Child killed by Neighborhood Watch captain while walking home

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There is NO way in hell Zimmerman can claim self defense. He is a classic trouble making neighbor that did not know when to back off and will absolutely get his due. Their department is going to be sued for EVERYTHING.

It could be a series of documented true (not fabricated - that would be lying to a government official, which has its own extremely serious repercussions) events that would bring Zimmerman and that police department down. There must be lawyers clamoring for this case, and they will throw the book at Zimmerman, the county, and the police department.

Although it won't bring back their son, this family will probably get millions, as they should. Zimmerman will lose everything, as he should.

PP has secret info already proving all of these things.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps.

[Anonymous]

20:53 - Zimmerman? That you? I would hide too, if I were you.

[Anonymous]

OK then. Those folks who are saying it's not illegal according to the law-- on what basis do you make that claim? How can you interpret the law to think what Zimmerman did was legal?

OK, I did not say that it is not illegal. I think it probably was illegal and that Z should spend the rest of his life in jail.

That being said, we do not know everything. There are circumstance that could be true under which shooting the unarmed boy would not qualify as murder. For example, if Z stopped chasing T and decided to return to his vehicle. If T then decided that he did not like the harassment and was going to take a stand and then pursued Z. If T then attacked Z and got the better of Z. Then, the doctrine would apply. The fact that Z was wholly and completely wrong to pursue T does not then mean that the defense is unavailable to him.
The guy was apparently bleeding from his nose and back of his head. This is enough evidence to leave open the possibility that Z was losing an intense fight and feared for his life.

I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS THE CASE. I am saying that the system REALLY failed the boy, his family, and the public by not conducting an appropriate and thorough investigation, such that we ae left to speculate what happened from the end of the 911 call until then end of a young boy's life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

OK then. Those folks who are saying it's not illegal according to the law-- on what basis do you make that claim? How can you interpret the law to think what Zimmerman did was legal?

OK, I did not say that it is not illegal. I think it probably was illegal and that Z should spend the rest of his life in jail.

That being said, we do not know everything. There are circumstance that could be true under which shooting the unarmed boy would not qualify as murder. For example, if Z stopped chasing T and decided to return to his vehicle. If T then decided that he did not like the harassment and was going to take a stand and then pursued Z. If T then attacked Z and got the better of Z. Then, the doctrine would apply. The fact that Z was wholly and completely wrong to pursue T does not then mean that the defense is unavailable to him.
The guy was apparently bleeding from his nose and back of his head. This is enough evidence to leave open the possibility that Z was losing an intense fight and feared for his life.

I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS THE CASE. I am saying that the system REALLY failed the boy, his family, and the public by not conducting an appropriate and thorough investigation, such that we ae left to speculate what happened from the end of the 911 call until then end of a young boy's life.

Well, sure. Defense lawyers can make lots of arguments and interpret the law in any way they want. Doesn't mean a jury will buy it.

The problem here is that the POLICE don't understand the law and didn't do their job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There is NO way in hell Zimmerman can claim self defense. He is a classic trouble making neighbor that did not know when to back off and will absolutely get his due. Their department is going to be sued for EVERYTHING.

It could be a series of documented true (not fabricated - that would be lying to a government official, which has its own extremely serious repercussions) events that would bring Zimmerman and that police department down. There must be lawyers clamoring for this case, and they will throw the book at Zimmerman, the county, and the police department.

Although it won't bring back their son, this family will probably get millions, as they should. Zimmerman will lose everything, as he should.

Oh look a witness who was there, it doesn't matter what happened on initial contact it matters what happened during the end of the incident during the struggle

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

[Anonymous]

I had heard in the media that the problem with the Florida law is that, unlike other states, the person claiming self-defense doesn't have to show that he didn't create the conditions that led to him having to "defend" himself. That is, in some states if I start a fist fight out of the blue with someone, which leads to me feeling threatened and then I shoot that other person, I can't claim self-defense because I created the conditions that led to me shooting. But what I've heard is that the fear is that in Florida, the law doesn't include that proviso, so that Zimmerman could get off even though he created the conditions that led to the shooting.

But then I've also heard, as has been mentioned by pps, that the fact that the dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow Martin means that Zimmerman can't use that law in his defense.

I don't know. I just hope that there is enough information out there for the investigation to give us a clearer sense of what happened. That poor boy's family deserves at last that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There is NO way in hell Zimmerman can claim self defense. He is a classic trouble making neighbor that did not know when to back off and will absolutely get his due. Their department is going to be sued for EVERYTHING.

It could be a series of documented true (not fabricated - that would be lying to a government official, which has its own extremely serious repercussions) events that would bring Zimmerman and that police department down. There must be lawyers clamoring for this case, and they will throw the book at Zimmerman, the county, and the police department.

Although it won't bring back their son, this family will probably get millions, as they should. Zimmerman will lose everything, as he should.

Oh look a witness who was there, it doesn't matter what happened on initial contact it matters what happened during the end of the incident during the struggle

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

But he didn't seem to know how they got to that point. I just don't think shooing a tiny teen in justified. He killed a person. I'm sure there would have been other ways to deal with it. Z was 100lbs heavier...
Shooting someone is pretty final.
Sadly, police didn't do their job. But at least do a investigation. Don't pretend it happened. He was 17. It just doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had heard in the media that the problem with the Florida law is that, unlike other states, the person claiming self-defense doesn't have to show that he didn't create the conditions that led to him having to "defend" himself. That is, in some states if I start a fist fight out of the blue with someone, which leads to me feeling threatened and then I shoot that other person, I can't claim self-defense because I created the conditions that led to me shooting. But what I've heard is that the fear is that in Florida, the law doesn't include that proviso, so that Zimmerman could get off even though he created the conditions that led to the shooting.

But then I've also heard, as has been mentioned by pps, that the fact that the dispatcher told Zimmerman not to follow Martin means that Zimmerman can't use that law in his defense.

I don't know. I just hope that there is enough information out there for the investigation to give us a clearer sense of what happened. That poor boy's family deserves at last that.

The dispatcher never commanded him to not follows Martin, the dispatcher said . "We don't need you to do that. "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There is NO way in hell Zimmerman can claim self defense. He is a classic trouble making neighbor that did not know when to back off and will absolutely get his due. Their department is going to be sued for EVERYTHING.

It could be a series of documented true (not fabricated - that would be lying to a government official, which has its own extremely serious repercussions) events that would bring Zimmerman and that police department down. There must be lawyers clamoring for this case, and they will throw the book at Zimmerman, the county, and the police department.

Although it won't bring back their son, this family will probably get millions, as they should. Zimmerman will lose everything, as he should.

Oh look a witness who was there, it doesn't matter what happened on initial contact it matters what happened during the end of the incident during the struggle

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

But he didn't seem to know how they got to that point. I just don't think shooing a tiny teen in justified. He killed a person. I'm sure there would have been other ways to deal with it. Z was 100lbs heavier...
Shooting someone is pretty final.
Sadly, police didn't do their job. But at least do a investigation. Don't pretend it happened. He was 17. It just doesn't make sense.

Life lesson, you attack someone with your fists don't be surprised if you get shot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There is NO way in hell Zimmerman can claim self defense. He is a classic trouble making neighbor that did not know when to back off and will absolutely get his due. Their department is going to be sued for EVERYTHING.

It could be a series of documented true (not fabricated - that would be lying to a government official, which has its own extremely serious repercussions) events that would bring Zimmerman and that police department down. There must be lawyers clamoring for this case, and they will throw the book at Zimmerman, the county, and the police department.

Although it won't bring back their son, this family will probably get millions, as they should. Zimmerman will lose everything, as he should.

Oh look a witness who was there, it doesn't matter what happened on initial contact it matters what happened during the end of the incident during the struggle

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

But he didn't seem to know how they got to that point. I just don't think shooing a tiny teen in justified. He killed a person. I'm sure there would have been other ways to deal with it. Z was 100lbs heavier...
Shooting someone is pretty final.
Sadly, police didn't do their job. But at least do a investigation. Don't pretend it happened. He was 17. It just doesn't make sense.

Life lesson, you attack someone with your fists don't be surprised if you get shot

Life lesson, if you follow and confront someone, don't be surprised if he feels threatened and tries to defend himself.

See how that works?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There is NO way in hell Zimmerman can claim self defense. He is a classic trouble making neighbor that did not know when to back off and will absolutely get his due. Their department is going to be sued for EVERYTHING.

It could be a series of documented true (not fabricated - that would be lying to a government official, which has its own extremely serious repercussions) events that would bring Zimmerman and that police department down. There must be lawyers clamoring for this case, and they will throw the book at Zimmerman, the county, and the police department.

Although it won't bring back their son, this family will probably get millions, as they should. Zimmerman will lose everything, as he should.

Oh look a witness who was there, it doesn't matter what happened on initial contact it matters what happened during the end of the incident during the struggle

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

But he didn't seem to know how they got to that point. I just don't think shooing a tiny teen in justified. He killed a person. I'm sure there would have been other ways to deal with it. Z was 100lbs heavier...
Shooting someone is pretty final.
Sadly, police didn't do their job. But at least do a investigation. Don't pretend it happened. He was 17. It just doesn't make sense.

Life lesson, you attack someone with your fists don't be surprised if you get shot

Really, that's your answer. How would you answer that if it was your child?
Maybe Trayvon was scared for his life and was acting in self-defense just to end up being shot?!?

[Anonymous]

My God. If you listen to these 911 tapes, the neighbors captured Trayvon's dying screams for help.

http://z6mag.com/featured/trayvon-martin-911-call-from-neighbors-and-zimmerman-audio-166633.html

[Anonymous]

Also definitely heard the shooter say, "these f*cking coons" in the 911 tapes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My God. If you listen to these 911 tapes, the neighbors captured Trayvon's dying screams for help.

http://z6mag.com/featured/trayvon-martin-911-call-from-neighbors-and-zimmerman-audio-166633.html

Does anybody have a better source for these "911 calls" than "z6mag"?