Planet Fitness Drops Member After Gender Identity Complaint

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering how many of you walk around truly believing you will be attacked in your gym locker room. It must be crazy to be that paranoid all the time.

I don't think this will happen in an all female locker room. But introduce a male - yes, I would be nervous. I have large breasts and caught a boy who was probably only 5 or 6 staring at them as I was getting changed. And he proceeded to ask his mom questions about them. It bothered me and I was embarrassed. So was the kid's mom.

So, let's banish transgender people and children from locker rooms! And lets banish moms from locker rooms too. We can't have moms in locker rooms - I don't feel safe with a person who would bring a 5 year old into a locker room. What is WRONG with people!!

[Anonymous]

A link from "lifesitenews"? Really?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering how many of you walk around truly believing you will be attacked in your gym locker room. It must be crazy to be that paranoid all the time.

the only time a person is more vulnerable is when they're asleep. If you're going to protect yourselves a place when you're likely to be naked and vulnerable is a good place to do it. Do you wear a seat belt? Lock your doors? Protect your banking passwords? Make your kids wear a bike helmet and appropriate car seats? If not then that's your business, but most people protect themselves in those ways. Why wouldn't they protect themselves against potential harm when they're naked and vulnerable? Who wants to go running out of the locker room naked if a sociopath posing as a Transgender person wanted to commit a crime? No one has an issue with a true trans person, esp the ones who have ambiguous genitalia and we're truly raised the wrong sex due to a birth defect. What worries people is psychos who exploit the Transgender in the locker room for nefarious reasons.

Has this happened often, in your experience?

Here is how often it has happened in my experience: never.

How often have you been raped?

So, let's ban men from walking around in public. You know - they may rape you.

[Anonymous]

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Nah, the right thing is to allow women to use the women's locker room. (And men to use the men's locker room, but somehow there is never any bathroom/locker room panic about transmen in the men's locker room. Why not?)

1. Because the majority of people posting here is female.
2. Because only a tiny amount of men would have a problem with a woman walking into their locker rooms - be she a natural one or not.
3. Because no man has to be afraid of a woman appearing in their locker rooms - they do not pose any danger.

That question really was unnecessary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A link from "lifesitenews"? Really?

Oh...you dislike the site so the article is invalid...okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm wondering how many of you walk around truly believing you will be attacked in your gym locker room. It must be crazy to be that paranoid all the time.

the only time a person is more vulnerable is when they're asleep. If you're going to protect yourselves a place when you're likely to be naked and vulnerable is a good place to do it. Do you wear a seat belt? Lock your doors? Protect your banking passwords? Make your kids wear a bike helmet and appropriate car seats? If not then that's your business, but most people protect themselves in those ways. Why wouldn't they protect themselves against potential harm when they're naked and vulnerable? Who wants to go running out of the locker room naked if a sociopath posing as a Transgender person wanted to commit a crime? No one has an issue with a true trans person, esp the ones who have ambiguous genitalia and we're truly raised the wrong sex due to a birth defect. What worries people is psychos who exploit the Transgender in the locker room for nefarious reasons.

Has this happened often, in your experience?

Here is how often it has happened in my experience: never.

How often have you been raped?

I, personally, know people who have been raped. I have also read about people being raped. I do not personally know anybody who has been assaulted by a transgender person in a locker room, and I have never read about assaults by transgender people in locker rooms. If you know of any such cases, please provide the information here.

You said in your experience you have never been raped by a transgendered. You have never been raped period. The poster you dismissed with your lack self-righteousness said that she felt unsafe and uncomfortable with male and their genitalia while she was in a vulnerable position of undress. She had been raped. You have no standing to dismiss her feelings. Until you have been spread eagled begging for your life while some person with male organs penetrating you shut the fuck up about what's possible and what's not. You have no standing. She does. I do. All the reading in the word will never make you understand or feel that time. You have no right to Poo Poo her feelings you helfer.

Actually, she has no more rights (or you) then anyone else does in a public space. That's the wonderful thing about this country. We are all equal under the law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So as to what procedure a gym should use to "screen transgendered", my answer would be "sincere self-reporting of gender identity" dictates what bathroom you're allowed to use.

Because a pervert or rapist would never lie about his "gender identity" in order to gain access to the women's locker room.

/facepalm

Actually, a rapist wouldn't care about "gender identity" a rapist would just wait behind the back ally and rape you vs. dressing up as a woman and doing it in a lighted locker room in a gym.

Signed,

Someone who worked in prison with actual rapists

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A link from "lifesitenews"? Really?

Oh...you dislike the site so the article is invalid...okay.

Has any reputable source reported on it, or just "lifesitenews"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Nah, the right thing is to allow women to use the women's locker room. (And men to use the men's locker room, but somehow there is never any bathroom/locker room panic about transmen in the men's locker room. Why not?)

1. Because the majority of people posting here is female.
2. Because only a tiny amount of men would have a problem with a woman walking into their locker rooms - be she a natural one or not.
3. Because no man has to be afraid of a woman appearing in their locker rooms - they do not pose any danger.

That question really was unnecessary.

OK, now that we've established that it's dangerous for women to use the men's locker room, could you please explain why you want some women to have to use the men's locker room?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A link from "lifesitenews"? Really?

Oh...you dislike the site so the article is invalid...okay.

Has any reputable source reported on it, or just "lifesitenews"?

Toronto Sun? I'm not FROM the US so I don't know what you would call reputable. The story is real...I'm sure someone with more knowledge of good or bad media could find the same story from the 'proper' sources.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Nah, the right thing is to allow women to use the women's locker room. (And men to use the men's locker room, but somehow there is never any bathroom/locker room panic about transmen in the men's locker room. Why not?)

1. Because the majority of people posting here is female.
2. Because only a tiny amount of men would have a problem with a woman walking into their locker rooms - be she a natural one or not.
3. Because no man has to be afraid of a woman appearing in their locker rooms - they do not pose any danger.

That question really was unnecessary.

OK, now that we've established that it's dangerous for women to use the men's locker room, could you please explain why you want some women to have to use the men's locker room?

I don't. I am the poster who keeps saying we need gender neutral changing rooms or just some single stalls. If you have a penis you are not to expose it to women. If you have a vagina you are not to expose it to men. We are talking about areas where people make themselves vulnerable. They do so because they expect what is being advertised on the outside: women or men only. You can not seriously tell women to be okay with seeing penises in their changing rooms. I'm sorry that doesn't make any kind of sense. That goes for any human being. It is not ONLY about the danger of being attacked.

Now for transgender people who do not expose themselves: I find it absolutely reasonable they share facilities with the gender they feel they are. There is no actual need to expose your genitals. If you demand respect from people by letting you share their facilities why don't you just give some to them and keep your genitals covered? That would be a very possible in between step until we actually have the correct facilities.

And places that offer gender separated facilities need to do some human relations work - explain to people that transgender people may use these facilities but are required to keep their genitals covered or something. I am sure a workable solution for everyone is possible if only everyone would be willing to compromise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

And how would you know that the next guy who works into a women's locker is sincere?

Speaking of sincere, here is my sincere question: why are you so much more worried about some hypothetical thing that could happen but never actually has yet, than about real actual things that really actually do happen regularly?

Because it is not hypothetical .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A link from "lifesitenews"? Really?

Oh...you dislike the site so the article is invalid...okay.

Has any reputable source reported on it, or just "lifesitenews"?

Toronto Sun? I'm not FROM the US so I don't know what you would call reputable. The story is real...I'm sure someone with more knowledge of good or bad media could find the same story from the 'proper' sources.

OK, could you link to Toronto Sun coverage, please?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I don't. I am the poster who keeps saying we need gender neutral changing rooms or just some single stalls. If you have a penis you are not to expose it to women. If you have a vagina you are not to expose it to men. We are talking about areas where people make themselves vulnerable. They do so because they expect what is being advertised on the outside: women or men only. You can not seriously tell women to be okay with seeing penises in their changing rooms. I'm sorry that doesn't make any kind of sense. That goes for any human being. It is not ONLY about the danger of being attacked.

Now for transgender people who do not expose themselves: I find it absolutely reasonable they share facilities with the gender they feel they are. There is no actual need to expose your genitals. If you demand respect from people by letting you share their facilities why don't you just give some to them and keep your genitals covered? That would be a very possible in between step until we actually have the correct facilities.

And places that offer gender separated facilities need to do some human relations work - explain to people that transgender people may use these facilities but are required to keep their genitals covered or something. I am sure a workable solution for everyone is possible if only everyone would be willing to compromise.

It sounds to me like when you say "gender neutral changing rooms", what you really mean is "changing rooms that transgender people should use".

The women's locker room is the women's locker room, not the ciswomen's locker room. And the men's locker room is the men's locker room, not the cismen's locker room.

But if you want to institute a policy that everybody in all locker rooms must keep their genitals covered -- well, ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

And how would you know that the next guy who works into a women's locker is sincere?

Speaking of sincere, here is my sincere question: why are you so much more worried about some hypothetical thing that could happen but never actually has yet, than about real actual things that really actually do happen regularly?

Because it is not hypothetical .

Could you please link to an actual instance, as reported by a reputable news source, of a transgender woman attacking a cisgender woman in a women's locker room?