Child killed by Neighborhood Watch captain while walking home

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
You are assuming that GZ was "stalking" -- or approaching TM in a threatening manner. Is it "stalking" if I see you walking on the sidewalk in front of my house and walk toward you?
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Woman here. If I am walking down a street at night, and a guy is staring at me, and then a few blocks later he comes driving up to me, and approaches me, uninvited, to talk to me, ask me what I am doing there, you bet your ass I am SCARED SHITLESS.

I think if you are a black person in American you also would feel pretty frightened at that point.

I think the dispatcher audio proves that Zimmerman stalked TM in a threatening manner. IMHO, no lawyer here.

I keep imagining if that were me or my child just trying to walk home and some vigilante took it upon himself to follow and harass me.

You can dress it up anyway you like. Zimmerman instigated this. Zimmerman profiled TM. Zimmerman brought a gun and CHOSE to confront this person who was no imminent threat to Zimmerman. Zimmerman created this situation and its tragic consequences. TM is the one who was KILLED. Zimmerman deserves to be punished for killing a child.

so let me get this straight to understand your logic

So black people in america are more frightened than other people?

if you are stalking somebody you call 911 to let them know? How many stalkers have called 911 to inform the police of their actions while it happens?

Would your child respond to a shorter adult's verbal questions by repeatedly punching him in the face and slamming the back of his head onto the ground? If so you need to maybe rethink your parenting strategies.

So you want to throw "profiling" into the mix?

Have you read the law in regards to stand your ground?

776.012?Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1)?He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2)?Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

776.013?Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—

[Anonymous]

As a legal matter regarding whether or not GZ was stalking TM, it seems to me that the fact that GZ had a gun does not matter at all? If TM did not know that GZ had a gun, he couldn't have felt harassed or threatened by it, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are assuming that GZ was "stalking" -- or approaching TM in a threatening manner. Is it "stalking" if I see you walking on the sidewalk in front of my house and walk toward you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Woman here. If I am walking down a street at night, and a guy is staring at me, and then a few blocks later he comes driving up to me, and approaches me, uninvited, to talk to me, ask me what I am doing there, you bet your ass I am SCARED SHITLESS.

I think if you are a black person in American you also would feel pretty frightened at that point.

I think the dispatcher audio proves that Zimmerman stalked TM in a threatening manner. IMHO, no lawyer here.

I keep imagining if that were me or my child just trying to walk home and some vigilante took it upon himself to follow and harass me.

You can dress it up anyway you like. Zimmerman instigated this. Zimmerman profiled TM. Zimmerman brought a gun and CHOSE to confront this person who was no imminent threat to Zimmerman. Zimmerman created this situation and its tragic consequences. TM is the one who was KILLED. Zimmerman deserves to be punished for killing a child.

so let me get this straight to understand your logic

So black people in america are more frightened than other people?

if you are stalking somebody you call 911 to let them know? How many stalkers have called 911 to inform the police of their actions while it happens?

Would your child respond to a shorter adult's verbal questions by repeatedly punching him in the face and slamming the back of his head onto the ground? If so you need to maybe rethink your parenting strategies.

So you want to throw "profiling" into the mix?

Have you read the law in regards to stand your ground?

776.012?Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1)?He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2)?Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

776.013?Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—

Is that what they're calling it these days, "verbal requests?" Like what, "stop walking away or I'll shoot you?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are assuming that GZ was "stalking" -- or approaching TM in a threatening manner. Is it "stalking" if I see you walking on the sidewalk in front of my house and walk toward you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Woman here. If I am walking down a street at night, and a guy is staring at me, and then a few blocks later he comes driving up to me, and approaches me, uninvited, to talk to me, ask me what I am doing there, you bet your ass I am SCARED SHITLESS.

I think if you are a black person in American you also would feel pretty frightened at that point.

I think the dispatcher audio proves that Zimmerman stalked TM in a threatening manner. IMHO, no lawyer here.

I keep imagining if that were me or my child just trying to walk home and some vigilante took it upon himself to follow and harass me.

You can dress it up anyway you like. Zimmerman instigated this. Zimmerman profiled TM. Zimmerman brought a gun and CHOSE to confront this person who was no imminent threat to Zimmerman. Zimmerman created this situation and its tragic consequences. TM is the one who was KILLED. Zimmerman deserves to be punished for killing a child.

Again it doesn't matter what someone says, you can call someone whatever you want, the person at fault is the one who initiates the physical assault.
so let me get this straight to understand your logic

So black people in america are more frightened than other people?

if you are stalking somebody you call 911 to let them know? How many stalkers have called 911 to inform the police of their actions while it happens?

Would your child respond to a shorter adult's verbal questions by repeatedly punching him in the face and slamming the back of his head onto the ground? If so you need to maybe rethink your parenting strategies.

So you want to throw "profiling" into the mix?

Have you read the law in regards to stand your ground?

776.012?Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1)?He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2)?Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

776.013?Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—

Is that what they're calling it these days, "verbal requests?" Like what, "stop walking away or I'll shoot you?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You are assuming that GZ was "stalking" -- or approaching TM in a threatening manner. Is it "stalking" if I see you walking on the sidewalk in front of my house and walk toward you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Woman here. If I am walking down a street at night, and a guy is staring at me, and then a few blocks later he comes driving up to me, and approaches me, uninvited, to talk to me, ask me what I am doing there, you bet your ass I am SCARED SHITLESS.

I think if you are a black person in American you also would feel pretty frightened at that point.

I think the dispatcher audio proves that Zimmerman stalked TM in a threatening manner. IMHO, no lawyer here.

I keep imagining if that were me or my child just trying to walk home and some vigilante took it upon himself to follow and harass me.

You can dress it up anyway you like. Zimmerman instigated this. Zimmerman profiled TM. Zimmerman brought a gun and CHOSE to confront this person who was no imminent threat to Zimmerman. Zimmerman created this situation and its tragic consequences. TM is the one who was KILLED. Zimmerman deserves to be punished for killing a child.

so let me get this straight to understand your logic

So black people in america are more frightened than other people?

if you are stalking somebody you call 911 to let them know? How many stalkers have called 911 to inform the police of their actions while it happens?

Would your child respond to a shorter adult's verbal questions by repeatedly punching him in the face and slamming the back of his head onto the ground? If so you need to maybe rethink your parenting strategies.

So you want to throw "profiling" into the mix?

Have you read the law in regards to stand your ground?

776.012?Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1)?He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2)?Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

776.013?Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—

Is that what they're calling it these days, "verbal requests?" Like what, "stop walking away or I'll shoot you?"

Again it doesn't matter what someone says, you can call someone whatever you want, the person at fault is the one who initiates the physical assault.