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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]My son and his friends (incoming college sophomores) all just got home from college for the summer. This is the kid who complained for years about us not sending him to a particular DR to get diagnosed with ADD since “just about all of his friends” were diagnosed with this (and “he has it much worse”) and his friends got unlimited test taking time.

Interestingly, the kids shared that all their friends (except for one kid) who had special accommodations in high school (always an IEP for ADD), have dropped out of college during/after freshman year. They said their friends could not hack it because they were not given the same accommodations in college.

The kids dropped out of some of the most well-known/expensive colleges across the US... He thinks there are at least 20 of these kids from his large HS who dropped out. According to him, the only “special accommodation” kid who could handle it is at a small, private college. The rest are either now working or attending community college. I thought this was interesting and I thought of this thread... BTW all these “special accommodation” kids are from upper middle class/wealthy families with highly educated parents.

I pressed him to admit that maybe his parents were actually right in making him complete HS and earn his college spot the traditional way (with fixed test-time limits and non-negotiable homework deadlines) and he ever so slightly nodded his head in agreement.... small victories. :D[/quote]

So a bunch of UMC/wealthy kids with highly educated parents all dropped out and are working or in community college because they couldn't handle not having extra time?  Twenty of them all from the same high school?  If you get an A with extra time, you're not going to fail without extra time.  You'll end up with a lower grade.  If these kids are from UMC/wealthy families, their parents will pay for tutors/time management coaches to help them stay on top of their assignments.  My friend's DD had major issues and managed to graduate from college.  I doubt kids with made up ADD (made up--as you seem to imply by the reference to "a particular doctor) can't at least manage Cs if they had good enough grades to get into some of the most well-known colleges.  But keep believing if it makes you feel better.  [/quote]

I believe the op. I think all the coddling and the “we accommodate every weakness in k-12” will come to a head in these next few years. Either that or we will see college change. If college is to change it’s not happening soon enough for a lot of kids who were used to having their hand held and being treated special because of a diagnosed learning disability—the kids who would not have made it to college a few years ago when high school was a true test of college readiness. [/quote]

You believe that 20 UMC/wealthy kids from the same high school all dropped out the first year and are working or in community college because they didn't get extra time?  These parents paid for testing for high school and didn't get tutors and coaches to help their kids through the first year of college?  Ok. [/quote]

Yeah. I do. It sounds like they were the Gifted/2e kids who were propped up by accommodations and then when they got to college they fell apart without the supports. Parents probably did get tutors and coaches but they were likely behind the curve. And kids don’t drop out after one year because of bad grades. I think the kids who do have just come to the realization that “whoa, this isn’t for me. I cannot hack this.”  It’s just too much. It’s a shock. The pp said these were the top schools.

Unfortunately they were not the right fit for these students if pp is to be believed.

And I know colleges provide accommodations but they are not nearly doing the things these UMC high schools are doing. [/quote]

You sound unhinges.[/quote]

For crying out loud. Because I believe a lady’s story? I’ve got a kid who gets accommodations. I know how it works. Letting an LD child get in over their head does no one any favors. [/quote]

Not the person who called you unhinged--that was over the top.  However, if these kids did well enough in high school to get into good colleges and likely still were receiving accommodations in college, why would all of them suddenly implode?  Especially as OP made it a point to say they had parents with means?  OP also implied the ADD diagnosis was fake.  You say you have a kid with accommodations for an LD.  Maybe your experience with your child's LD is clouding your judgment as to whether other kids with accommodations can be successful in college. [/quote]

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