The very definition of "standardized" means same test/same testing conditions

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Anonymous wrote:Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

And kids that don’t test prep ... a 32 with no prep is way more impressive than a 34 with years of prep.

Bragging about being lazy on a college application isn't a good idea. I'd take the kid who studied and got the 34 over the kid who didn't and got a 32. I'd assume one has work ethic and one doesn't.

Sorry your kid can't learn.in the classroom and needs a private tutor to teach him/her/them. You should disclose to colleges that your child is inept at learning in a traditional way.

You’re not very bright. Who would be stupid enough not to prep for a standardized test? Probably the stupid and lazy. It doesn’t have to take long and it doesn’t have to cost anything with Khan Academy and other free online resources.

Kids who.are actually smart don't prep. It doesn't have to get you pay for a tutor.if Mahn is so good, why did you hire a tutor?

Really smart kids take 1 PSAT and 1 Sat.... They re-read the instruction, nothing more.

These are the kids that impress. Why does you kid need so much prep, that sad.

LOL, the nutcases coming out of the woodwork now.

My kid got extra time and scored a 36. He took a mock test as a sophomore and scored a 33. His second mock test (after a few weeks of prep) he scored a 34. His third mock test (after a few more weeks and now a junior) he scored a 35. His first and only actual test (in his first semester as a junior), he scored a 36. Who knows how he would have done without the prep. I imagine he would not have done as well on the science section, which tends to trick a lot of very smart people.

There's this thing called competition that will be a big part of your kid's life. People and companies engage in it. They do whatever is needed to win. If you work for a company and want to win a contract, you prepare by doing the appropriate research and spend lots of time writing and revising a proposal. This is what preparation is about. It's about winning. If you want to be a loser, then don't prep. It's as simple as that.

I can only imagine the loser that brags about not preparing for an important undertaking. But you’re correct, that’s why there are winners and losers in this world and that’s also why the losers will incessantly complain about the unfairness of it all.

You don’t realize their are kids out there that are naturals. Give me a worker who can walk into any situation unprepared, think on their feet and succeed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

And kids that don’t test prep ... a 32 with no prep is way more impressive than a 34 with years of prep.

Bragging about being lazy on a college application isn't a good idea. I'd take the kid who studied and got the 34 over the kid who didn't and got a 32. I'd assume one has work ethic and one doesn't.

Sorry your kid can't learn.in the classroom and needs a private tutor to teach him/her/them. You should disclose to colleges that your child is inept at learning in a traditional way.

My kid has never had a tutor for anything and did well on the PSAT with no prep. I'm on this forum because college applications are fast approaching. I'm saying this as a potential employer. I would not be impressed by a student bragging about not studying for an important test. My kids will not have private tutors for the SAT, but I will expect them to do a review book. My philosophy in life is you do your best, and work ethic is important. I didn't think my child needed to prep for the PSAT in ninth grade because I also don't buy into the rat race of taking these tests in lowers and lower grades. I know people are sensitive about others spending thousands on prep for their kids, but I don't think prep is bad. I also don't begrudge those who have the resources to get private tutors for their kids. They have decided that spending that money on tutors is a good use of family resources, and I've decided it isn't. My kids' aptitude and our family decisions will impact where they land. If you're worried about your very smart kid being outperformed by over tutored kids, have your kid prep more. A really bright kid doesn't need a private tutor to excel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

And kids that don’t test prep ... a 32 with no prep is way more impressive than a 34 with years of prep.

Bragging about being lazy on a college application isn't a good idea. I'd take the kid who studied and got the 34 over the kid who didn't and got a 32. I'd assume one has work ethic and one doesn't.

Sorry your kid can't learn.in the classroom and needs a private tutor to teach him/her/them. You should disclose to colleges that your child is inept at learning in a traditional way.

My kid has never had a tutor for anything and did well on the PSAT with no prep. I'm on this forum because college applications are fast approaching. I'm saying this as a potential employer. I would not be impressed by a student bragging about not studying for an important test. My kids will not have private tutors for the SAT, but I will expect them to do a review book. My philosophy in life is you do your best, and work ethic is important. I didn't think my child needed to prep for the PSAT in ninth grade because I also don't buy into the rat race of taking these tests in lowers and lower grades. I know people are sensitive about others spending thousands on prep for their kids, but I don't think prep is bad. I also don't begrudge those who have the resources to get private tutors for their kids. They have decided that spending that money on tutors is a good use of family resources, and I've decided it isn't. My kids' aptitude and our family decisions will impact where they land. If you're worried about your very smart kid being outperformed by over tutored kids, have your kid prep more. A really bright kid doesn't need a private tutor to excel.

What you fed to be is becoming familiar with the test, not test prep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

And kids that don’t test prep ... a 32 with no prep is way more impressive than a 34 with years of prep.

Bragging about being lazy on a college application isn't a good idea. I'd take the kid who studied and got the 34 over the kid who didn't and got a 32. I'd assume one has work ethic and one doesn't.

Sorry your kid can't learn.in the classroom and needs a private tutor to teach him/her/them. You should disclose to colleges that your child is inept at learning in a traditional way.

My kid has never had a tutor for anything and did well on the PSAT with no prep. I'm on this forum because college applications are fast approaching. I'm saying this as a potential employer. I would not be impressed by a student bragging about not studying for an important test. My kids will not have private tutors for the SAT, but I will expect them to do a review book. My philosophy in life is you do your best, and work ethic is important. I didn't think my child needed to prep for the PSAT in ninth grade because I also don't buy into the rat race of taking these tests in lowers and lower grades. I know people are sensitive about others spending thousands on prep for their kids, but I don't think prep is bad. I also don't begrudge those who have the resources to get private tutors for their kids. They have decided that spending that money on tutors is a good use of family resources, and I've decided it isn't. My kids' aptitude and our family decisions will impact where they land. If you're worried about your very smart kid being outperformed by over tutored kids, have your kid prep more. A really bright kid doesn't need a private tutor to excel.

What you describe is becoming familiar with the test, that is not test prep.

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Poster 9:33: about prepping

There are nuances to the tests that a tutor can give your kids shortcuts to and explain what the questions are really looking for. One can get the same thing from the prep books also. So basically both are prepping - by going through the prep books or live tutors. Just depend on the learning style of the kid.

If your kid has extended time (and more time than needed for the degree of disability), then prepping is not worth as much especially on the ACT - your kid will have the time to go through the questions and maybe even review. If your kid does not have the extended time, then they do need to know the shortcuts to be able to answer the questions quickly.

[Anonymous]

Who would be stupid enough not to prep for a standardized test? Probably the stupid and lazy. It doesn’t have to take long and it doesn’t have to cost anything with Khan Academy and other free online resources.

My DS didn't want to do test prep. He has ADHD and getting him to do any work that is not actually required is a struggle. He doesn't have accommodations and wouldn't want them. One morning spent taking a test is plenty for him!

I'm not sure that I would call him "stupid" but he is definitely lazy and does not have a competitive bone in his body. He got a 34 on his ACT and I believe that was a perfectly fine score for an A- type student who isn't very academic or focused on top schools. However, he is certainly not "smarter" than someone who has to prep to get a 34. He just has a good recall of HS math and is able to get into a zone on multiple choice tests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

And kids that don’t test prep ... a 32 with no prep is way more impressive than a 34 with years of prep.

Bragging about being lazy on a college application isn't a good idea. I'd take the kid who studied and got the 34 over the kid who didn't and got a 32. I'd assume one has work ethic and one doesn't.

Sorry your kid can't learn.in the classroom and needs a private tutor to teach him/her/them. You should disclose to colleges that your child is inept at learning in a traditional way.

My kid has never had a tutor for anything and did well on the PSAT with no prep. I'm on this forum because college applications are fast approaching. I'm saying this as a potential employer. I would not be impressed by a student bragging about not studying for an important test. My kids will not have private tutors for the SAT, but I will expect them to do a review book. My philosophy in life is you do your best, and work ethic is important. I didn't think my child needed to prep for the PSAT in ninth grade because I also don't buy into the rat race of taking these tests in lowers and lower grades. I know people are sensitive about others spending thousands on prep for their kids, but I don't think prep is bad. I also don't begrudge those who have the resources to get private tutors for their kids. They have decided that spending that money on tutors is a good use of family resources, and I've decided it isn't. My kids' aptitude and our family decisions will impact where they land. If you're worried about your very smart kid being outperformed by over tutored kids, have your kid prep more. A really bright kid doesn't need a private tutor to excel.

What you describe is becoming familiar with the test, that is not test prep.

That’s what test prep is......demystifying the test and getting the student used to sitting through an hours long ordeal. Test prep isn’t going to make your child smarter or give them insider tips.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

And kids that don’t test prep ... a 32 with no prep is way more impressive than a 34 with years of prep.

Bragging about being lazy on a college application isn't a good idea. I'd take the kid who studied and got the 34 over the kid who didn't and got a 32. I'd assume one has work ethic and one doesn't.

Sorry your kid can't learn.in the classroom and needs a private tutor to teach him/her/them. You should disclose to colleges that your child is inept at learning in a traditional way.

You’re not very bright. Who would be stupid enough not to prep for a standardized test? Probably the stupid and lazy. It doesn’t have to take long and it doesn’t have to cost anything with Khan Academy and other free online resources.

Kids who.are actually smart don't prep. It doesn't have to get you pay for a tutor.if Mahn is so good, why did you hire a tutor?

Really smart kids take 1 PSAT and 1 Sat.... They re-read the instruction, nothing more.

These are the kids that impress. Why does you kid need so much prep, that sad.

LOL, the nutcases coming out of the woodwork now.

My kid got extra time and scored a 36. He took a mock test as a sophomore and scored a 33. His second mock test (after a few weeks of prep) he scored a 34. His third mock test (after a few more weeks and now a junior) he scored a 35. His first and only actual test (in his first semester as a junior), he scored a 36. Who knows how he would have done without the prep. I imagine he would not have done as well on the science section, which tends to trick a lot of very smart people.

There's this thing called competition that will be a big part of your kid's life. People and companies engage in it. They do whatever is needed to win. If you work for a company and want to win a contract, you prepare by doing the appropriate research and spend lots of time writing and revising a proposal. This is what preparation is about. It's about winning. If you want to be a loser, then don't prep. It's as simple as that.

I can only imagine the loser that brags about not preparing for an important undertaking. But you’re correct, that’s why there are winners and losers in this world and that’s also why the losers will incessantly complain about the unfairness of it all.

The work hard attitude is do 1980’s.... school wang kids that work smart.

Geez took the test 4 time and peeped each time... what a waste of time. Imagine the good he could have done for others in that time.

The crazies are out again. Go sober up and post in the morning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids with no accommodations should start voluntarily disclosing that.

And kids that don’t test prep ... a 32 with no prep is way more impressive than a 34 with years of prep.

Bragging about being lazy on a college application isn't a good idea. I'd take the kid who studied and got the 34 over the kid who didn't and got a 32. I'd assume one has work ethic and one doesn't.

Sorry your kid can't learn.in the classroom and needs a private tutor to teach him/her/them. You should disclose to colleges that your child is inept at learning in a traditional way.

You’re not very bright. Who would be stupid enough not to prep for a standardized test? Probably the stupid and lazy. It doesn’t have to take long and it doesn’t have to cost anything with Khan Academy and other free online resources.

Kids who.are actually smart don't prep. It doesn't have to get you pay for a tutor.if Mahn is so good, why did you hire a tutor?

Really smart kids take 1 PSAT and 1 Sat.... They re-read the instruction, nothing more.

These are the kids that impress. Why does you kid need so much prep, that sad.

LOL, the nutcases coming out of the woodwork now.

My kid got extra time and scored a 36. He took a mock test as a sophomore and scored a 33. His second mock test (after a few weeks of prep) he scored a 34. His third mock test (after a few more weeks and now a junior) he scored a 35. His first and only actual test (in his first semester as a junior), he scored a 36. Who knows how he would have done without the prep. I imagine he would not have done as well on the science section, which tends to trick a lot of very smart people.

There's this thing called competition that will be a big part of your kid's life. People and companies engage in it. They do whatever is needed to win. If you work for a company and want to win a contract, you prepare by doing the appropriate research and spend lots of time writing and revising a proposal. This is what preparation is about. It's about winning. If you want to be a loser, then don't prep. It's as simple as that.

I can only imagine the loser that brags about not preparing for an important undertaking. But you’re correct, that’s why there are winners and losers in this world and that’s also why the losers will incessantly complain about the unfairness of it all.

Exactly...people bragging about not prepping and then complaining about those who do and then outscore their kids. LOL. So American. The Asians are going to take over. They are the ones who have the right attitude. We should follow their example...or lose.

[Anonymous]

My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

[Anonymous]

I thought most colleges honor high school accommodations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

Not sure what you think you won. Nice that you enjoy seeing others fail. Signed, a mom of a kid with ADHD, extra time, 36 ACT, heading to a top 20. I imagine you would joyfully relish his failure if that were to happen (which is unlikely, LOL).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

Ha! I love this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories.

What school is this? My DS is a freshman in college, and only one student from his private had to drop out, and that was due to mental health issues, not "not being able to hack it". I have a hard time imagining a school where 20 students had to drop out (and that is just the accommodations ones... there must have been even more that dropped out due o mental health and financial problems) even for a very large HS. What, were there 10000 kids in his class?