community college because they couldn't handle not having extra time? Twenty of them all from the same high school? If you get an A with extra time, you're not going to fail without extra time. You'll end up with a lower grade. If these kids are from UMC/wealthy families, their parents will pay for tutors/time management coaches to help them stay on top of their assignments. My friend's DD had major issues and managed to graduate from college. I doubt kids with made up ADD (made up--as you seem to imply by the reference to "a particular doctor) can't at least manage Cs if they had good enough grades to get into some of the most well-known colleges. But keep believing if it makes you feel better.

I believe the op. I think all the coddling and the “we accommodate every weakness in k-12” will come to a head in these next few years. Either that or we will see college change. If college is to change it’s not happening soon enough for a lot of kids who were used to having their hand held and being treated special because of a diagnosed learning disability—the kids who would not have made it to college a few years ago when high school was a true test of college readiness.

You can get accommodations in college http://www.going-to-college.org/campuslife/accommodations.html

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Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

So a bunch of UMC/wealthy kids with highly educated parents all dropped out and are working or in community college because they couldn't handle not having extra time? Twenty of them all from the same high school? If you get an A with extra time, you're not going to fail without extra time. You'll end up with a lower grade. If these kids are from UMC/wealthy families, their parents will pay for tutors/time management coaches to help them stay on top of their assignments. My friend's DD had major issues and managed to graduate from college. I doubt kids with made up ADD (made up--as you seem to imply by the reference to "a particular doctor) can't at least manage Cs if they had good enough grades to get into some of the most well-known colleges. But keep believing if it makes you feel better.

I believe the op. I think all the coddling and the “we accommodate every weakness in k-12” will come to a head in these next few years. Either that or we will see college change. If college is to change it’s not happening soon enough for a lot of kids who were used to having their hand held and being treated special because of a diagnosed learning disability—the kids who would not have made it to college a few years ago when high school was a true test of college readiness.

You believe that 20 UMC/wealthy kids from the same high school all dropped out the first year and are working or in community college because they didn't get extra time? These parents paid for testing for high school and didn't get tutors and coaches to help their kids through the first year of college? Ok.

Yeah. I do. It sounds like they were the Gifted/2e kids who were propped up by accommodations and then when they got to college they fell apart without the supports. Parents probably did get tutors and coaches but they were likely behind the curve. And kids don’t drop out after one year because of bad grades. I think the kids who do have just come to the realization that “whoa, this isn’t for me. I cannot hack this.” It’s just too much. It’s a shock. The pp said these were the top schools.

Unfortunately they were not the right fit for these students if pp is to be believed.

And I know colleges provide accommodations but they are not nearly doing the things these UMC high schools are doing.

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Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

So a bunch of UMC/wealthy kids with highly educated parents all dropped out and are working or in community college because they couldn't handle not having extra time? Twenty of them all from the same high school? If you get an A with extra time, you're not going to fail without extra time. You'll end up with a lower grade. If these kids are from UMC/wealthy families, their parents will pay for tutors/time management coaches to help them stay on top of their assignments. My friend's DD had major issues and managed to graduate from college. I doubt kids with made up ADD (made up--as you seem to imply by the reference to "a particular doctor) can't at least manage Cs if they had good enough grades to get into some of the most well-known colleges. But keep believing if it makes you feel better.

I believe the op. I think all the coddling and the “we accommodate every weakness in k-12” will come to a head in these next few years. Either that or we will see college change. If college is to change it’s not happening soon enough for a lot of kids who were used to having their hand held and being treated special because of a diagnosed learning disability—the kids who would not have made it to college a few years ago when high school was a true test of college readiness.

You believe that 20 UMC/wealthy kids from the same high school all dropped out the first year and are working or in community college because they didn't get extra time? These parents paid for testing for high school and didn't get tutors and coaches to help their kids through the first year of college? Ok.

Yeah. I do. It sounds like they were the Gifted/2e kids who were propped up by accommodations and then when they got to college they fell apart without the supports. Parents probably did get tutors and coaches but they were likely behind the curve. And kids don’t drop out after one year because of bad grades. I think the kids who do have just come to the realization that “whoa, this isn’t for me. I cannot hack this.” It’s just too much. It’s a shock. The pp said these were the top schools.

Unfortunately they were not the right fit for these students if pp is to be believed.

And I know colleges provide accommodations but they are not nearly doing the things these UMC high schools are doing.

You sound unhinges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

Completely unbelievable story. Either your kid is wrong or you are making it up. Top colleges are hard to get into, but also hard to fail out of. I doubt that "at least 20 people" had to drop out their very first year, let alone that all the dropouts got accommodations in high school - especially, since you don't even seem to believe they even had LDs. Lastly, high school accommodations are typically honored in college also.

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Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

So a bunch of UMC/wealthy kids with highly educated parents all dropped out and are working or in community college because they couldn't handle not having extra time? Twenty of them all from the same high school? If you get an A with extra time, you're not going to fail without extra time. You'll end up with a lower grade. If these kids are from UMC/wealthy families, their parents will pay for tutors/time management coaches to help them stay on top of their assignments. My friend's DD had major issues and managed to graduate from college. I doubt kids with made up ADD (made up--as you seem to imply by the reference to "a particular doctor) can't at least manage Cs if they had good enough grades to get into some of the most well-known colleges. But keep believing if it makes you feel better.

I believe the op. I think all the coddling and the “we accommodate every weakness in k-12” will come to a head in these next few years. Either that or we will see college change. If college is to change it’s not happening soon enough for a lot of kids who were used to having their hand held and being treated special because of a diagnosed learning disability—the kids who would not have made it to college a few years ago when high school was a true test of college readiness.

You believe that 20 UMC/wealthy kids from the same high school all dropped out the first year and are working or in community college because they didn't get extra time? These parents paid for testing for high school and didn't get tutors and coaches to help their kids through the first year of college? Ok.

Yeah. I do. It sounds like they were the Gifted/2e kids who were propped up by accommodations and then when they got to college they fell apart without the supports. Parents probably did get tutors and coaches but they were likely behind the curve. And kids don’t drop out after one year because of bad grades. I think the kids who do have just come to the realization that “whoa, this isn’t for me. I cannot hack this.” It’s just too much. It’s a shock. The pp said these were the top schools.

Unfortunately they were not the right fit for these students if pp is to be believed.

And I know colleges provide accommodations but they are not nearly doing the things these UMC high schools are doing.

You sound unhinges.

For crying out loud. Because I believe a lady’s story? I’ve got a kid who gets accommodations. I know how it works. Letting an LD child get in over their head does no one any favors.

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Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

So a bunch of UMC/wealthy kids with highly educated parents all dropped out and are working or in community college because they couldn't handle not having extra time? Twenty of them all from the same high school? If you get an A with extra time, you're not going to fail without extra time. You'll end up with a lower grade. If these kids are from UMC/wealthy families, their parents will pay for tutors/time management coaches to help them stay on top of their assignments. My friend's DD had major issues and managed to graduate from college. I doubt kids with made up ADD (made up--as you seem to imply by the reference to "a particular doctor) can't at least manage Cs if they had good enough grades to get into some of the most well-known colleges. But keep believing if it makes you feel better.

I believe the op. I think all the coddling and the “we accommodate every weakness in k-12” will come to a head in these next few years. Either that or we will see college change. If college is to change it’s not happening soon enough for a lot of kids who were used to having their hand held and being treated special because of a diagnosed learning disability—the kids who would not have made it to college a few years ago when high school was a true test of college readiness.

You believe that 20 UMC/wealthy kids from the same high school all dropped out the first year and are working or in community college because they didn't get extra time? These parents paid for testing for high school and didn't get tutors and coaches to help their kids through the first year of college? Ok.

Yeah. I do. It sounds like they were the Gifted/2e kids who were propped up by accommodations and then when they got to college they fell apart without the supports. Parents probably did get tutors and coaches but they were likely behind the curve. And kids don’t drop out after one year because of bad grades. I think the kids who do have just come to the realization that “whoa, this isn’t for me. I cannot hack this.” It’s just too much. It’s a shock. The pp said these were the top schools.

Unfortunately they were not the right fit for these students if pp is to be believed.

And I know colleges provide accommodations but they are not nearly doing the things these UMC high schools are doing.

My totally average legacy DH and his friends of similar ilk got through their Ivy just fine. If you think what the OP is saying makes sense, especially statistically, then you really have no clue how accommodations work, and you don't know how UMC/wealthy parents work regarding hiring as much help as possible to ensure their kids' success.

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Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

So a bunch of UMC/wealthy kids with highly educated parents all dropped out and are working or in community college because they couldn't handle not having extra time? Twenty of them all from the same high school? If you get an A with extra time, you're not going to fail without extra time. You'll end up with a lower grade. If these kids are from UMC/wealthy families, their parents will pay for tutors/time management coaches to help them stay on top of their assignments. My friend's DD had major issues and managed to graduate from college. I doubt kids with made up ADD (made up--as you seem to imply by the reference to "a particular doctor) can't at least manage Cs if they had good enough grades to get into some of the most well-known colleges. But keep believing if it makes you feel better.

I believe the op. I think all the coddling and the “we accommodate every weakness in k-12” will come to a head in these next few years. Either that or we will see college change. If college is to change it’s not happening soon enough for a lot of kids who were used to having their hand held and being treated special because of a diagnosed learning disability—the kids who would not have made it to college a few years ago when high school was a true test of college readiness.

You believe that 20 UMC/wealthy kids from the same high school all dropped out the first year and are working or in community college because they didn't get extra time? These parents paid for testing for high school and didn't get tutors and coaches to help their kids through the first year of college? Ok.

Yeah. I do. It sounds like they were the Gifted/2e kids who were propped up by accommodations and then when they got to college they fell apart without the supports. Parents probably did get tutors and coaches but they were likely behind the curve. And kids don’t drop out after one year because of bad grades. I think the kids who do have just come to the realization that “whoa, this isn’t for me. I cannot hack this.” It’s just too much. It’s a shock. The pp said these were the top schools.

Unfortunately they were not the right fit for these students if pp is to be believed.

And I know colleges provide accommodations but they are not nearly doing the things these UMC high schools are doing.

You sound unhinges.

For crying out loud. Because I believe a lady’s story? I’ve got a kid who gets accommodations. I know how it works. Letting an LD child get in over their head does no one any favors.

Not the person who called you unhinged--that was over the top. However, if these kids did well enough in high school to get into good colleges and likely still were receiving accommodations in college, why would all of them suddenly implode? Especially as OP made it a point to say they had parents with means? OP also implied the ADD diagnosis was fake. You say you have a kid with accommodations for an LD. Maybe your experience with your child's LD is clouding your judgment as to whether other kids with accommodations can be successful in college.

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Accommodations are a joke. 30 year ago there were no kids diagnosed with adhd and everybody did just fine. But now mommy wants her kid to get into a prestigious school that isn’t a good fit but will let her boast to her friends and accommodations are sprouting like mushrooms. And I’d guess the vast majority of accommodations are fake anyway....utter nonsense.