Fire in upper NW?

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Anonymous wrote:There's a level of closeness after being with the same family so long. Murdering them and their child out of spite is a ridiculous theory. She watched all of their children grow up.

I don't agree with the housekeeper theory.

I also do not agree that all housekeepers are devoted to their employer. You can be extremely generous and kind to certain kinds of employees, and still get nothing but disdain for the rich in return. I'ce seen it. It's as ugly and obvious as you think.

Me either. Growing up we had a nanny and housekeeper who had been with us for 12 and 14 years respectively. They were like family.. My parents completely trusted them. My dad would give the housekeeper money etc to put in the safe. He was trusted with the combination. They both conspired to rob us and they disappeared. My dad was devasted more by the betrayal than by what was stolen.
Ever since my mum has had an unhealthy mistrust of what she calls "servants" ( I know, makes me cringe too). She always warns me to never trust them.

...and why would you ever trust a servant after that experience???

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Anonymous wrote:I remember that they had big dogs. Big, beautiful dogs that would have probably attacked any intruders. I've been wondering, did they die too?

So sad and disturbing. All of this.

An animal control van was there when I drove by on my way home from work.

I saw a news clip where the dogs were being led out of the house and it said they were placed with with an unnamed friend.

What kind of dogs? How did the perpetrators avoid them? My dogs would have gone batshit.

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How could the dogs survive the smoke?

Father's recent acceptance of new job in PR is significant methinks.

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I also don't get it that the dogs weren't going berserk. Mine lose it over a delivery truck driving by.

They recently lived in the Caribbean for a year. Why? Seems unusual for a family with kids to just take off and live in a foreign country for a year. What about school? Yes, I understand they could afford tutors. But that still seems odd.

The twitter link above said a law enforcement official said that the fire started in the boy's room. Chilling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How could the dogs survive the smoke?

Father's recent acceptance of new job in PR is significant methinks.

supposedly the dogs were in the yard

[Anonymous]

No forced entry....has to be someone they knew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a level of closeness after being with the same family so long. Murdering them and their child out of spite is a ridiculous theory. She watched all of their children grow up.

I don't agree with the housekeeper theory.

I also do not agree that all housekeepers are devoted to their employer. You can be extremely generous and kind to certain kinds of employees, and still get nothing but disdain for the rich in return. I'ce seen it. It's as ugly and obvious as you think.

Me either. Growing up we had a nanny and housekeeper who had been with us for 12 and 14 years respectively. They were like family.. My parents completely trusted them. My dad would give the housekeeper money etc to put in the safe. He was trusted with the combination. They both conspired to rob us and they disappeared. My dad was devasted more by the betrayal than by what was stolen.
Ever since my mum has had an unhealthy mistrust of what she calls "servants" ( I know, makes me cringe too). She always warns me to never trust them.

...and why would you ever trust a servant after that experience???

I think a lot of non-Americans come to this country, thinking the roads are paved with gold, and that things are handed to people - if you know the secret handshake, or something arbitrary. When people who think that way don't make tons of money overnight, and don't know how much work, blood, sweat, tears and time it really takes, and reality hits them, they get resentful quick.

It is a really tense situation if they come into your house every day, and you can cut the tension with a knife. It becomes "us vs. them", in their mind. I could see a united effort as PP described coming to fruition as soon as an opportunity presents itself. I think it happens in subtle ways, more often than people realize. But if you speak the language, and know their disposition, the resentment is crystal clear. You generally don't acquire wealth, achievements and successes by being a complete dumbass; but in some people's minds, it is easier to think that - and the resentment builds.

People who are resentful become their own worst enemy, but in reality, they are the ones who are too stupid to realize. It happens in the good old U.S. of A., within all cultures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also don't get it that the dogs weren't going berserk. Mine lose it over a delivery truck driving by.

They recently lived in the Caribbean for a year. Why? Seems unusual for a family with kids to just take off and live in a foreign country for a year. What about school? Yes, I understand they could afford tutors. But that still seems odd.

The twitter link above said a law enforcement official said that the fire started in the boy's room. Chilling.

+1

It had to be someone the dogs knew, if this is true.

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Anonymous wrote:No forced entry....has to be someone they knew.

Cite, please?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No forced entry....has to be someone they knew.

Cite, please?

Not the pp but : http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dc-police-found-dead-fire-homicide-victims-31077826 or http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/probe-continues-into-mysterious-deaths-of-four-in-burning-dc-home/2015/05/15/8936d0aa-fb24-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a level of closeness after being with the same family so long. Murdering them and their child out of spite is a ridiculous theory. She watched all of their children grow up.

I don't agree with the housekeeper theory.

I also do not agree that all housekeepers are devoted to their employer. You can be extremely generous and kind to certain kinds of employees, and still get nothing but disdain for the rich in return. I'ce seen it. It's as ugly and obvious as you think.

Me either. Growing up we had a nanny and housekeeper who had been with us for 12 and 14 years respectively. They were like family.. My parents completely trusted them. My dad would give the housekeeper money etc to put in the safe. He was trusted with the combination. They both conspired to rob us and they disappeared. My dad was devasted more by the betrayal than by what was stolen.
Ever since my mum has had an unhealthy mistrust of what she calls "servants" ( I know, makes me cringe too). She always warns me to never trust them.

...and why would you ever trust a servant after that experience???

I think a lot of non-Americans come to this country, thinking the roads are paved with gold, and that things are handed to people - if you know the secret handshake, or something arbitrary. When people who think that way don't make tons of money overnight, and don't know how much work, blood, sweat, tears and time it really takes, and reality hits them, they get resentful quick.

It is a really tense situation if they come into your house every day, and you can cut the tension with a knife. It becomes "us vs. them", in their mind. I could see a united effort as PP described coming to fruition as soon as an opportunity presents itself. I think it happens in subtle ways, more often than people realize. But if you speak the language, and know their disposition, the resentment is crystal clear. You generally don't acquire wealth, achievements and successes by being a complete dumbass; but in some people's minds, it is easier to think that - and the resentment builds.

People who are resentful become their own worst enemy, but in reality, they are the ones who are too stupid to realize. It happens in the good old U.S. of A., within all cultures.

I don't think this is it at all.

There are too many unanswered questions about the husband and his business dealings. That has to be the first level of assumption.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The adults were the ones slain. I believe the boy was tied up and died from smoke inhalation.

Where are you getting this information? My child knew the child and is already reeling from the whole thing. If it's true the child was tied up, I need to be prepared to help my child process yet another horrible detail. Are you just speculating or do you know this?

I would recommend trying to spare your child the details. Why not just explain that the boy died in a fire, which is an extremely unusual accident? Are the other kids who knew the poor boy aware of the details?

[Anonymous]

The Post just posted this article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/housekeeper-of-dc-couple-found-dead-wondered-if-something-was-amiss/2015/05/16/08140154-fbf7-11e4-9030-b4732caefe81_story.html?hpid=z2

I thought there were some interesting updates including a vm to the 2nd housekeeper Wednesday night

and
The police documents also show what appears to be an unusual amount of activity last week around the victims’ Woodland Drive home, in an upscale neighborhood near the vice president’s mansion. Neighbors reported seeing a man banging on door of one home, an aggressive vacuum cleaner salesman at another house, reports of a prowler, and what a witness believed could have been the Savopouloses’ blue Porsche speeding down the street the day before the deaths were discovered.

[Anonymous]

The voicemail is significant - especially since the 2nd housekeeper said that the first housekeeper "never" stayed over. Perhaps they were being held already.

Also, 1st housekeeper's husband went to the house Thursday to check on her, and there was no answer.