Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The adults were the ones slain. I believe the boy was tied up and died from smoke inhalation.

Where are you getting this information? My child knew the child and is already reeling from the whole thing. If it's true the child was tied up, I need to be prepared to help my child process yet another horrible detail. Are you just speculating or do you know this?

Not pp, but it was either shared at yesterday's press conference or published by a credible source. The police chief did release a few more details -- blunt force to all and sharp wounds. (Although I think only three had sharp wounds.)

I'm speculating about the sons death, but the other facts came from the Chief of Police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The adults were the ones slain. I believe the boy was tied up and died from smoke inhalation.

Where are you getting this information? My child knew the child and is already reeling from the whole thing. If it's true the child was tied up, I need to be prepared to help my child process yet another horrible detail. Are you just speculating or do you know this?

Not pp, but it was either shared at yesterday's press conference or published by a credible source. The police chief did release a few more details -- blunt force to all and sharp wounds. (Although I think only three had sharp wounds.)

I'm speculating about the sons death, but the other facts came from the Chief of Police.

13:00 here. Thank you for clarifying. We already know what the police chief has shared, but hadn't heard the part you were speculating about and that's a detail that would be very hard to bear, if true.

[Anonymous]

From wusa 9 reporter: https://twitter.com/bruceleshan/status/599262661189177344

[Anonymous]

There are several possibilities:

(1) A semi-planned crime committed by perpetrators intending only to commit a property crime, who had likely cased the neighborhood and house previously, and maybe did not expect there to be anyone, much less four people in the home that day.

The perpetrators could be persons completely unrelated to the family, or else someone casually known to them, who had knowledge of what valuables the family possessed, by virtue of having done work in the house or having performed other services related to said valuables.

In this scenario the planned theft went terribly awry based on the presence of so many people in the house that day, and or the absolute evil of the perpetrators who thought nothing of killing anyone they might run into;

(2) A crime of opportunity committed by perpetrators intending only to commit a property crime, who had perhaps casually canvassed the neighborhood that day, and found an unlocked door or open window.

Again, these perpetrators did not expect there to be four people in the house on a mid-morning weekday, and the planned theft went terribly wrong;

(3) A crime of passion committed by someone close to the family, either a friend, a family member, or an employee or business associate.

In this case, something triggers a terrible argument and subsequent escalation of events. Though the perpetrators initially did not intend to commit any crime at all, their anger and violent response leads to a series of unplanned events which end in this tragedy;

(4) A planned scheme of kidnap and ransom, in which the perpetrators intended to hold one, or at most two people, for a short time and force them to withdraw funds from a bank, and otherwise turn over their valuables. The circumstances of so many people in the house that day complicated their plan, and they crossed a point of no return;

(5) A retaliatory execution, or just plain murder for financial reasons, committed by a friend, a family member, or an employee or business associate.

The male victim appears to have had his hand in many pots, including a construction business, legal work, investment business, and trade (according to all of the speculation here). Additionally the family spent a year in the Caribbean recently (again, according to speculation), for what purpose (residency, taxes, protected offshore assets, relaxation?).

I grew up in 1980s Chicago in an Italian neighborhood, with many well-off, private-school friends whose parents owned restaurants, or a trucking company, or a shipping outfit, or an import-export business. Don't ask, don't tell. Sometimes when you dance around several businesses, you wind up tripping up the wrong people.

In this case, the perpetrators intended to seriously harm or kill one or two people, but probably not all of them, that was just terrible luck of circumstances for the victims.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the housekeeper that wasn't there has something to do. maybe indirectly but she is involved.

Yeah, she's involved in that she was also killed.

Why is most of the empathy in this thread expressed towards the wealthy, and most of the suspicion toward the employee? I bet she just had the bad luck to be there when the attackers came.

No, read what the PP said. They think the housekeeper that WASN'T there was involved. The one that received the ominous text message. There were two housekeepers. One was among the murdered.

I agree that the other housekeeper should be investigated. Maybe she was jealous of the other housekeeper - the one that spent the night in the house.

Absolutely. The only thing keeping loyal domestic employees from green lighting
A professional style hit on an entire family is her place as #1 maid. .. Sarcasm
aside, you think a maid who feels she is second fiddle would have her long time
Employer and family murdered because of her ego? A maid is the last person who
would base her worth on her occupation. What does this jealousy stem from? This
is a condescending and silly theory.

Have you forgotten what happened to the Krims?

There is a huge difference between a psychotic Nanny who hears voices commiting
murder spontaneously and this well planned incident. This wasn't done in the heat of
the moment. And that maid is being investigated I'm sure but isn't some godfather
Moonlighting as a part time maid. The people responsible were professionals. Not vengeful maids with an ax to grind.

not important to this thread, but the Krims' nanny is only pretending to be psychotic.

[Anonymous]

Why no one heard the dogs bark?

[Anonymous]

I tend to think that wasn't a random burglary.This isn't Cheshire, Connecticut, there's a camera on every street corner near Biden's residence.
I'd say someone targeted that family, and it was personal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the housekeeper that wasn't there has something to do. maybe indirectly but she is involved.

Yeah, she's involved in that she was also killed.

Why is most of the empathy in this thread expressed towards the wealthy, and most of the suspicion toward the employee? I bet she just had the bad luck to be there when the attackers came.

No, read what the PP said. They think the housekeeper that WASN'T there was involved. The one that received the ominous text message. There were two housekeepers. One was among the murdered.

I agree that the other housekeeper should be investigated. Maybe she was jealous of the other housekeeper - the one that spent the night in the house.

Absolutely. The only thing keeping loyal domestic employees from green lighting
A professional style hit on an entire family is her place as #1 maid. .. Sarcasm
aside, you think a maid who feels she is second fiddle would have her long time
Employer and family murdered because of her ego? A maid is the last person who
would base her worth on her occupation. What does this jealousy stem from? This
is a condescending and silly theory.

Have you forgotten what happened to the Krims?

There is a huge difference between a psychotic Nanny who hears voices commiting
murder spontaneously and this well planned incident. This wasn't done in the heat of
the moment. And that maid is being investigated I'm sure but isn't some godfather
Moonlighting as a part time maid. The people responsible were professionals. Not vengeful maids with an ax to grind.

not important to this thread, but the Krims' nanny is only pretending to be psychotic.

+1

The Krims' nanny only pretends to "not understand". There are very defiant, criminal people out there of all shades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's a level of closeness after being with the same family so long. Murdering them and their child out of spite is a ridiculous theory. She watched all of their children grow up.

I don't agree with the housekeeper theory.

I also do not agree that all housekeepers are devoted to their employer. You can be extremely generous and kind to certain kinds of employees, and still get nothing but disdain for the rich in return. I'ce seen it. It's as ugly and obvious as you think.

[Anonymous]

how would they know that money is missing from the house?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:how would they know that money is missing from the house?

Twitter feed for a journalist posted above

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the housekeeper that wasn't there has something to do. maybe indirectly but she is involved.

Yeah, she's involved in that she was also killed.

Why is most of the empathy in this thread expressed towards the wealthy, and most of the suspicion toward the employee? I bet she just had the bad luck to be there when the attackers came.

No, read what the PP said. They think the housekeeper that WASN'T there was involved. The one that received the ominous text message. There were two housekeepers. One was among the murdered.

I agree that the other housekeeper should be investigated. Maybe she was jealous of the other housekeeper - the one that spent the night in the house.

Absolutely. The only thing keeping loyal domestic employees from green lighting
A professional style hit on an entire family is her place as #1 maid. .. Sarcasm
aside, you think a maid who feels she is second fiddle would have her long time
Employer and family murdered because of her ego? A maid is the last person who
would base her worth on her occupation. What does this jealousy stem from? This
is a condescending and silly theory.

Have you forgotten what happened to the Krims?

There is a huge difference between a psychotic Nanny who hears voices commiting
murder spontaneously and this well planned incident. This wasn't done in the heat of
the moment. And that maid is being investigated I'm sure but isn't some godfather
Moonlighting as a part time maid. The people responsible were professionals. Not vengeful maids with an ax to grind.

not important to this thread, but the Krims' nanny is only pretending to be psychotic.

You're kidding right? I guess her neighbors are playing along?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/26/killer-nanny-case-what-the-krims-didn-t-know-about-yoselyn-ortega.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:how would they know that money is missing from the house?

Maybe an empty safe?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a level of closeness after being with the same family so long. Murdering them and their child out of spite is a ridiculous theory. She watched all of their children grow up.

I don't agree with the housekeeper theory.

I also do not agree that all housekeepers are devoted to their employer. You can be extremely generous and kind to certain kinds of employees, and still get nothing but disdain for the rich in return. I'ce seen it. It's as ugly and obvious as you think.

Me either. Growing up we had a nanny and housekeeper who had been with us for 12 and 14 years respectively. They were like family.. My parents completely trusted them. My dad would give the housekeeper money etc to put in the safe. He was trusted with the combination. They both conspired to rob us and they disappeared. My dad was devasted more by the betrayal than by what was stolen.
Ever since my mum has had an unhealthy mistrust of what she calls "servants" ( I know, makes me cringe too). She always warns me to never trust them.

[Anonymous]

I think it's odd that house didn't have security cameras.