The very definition of "standardized" means same test/same testing conditions

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Anonymous wrote:LOL, you people are so angry...it is comical. So glad my ADHD kid got his deserved extra time that he needed and scored well on the ACT and got into his first choice top 20 school. As for what is done to curb the abuse, I doubt it will change much. Maybe be more careful about who gets accommodations. If you have a kid who struggled since elementary school, it is doubtful that kid is "gaming the system." I believe it is more suspect when kids suddenly in late middle school or in high school decide to get evaluated. Maybe just have more stringent requirements for evaluation for them.

But you will NEVER see the accommodations go away. Sorry, but you won't win this one...nice try though.

Sure it will. Your kid will have a hard time in a top 20 school bc of his SN.

LOL, I doubt that very much as he got a 36 on the act and had a 4.2 GPA -- extremely gifted. They also have accommodations in the top 20 school. And his processing speed has been improving, so maybe he won't need the accommodations. Nice try again. Jealous your kid only got in his safety I guess

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL, you people are so angry...it is comical. So glad my ADHD kid got his deserved extra time that he needed and scored well on the ACT and got into his first choice top 20 school. As for what is done to curb the abuse, I doubt it will change much. Maybe be more careful about who gets accommodations. If you have a kid who struggled since elementary school, it is doubtful that kid is "gaming the system." I believe it is more suspect when kids suddenly in late middle school or in high school decide to get evaluated. Maybe just have more stringent requirements for evaluation for them.

But you will NEVER see the accommodations go away. Sorry, but you won't win this one...nice try though.

Sure it will. Your kid will have a hard time in a top 20 school bc of his SN.

LOL, I doubt that very much as he got a 36 on the act and had a 4.2 GPA -- extremely gifted. They also have accommodations in the top 20 school. And his processing speed has been improving, so maybe he won't need the accommodations. Nice try again. Jealous your kid only got in his safety I guess

Given sufficient time there are loads of kids that could get a 36 but that’s not really the point, is it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL, you people are so angry...it is comical. So glad my ADHD kid got his deserved extra time that he needed and scored well on the ACT and got into his first choice top 20 school. As for what is done to curb the abuse, I doubt it will change much. Maybe be more careful about who gets accommodations. If you have a kid who struggled since elementary school, it is doubtful that kid is "gaming the system." I believe it is more suspect when kids suddenly in late middle school or in high school decide to get evaluated. Maybe just have more stringent requirements for evaluation for them.

But you will NEVER see the accommodations go away. Sorry, but you won't win this one...nice try though.

Sure it will. Your kid will have a hard time in a top 20 school bc of his SN.

LOL, I doubt that very much as he got a 36 on the act and had a 4.2 GPA -- extremely gifted. They also have accommodations in the top 20 school. And his processing speed has been improving, so maybe he won't need the accommodations. Nice try again. Jealous your kid only got in his safety I guess

Your kid has Special Needs, received an IEP and 504. He would not have scored highly on the standardized tests or in school otherwise. His slow processing speed will be an issue in college and in the workplace. I suppose he can find a job that has accommodations for his SN too.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL, you people are so angry...it is comical. So glad my ADHD kid got his deserved extra time that he needed and scored well on the ACT and got into his first choice top 20 school. As for what is done to curb the abuse, I doubt it will change much. Maybe be more careful about who gets accommodations. If you have a kid who struggled since elementary school, it is doubtful that kid is "gaming the system." I believe it is more suspect when kids suddenly in late middle school or in high school decide to get evaluated. Maybe just have more stringent requirements for evaluation for them.

But you will NEVER see the accommodations go away. Sorry, but you won't win this one...nice try though.

Sure it will. Your kid will have a hard time in a top 20 school bc of his SN.

LOL, I doubt that very much as he got a 36 on the act and had a 4.2 GPA -- extremely gifted. They also have accommodations in the top 20 school. And his processing speed has been improving, so maybe he won't need the accommodations. Nice try again. Jealous your kid only got in his safety I guess

Your kid has Special Needs, received an IEP and 504. He would not have scored highly on the standardized tests or in school otherwise. His slow processing speed will be an issue in college and in the workplace. I suppose he can find a job that has accommodations for his SN too.

LOL, my kid went to private school. He had "accommodations," not a 504 or IEP. He scored a 36 on the ACT with time and a half. He scored a 33 taking the mock test as a sophomore. He is every bright, just slow processing. He will be fine in the workplace because he is gifted in math and will probably go into data science. There is something for everyone out there. Laughable how people think someone with ADHD cannot succeed. My husband has ADHD (not diagnosed until adulthood) and he earns $700K as a consultant. So there you have it. Nice try again though!!

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Anonymous wrote:I want employees who can do the job in the alotted time. I want to know who cant before I hire them.

Then give them a work-specific task to perform within a designated amount of time as part of your hiring process. Problem solved.

This X1000000000. College is not the workplace. College should be designed for everyone who is academically and intellectually capable of contributing positively to the environment. There are very few situations in college that require as much time pressure as the SAT.

[Anonymous]

It’s not a standardized test.

It’s a college admissions test.

Read their mission.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want employees who can do the job in the alotted time. I want to know who cant before I hire them.

Then give them a work-specific task to perform within a designated amount of time as part of your hiring process. Problem solved.

This X1000000000. College is not the workplace. College should be designed for everyone who is academically and intellectually capable of contributing positively to the environment. There are very few situations in college that require as much time pressure as the SAT.

There are very few situations in LIFE that require that time pressure, including the vast majority of jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL, you people are so angry...it is comical. So glad my ADHD kid got his deserved extra time that he needed and scored well on the ACT and got into his first choice top 20 school. As for what is done to curb the abuse, I doubt it will change much. Maybe be more careful about who gets accommodations. If you have a kid who struggled since elementary school, it is doubtful that kid is "gaming the system." I believe it is more suspect when kids suddenly in late middle school or in high school decide to get evaluated. Maybe just have more stringent requirements for evaluation for them.

But you will NEVER see the accommodations go away. Sorry, but you won't win this one...nice try though.

Sure it will. Your kid will have a hard time in a top 20 school bc of his SN.

LOL, I doubt that very much as he got a 36 on the act and had a 4.2 GPA -- extremely gifted. They also have accommodations in the top 20 school. And his processing speed has been improving, so maybe he won't need the accommodations. Nice try again. Jealous your kid only got in his safety I guess

Your kid has Special Needs, received an IEP and 504. He would not have scored highly on the standardized tests or in school otherwise. His slow processing speed will be an issue in college and in the workplace. I suppose he can find a job that has accommodations for his SN too.

LOL, my kid went to private school. He had "accommodations," not a 504 or IEP. He scored a 36 on the ACT with time and a half. He scored a 33 taking the mock test as a sophomore. He is every bright, just slow processing. He will be fine in the workplace because he is gifted in math and will probably go into data science. There is something for everyone out there. Laughable how people think someone with ADHD cannot succeed. My husband has ADHD (not diagnosed until adulthood) and he earns $700K as a consultant. So there you have it. Nice try again though!!

oh, gosh, excuse me. that's totally different story then...

- np

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Anonymous wrote:If your kid has a slow processing speed they deserve a lower score. This charade will end soon. Affluent parents gaming the system so their kid can bump their 1400 to a 1500 is going to end. They have to have a non-timed test, call it something else and offer it as an addition to the traditional ACT or SAT. Call it the NTSAT (non-timed SAT) offer to anyone with a 504 or to any kid who doesn't want to take the SAT with time constraints. Let the colleges then decide then. But the colleges should KNOW who is getting more time on these tests and this seems like the only fair way. NO MORE EXTRA TIME ON SAT OR ACT FOR ANYONE

Oh, I see. You are one of those people whose philosophy in life is “it’s not enough that I succeed, others must fail.” How exactly does another kid improving her score through accommodations affect your own kid’s good score? I understand that some people are gaming the system, but that happens in all walks of life. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be addressed, but it hardly requires banning accommodations for kids who truly deserve them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want employees who can do the job in the alotted time. I want to know who cant before I hire them.

Then give them a work-specific task to perform within a designated amount of time as part of your hiring process. Problem solved.

This X1000000000. College is not the workplace. College should be designed for everyone who is academically and intellectually capable of contributing positively to the environment. There are very few situations in college that require as much time pressure as the SAT.

There are very few situations in LIFE that require that time pressure, including the vast majority of jobs.

Almost every job requires rapid processing speed.......except the law, where one is rewarded for being bright but slow.

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THE POINT IS TO GIVE A CHANCE TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T FIT THE MOLD SO THEY CAN BETTER CONTRIBUTE TO SOCIETY.

You have to do away with the notion that if people can't be productive within restrictive and completely arbitrary conditions, they are essentially a lost cause and do not deserve a chance to show what they can do at the next level. Closing doors at any step in their education (testing and tracking start in elementary school) ensures that a portion of potentially productive people are left out and it increases the risk they will become a burden to society.

Just because someone has ADHD, Asperger's, dyslexia, or whatever else, does not mean they are not intelligent and can't invent or create something wonderful for humanity. These people may not all fit into menial jobs if you prevent them from getting a high school or college diploma.

I feel strongly about this because both my husband and son are GT/LD (gifted, talented and learning disabled). My husband has an MD and a PhD. He was given many second and third chances in his life because people recognized his gifts among his quirkiness. He has done research in cancer and other common and deadly ailments. My son has the same quirks and would not be a good fit to work at McDonald's - he is academic like his father. We are grateful that the system allows for such out-of-the-norm people to still get to where their intellect leads them.

Instead of short-sightedly thinking this hurts neurotypical students' chances, please realize that allowing alternate paths for differently-abled students enables society to benefit from the combined work of a plurality of the population.

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Anonymous wrote:I want employees who can do the job in the alotted time. I want to know who cant before I hire them.

That's funny - I want people who can do it the best as long as it doesn't impact the company negatively. If you do a great job and have to stay till 7 when everyone else leaves at 6 - give me a whole team like that

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL, you people are so angry...it is comical. So glad my ADHD kid got his deserved extra time that he needed and scored well on the ACT and got into his first choice top 20 school. As for what is done to curb the abuse, I doubt it will change much. Maybe be more careful about who gets accommodations. If you have a kid who struggled since elementary school, it is doubtful that kid is "gaming the system." I believe it is more suspect when kids suddenly in late middle school or in high school decide to get evaluated. Maybe just have more stringent requirements for evaluation for them.

But you will NEVER see the accommodations go away. Sorry, but you won't win this one...nice try though.

Sure it will. Your kid will have a hard time in a top 20 school bc of his SN.

LOL, I doubt that very much as he got a 36 on the act and had a 4.2 GPA -- extremely gifted. They also have accommodations in the top 20 school. And his processing speed has been improving, so maybe he won't need the accommodations. Nice try again. Jealous your kid only got in his safety I guess

Your kid has Special Needs, received an IEP and 504. He would not have scored highly on the standardized tests or in school otherwise. His slow processing speed will be an issue in college and in the workplace. I suppose he can find a job that has accommodations for his SN too.

LOL, my kid went to private school. He had "accommodations," not a 504 or IEP. He scored a 36 on the ACT with time and a half. He scored a 33 taking the mock test as a sophomore. He is every bright, just slow processing. He will be fine in the workplace because he is gifted in math and will probably go into data science. There is something for everyone out there. Laughable how people think someone with ADHD cannot succeed. My husband has ADHD (not diagnosed until adulthood) and he earns $700K as a consultant. So there you have it. Nice try again though!!

either your kid is dumb and the accommodations make a difference or he bright and your are taking advantage of the system. you can't have it both ways. given how dumb his mother is i am going with the first scenario.

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Anonymous wrote:either your kid is dumb and the accommodations make a difference or he bright and your are taking advantage of the system. you can't have it both ways. given how dumb his mother is i am going with the first scenario.

This sounds like something a teenager would say, someone so unfamiliar with the topic that they've never heard of 2e.

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Anonymous wrote:either your kid is dumb and the accommodations make a difference or he bright and your are taking advantage of the system. you can't have it both ways. given how dumb his mother is i am going with the first scenario.

This sounds like something a teenager would say, someone so unfamiliar with the topic that they've never heard of 2e.

Not even a teenager. A 6th grader who picks on the nerdier kids in the class.