NYT Times interview with Brian Kohlberger’s sister

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
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“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

Careful, your belief in just world shows.

Nick Reiner had all the supports imaginable, and look how that turned out.

His parents money shielded him from the consequences most people in his situation would have been in.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
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“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

Careful, your belief in just world shows.

Nick Reiner had all the supports imaginable, and look how that turned out.

His parents money shielded him from the consequences most people in his situation would have been in.

What consequences? He has been living on the streets. Do you mean that without his parents’ support he would have died before having a chance to kill them?

Probably so. 17 rehab attempts and didn't remain on streets forever. Should have been hospitalized indefinitely.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
…

“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

Careful, your belief in just world shows.

Nick Reiner had all the supports imaginable, and look how that turned out.

His parents money shielded him from the consequences most people in his situation would have been in.

What consequences? He has been living on the streets. Do you mean that without his parents’ support he would have died before having a chance to kill them?

Probably so. 17 rehab attempts and didn't remain on streets forever. Should have been hospitalized indefinitely.

Hospitalized where? By who? It's incredibly hard for drug addicts to get spaces for rehab and in hospitals. Those with severe mental health issues too. A lot of people are begging for spaces for their relatives and can't get them, and when something bad happens, people look with hindsight and say "more should have been done."

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
…

“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

Careful, your belief in just world shows.

Nick Reiner had all the supports imaginable, and look how that turned out.

His parents money shielded him from the consequences most people in his situation would have been in.

What consequences? He has been living on the streets. Do you mean that without his parents’ support he would have died before having a chance to kill them?

Probably so. 17 rehab attempts and didn't remain on streets forever. Should have been hospitalized indefinitely.

All thse creeps with issues but Britney Spears is the one that gets put under w conservatorship. Fascinating really.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
…

“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

Careful, your belief in just world shows.

Nick Reiner had all the supports imaginable, and look how that turned out.

His parents money shielded him from the consequences most people in his situation would have been in.

What consequences? He has been living on the streets. Do you mean that without his parents’ support he would have died before having a chance to kill them?

Probably so. 17 rehab attempts and didn't remain on streets forever. Should have been hospitalized indefinitely.

Hospitalized where? By who? It's incredibly hard for drug addicts to get spaces for rehab and in hospitals. Those with severe mental health issues too. A lot of people are begging for spaces for their relatives and can't get them, and when something bad happens, people look with hindsight and say "more should have been done."

They took him in and put him in the guest house to keep him off the streets. Where do you think people who don't have access to a Brentwood guest house go?

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
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“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

Careful, your belief in just world shows.

Nick Reiner had all the supports imaginable, and look how that turned out.

His parents money shielded him from the consequences most people in his situation would have been in.

What consequences? He has been living on the streets. Do you mean that without his parents’ support he would have died before having a chance to kill them?

Probably so. 17 rehab attempts and didn't remain on streets forever. Should have been hospitalized indefinitely.

Hospitalized where? By who? It's incredibly hard for drug addicts to get spaces for rehab and in hospitals. Those with severe mental health issues too. A lot of people are begging for spaces for their relatives and can't get them, and when something bad happens, people look with hindsight and say "more should have been done."

I get it and sympathize. We need to change the laws regarding longterm hospitalization.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

I thought he was diagnosed. I have heard so many things...who knows what is fact anymore. However, if I had to put my life savings on the line, he is aut. From my knowledge it isn't a medical diagnosis, it's more rating scales.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
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“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

Careful, your belief in just world shows.

Nick Reiner had all the supports imaginable, and look how that turned out.

His parents money shielded him from the consequences most people in his situation would have been in.

What consequences? He has been living on the streets. Do you mean that without his parents’ support he would have died before having a chance to kill them?

Probably so. 17 rehab attempts and didn't remain on streets forever. Should have been hospitalized indefinitely.

Hospitalized where? By who? It's incredibly hard for drug addicts to get spaces for rehab and in hospitals. Those with severe mental health issues too. A lot of people are begging for spaces for their relatives and can't get them, and when something bad happens, people look with hindsight and say "more should have been done."

Yes, all the money and power in the world can't help a parent shield a child from the consequences of drug addiction and mental illness if the health care and legal system doesn't offer options, and they don't. There but for fortune go you and everyone you know.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
…

“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

This guy brutally murdered four people.

And your take away is that it was his family's fault?

I have crappy parents. They had kids young, were immature people, were abusive and neglectful.

I have never and will never murder anyone.

This crime is the fault of one person.

Does your profile look like his? Nobody, but his sister, has come to bat for this guy. Nobody was like "he was so sweet! I can't imagine!" He was a social pariah. But for his sister to come out and talk about the heart she made for him and the candles she'll blow out for him seems totally disconnected from reality.

So the murders are his family's fault for failing him and not getting him the help he needed, but now also his sister is a bad person for saying she still loves him and is trying to offer him some family and community in prison.

She grew up in the same home he grew up in. She was his peer, not his mother. And now sometimes it's her fault he didn't get more help as a teenager, her fault he murdered people, but also her fault for loving and supporting him now (while also being very clear that she is not defending what he did and saying she thinks about the victims all the time and recognizes the victims' families have it much, much worse).

What's your solution? She should never have a job, never be happy, never find any peace in all this at all, as punishment for... what exactly? What did she do?

She needs to change her name and stay out of the media. Seriously. I am not sure if she is working or can even get a job, but her last name will always be associated with the Idaho murders.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
…

“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

Careful, your belief in just world shows.

Nick Reiner had all the supports imaginable, and look how that turned out.

His parents money shielded him from the consequences most people in his situation would have been in.

What consequences? He has been living on the streets. Do you mean that without his parents’ support he would have died before having a chance to kill them?

Probably so. 17 rehab attempts and didn't remain on streets forever. Should have been hospitalized indefinitely.

Hospitalized where? By who? It's incredibly hard for drug addicts to get spaces for rehab and in hospitals. Those with severe mental health issues too. A lot of people are begging for spaces for their relatives and can't get them, and when something bad happens, people look with hindsight and say "more should have been done."

They took him in and put him in the guest house to keep him off the streets. Where do you think people who don't have access to a Brentwood guest house go?

Bedroom in your house, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
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“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

Careful, your belief in just world shows.

Nick Reiner had all the supports imaginable, and look how that turned out.

His parents money shielded him from the consequences most people in his situation would have been in.

What consequences? He has been living on the streets. Do you mean that without his parents’ support he would have died before having a chance to kill them?

Probably so. 17 rehab attempts and didn't remain on streets forever. Should have been hospitalized indefinitely.

Hospitalized where? By who? It's incredibly hard for drug addicts to get spaces for rehab and in hospitals. Those with severe mental health issues too. A lot of people are begging for spaces for their relatives and can't get them, and when something bad happens, people look with hindsight and say "more should have been done."

They took him in and put him in the guest house to keep him off the streets. Where do you think people who don't have access to a Brentwood guest house go?

Bedroom in your house, of course.

I mean bedroom in their parent's house. Adult mentally ill children live with their parents all the time. The only thing he had that many don't is the easy availability of a bed in a rehab center. Relapse rates are high always, and he got another chance (and another and another) after many other families would have exhausted money. These chances didn't shield him and almost all families wish they had these additional chances to offer their kids. That is all he got that others don't. Many parents spend their old age trying and failing and trying again to help their mentally ill, periodically drug addicted kids get the help they need. It is hard. Their money didn't make it that much easier.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
…

“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

Careful, your belief in just world shows.

Nick Reiner had all the supports imaginable, and look how that turned out.

His parents money shielded him from the consequences most people in his situation would have been in.

What consequences? He has been living on the streets. Do you mean that without his parents’ support he would have died before having a chance to kill them?

Probably so. 17 rehab attempts and didn't remain on streets forever. Should have been hospitalized indefinitely.

Hospitalized where? By who? It's incredibly hard for drug addicts to get spaces for rehab and in hospitals. Those with severe mental health issues too. A lot of people are begging for spaces for their relatives and can't get them, and when something bad happens, people look with hindsight and say "more should have been done."

They took him in and put him in the guest house to keep him off the streets. Where do you think people who don't have access to a Brentwood guest house go?

Bedroom in your house, of course.

I mean bedroom in their parent's house. Adult mentally ill children live with their parents all the time. The only thing he had that many don't is the easy availability of a bed in a rehab center. Relapse rates are high always, and he got another chance (and another and another) after many other families would have exhausted money. These chances didn't shield him and almost all families wish they had these additional chances to offer their kids. That is all he got that others don't. Many parents spend their old age trying and failing and trying again to help their mentally ill, periodically drug addicted kids get the help they need. It is hard. Their money didn't make it that much easier.

Ha wrong thread. I thought we were talking about the Reiner kid. But most of this is the same. Getting an adult mental health treatment is hard. This family did the best they could. There but for fortune . . . blah blah blah

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
…

“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

Careful, your belief in just world shows.

Nick Reiner had all the supports imaginable, and look how that turned out.

His parents money shielded him from the consequences most people in his situation would have been in.

What consequences? He has been living on the streets. Do you mean that without his parents’ support he would have died before having a chance to kill them?

Probably so. 17 rehab attempts and didn't remain on streets forever. Should have been hospitalized indefinitely.

Hospitalized where? By who? It's incredibly hard for drug addicts to get spaces for rehab and in hospitals. Those with severe mental health issues too. A lot of people are begging for spaces for their relatives and can't get them, and when something bad happens, people look with hindsight and say "more should have been done."

They took him in and put him in the guest house to keep him off the streets. Where do you think people who don't have access to a Brentwood guest house go?

Bedroom in your house, of course.

I mean bedroom in their parent's house. Adult mentally ill children live with their parents all the time. The only thing he had that many don't is the easy availability of a bed in a rehab center. Relapse rates are high always, and he got another chance (and another and another) after many other families would have exhausted money. These chances didn't shield him and almost all families wish they had these additional chances to offer their kids. That is all he got that others don't. Many parents spend their old age trying and failing and trying again to help their mentally ill, periodically drug addicted kids get the help they need. It is hard. Their money didn't make it that much easier.

Ha wrong thread. I thought we were talking about the Reiner kid. But most of this is the same. Getting an adult mental health treatment is hard. This family did the best they could. There but for fortune . . . blah blah blah

I think the Reiner parents tried. I don't think the Kohberger parents did. But I think a kid like Nick Reiner, without his parents money, would have been dead on the streets or arrested long before he murdered his parents.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe BK was always a problem child, however, I do not believe his parents had reason to think he would turn into a quadruple murderer. I don’t blame his family at all, but I find the sister’s interview self serving and a bad look.

Of course he was. He was morbidly obese, bullied, then lost a ton of weight. He clearly seems to have autism and who knows what else. He was weird, at best, and scary to the women around him and they had meetings to discuss his off putting behavior. But the family saw nothing. How odd.

Oh what medical credentials do you have that allow you to diagnose autism without examining a patient?

I said he “seems” it’s not a diagnosis. But his lawyers say the same thing so maybe you’ll take their word for it. It’s pretty obvious.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/24/us/bryan-kohberger-death-penalty-autism-diagnosis

+1 which means he was displaying odd behaviors for a very long time. He should have been under a psychiatrist's care with close monitoring and appropriate meds.

Brian was 28 at the time of the murders, had just graduated from DeSales University and had been accepted into a good PhD program with recommendations from recognized professors.

How do you force an adult to not only see a psychiatrist, but also take the recommended meds? Police: my son is wearing gloves and calling me at 6am - please take him to a locked psych facility and let's mess up his PhD studies and assure he never graduates.

It's one thing if a person has acted out violently in public and put others at risk. It's another that he has ASD traits and odd behavior. In order to lock up this one rare murderer, we are going to have to lock up a ton of people who act odd, but have never threatened others with violence.

Never threatened others with violence? Looks like he had a physical altercation with his sister. Someone in here acted like that was totally normal, but I don’t agree with that. She tried to force him out of the house and he grabbed her hands. What’s up with that?

I agreed above that the sister's claim that Brian wasn't violent, then mentioning he grabbed her hands didn't line up. But no one called the police, no one pressed charges at the time. And maybe the sister was more the aggressor during that argument, who knows?

So now mom calls the police and says, hey, my 28yo son got into an argument with his sister 7 years ago and they both were fighting each other, but my son secured her hands so she couldn't hurt him, so will you please commit him to a mental facility because he might be violent in the future?

It's just not practical to lock up all these people with odd behaviors. We stand a better chance if they have threatened strangers with unexplained violence, police were involved, charges were involved, etc. But getting into a shoving match with your sibling and grabbing her hands to keep her from hitting you or hitting you back? I just don't think this rises to locking people up or forcing them into psychiatric care and forced meds.

Well, there were certainly signs at work:

“She said Kohberger would stand at the assistant’s desk, even directly behind her at times, looking over her shoulder as she worked. Another professor was asked to escort the assistant to her car after work because of Kohberger’s behavior, according to the documents.

One student said whenever she looked up, Kohberger, who was a teaching assistant in her class, was “always” staring, according to the records. He rarely spoke to students, she told police. She felt he would time his exit to leave when she did and then follow her to her car.”
…

“Mark my word, I work with predators, if we give him a PhD, that’s the guy that in many years when he is a professor, we will hear is harassing, stalking, and sexually abusing … his students,” one of Kohberger’s teachers told her colleagues during the meeting, according to the documents.



https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/us/kohberger-washington-state-university-peers-police-interviews-hnk

PP you responded to, and yes, these are scary behaviors. When I last read about the case, I heard Brian was about to lose his TA position. I don't know if kicking him out as a student would have been the next step.

But it's so hard to leap from these weird, disturbing behaviors, to taking these behaviors to a court of law and asking the state to arrest him and/or "lock him up"?

I just don't see how we only siphon out the bad guys who will go on to do heinous things, without locking up a bunch of weirdos who we worry might do terrible things, but would have just continued to be oddballs who never became violent.

We need to at least move past the idea that nobody could have seen this coming because he was acting perfectly normal.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that he behaved perfectly normal. I think the issue is that you would normally expect some history of escalating acts of violence before someone commits a quadruple murder, and we just have no evidence of that. Yes, staring at women and making them uncomfortable is bad. Yes, getting into an argument with his sister where he was restraining her hands is not an example of a normally functioning person. But neither of those things make me think he's literally about to murder someone. They make me think he sounds troubled, he should see a therapist, he might have anger management or a neurological issues, etc.

But not that he is a murderer. He wasn't normal, but if all we knew about him was what his family or employer knew, I would not have expected him to kill anyone. Even the comment by the professor in that meeting concerning him at school, what was her concern? That he would get his PhD and become a professor who harasses and assaults students. That's awful and I'm really glad she spoke up. But that's not the same as murder.

I feel like the only way you could have anticipated he would do this is if his purchase of the knife online had been flagged in a way that had alerted his family or employer, or if, as people suspect, he was casing this house for some time before the murder, that behavior had been known and flagged to his family or employer. But how?

I find it impossible to believe his family didn’t have some inkling of what he was really like. He seems deeps disturbed at best. The sister is being dishonest.

His sister is more than dishonest. It is quite obvious she also suffers from severe mental illness .

Exactly. The lesson here isn't "Welp! What can we do! Nobody could have seen this coming!" But it's to make sure kids get the support and diagnoses they need from a very young age. Clearly Bryan didn't. His parents and family failed him.

This guy brutally murdered four people.

And your take away is that it was his family's fault?

I have crappy parents. They had kids young, were immature people, were abusive and neglectful.

I have never and will never murder anyone.

This crime is the fault of one person.

Does your profile look like his? Nobody, but his sister, has come to bat for this guy. Nobody was like "he was so sweet! I can't imagine!" He was a social pariah. But for his sister to come out and talk about the heart she made for him and the candles she'll blow out for him seems totally disconnected from reality.

So the murders are his family's fault for failing him and not getting him the help he needed, but now also his sister is a bad person for saying she still loves him and is trying to offer him some family and community in prison.

She grew up in the same home he grew up in. She was his peer, not his mother. And now sometimes it's her fault he didn't get more help as a teenager, her fault he murdered people, but also her fault for loving and supporting him now (while also being very clear that she is not defending what he did and saying she thinks about the victims all the time and recognizes the victims' families have it much, much worse).

What's your solution? She should never have a job, never be happy, never find any peace in all this at all, as punishment for... what exactly? What did she do?

Thank you for saying this. I read the article before seeing this thread and thought it honest and real - not PR (which makes it clumsy at time). It is the complicated perspective of a family and sister shocked, horrified, mourning, feeling daily the pain of the families who violently lost their children because of the a beloved son and brother. I am glad she spoke out. I wonder if her make-up and blue hair was a disguise. I wish the best for her

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I think we need to be open to the possibility that Brian Kohlberger is a true sociopath, and that the reason his family may not have realized he was dangerous is because he did a good job of convincing them that he was not dangerous.

A key piece of evidence here is that it's not just his family saying they didn't see this coming -- he had two successful, female professors in undergrad who were not only very impressed by him but one wound up recommending him for his PhD program and wrote a glowing recommendation. This woman was an expert in criminal behavior. If he convinced her, it's really not that much of a stretch to think he probably knew what to say to his parents and sisters to make them think he was okay or on the right path.

It appears his behavior became notably more aggressive when he started his PhD program, with his behavior towards students and colleagues.

Also there are these clues from his past. No history of violence at school or with the criminal justice system, but we know he was bullied a lot in school, that expressed in a journal at some point that he couldn't feel or would do things to try and make himself feel, and also that he developed a heroine addiction. All of this points to a psychology where he might have had deeply buried trauma and suppressed rage, that he may use risk-seeking behavior to try and trigger emotional responses or to "feel human", including heroine use, but he was a recovering addict and was not using heroine. Well, people like that tend to try and replace it with something else.

I think he is a sociopath but that he was also very intelligent and had a lot of self control which enabled him to fool his parents, his sisters, and his professors. An intelligent person who has these kinds of issues will learn exactly what other people want to hear from him. He will understand the script of the recovering addict or what he needs to say to a professor to explain why it took him longer to finish undergrad or what to tell his sister to explain away troubling behavior. And successfully convincing these people to trust him, forgive him, and support him might have built up his ego to the point of arrogance. From the outside this could look like a smart kid who got bullied in school finally overcoming his challenges and making good. His family saw him as, yes, someone with issues, but on an upward trajectory. And his success at DeSales would have confirmed that for them because the people there would be outsiders who had no reason to accept Brian or give him another chance. So getting these endorsements from professors and people saying he's smart, he has a good career ahead of him -- that would have been very convincing for his family, I think. Keep in mind he was only 28. He'd only had one major set back, his addiction, and it was easy to blame his issues on that. It's not like he was 40 and in and out of rehabs for years or had been in trouble with the law multiple times. He'd hit rock bottom but appeared to have recovered and be past it.

Then he got to Idaho and probably was feeling particularly confident and powerful, having convinced all these other people that he was doing well, even excelling. Which maybe led to overconfidence and overreaching, and his arrogant and aggressive behavior towards students and women in his department, as well as women socially. And he experienced multiple rejections, lost his TA position, was banned from bars, and had women refusing to speak to him or go out with him. And I do think this led him to "snap" so to speak. I know he's been diagnosed with autism but it sounds like he may have BPD and was engaged in splitting. Before Idaho he would have been in a manic phase and had beliefs in his own grandiosity, which to his family and others might have just looked like finally getting it together. And then he faced setbacks in Idaho and this flip and destroyed his sense of any self worth and the murder took place from the bottom of a deep well of depression.

I just think it's a mistake to think this guy who killed four total strangers out of nowhere had like a normal progression of mental illness that other people should have figure out and solved. I think he's a sociopath, like most mass killers. People who have more normal mental health problems like autism or depression or PTSD don't stalk and murder four strangers. I think his sociopathy actually partly explains the the people who knew him best before this happened didn't see it coming. He was smart enough to keep them from seeing the scariest parts of him, and his particular psychology was almost designed to conceal them from others.

I just don't see how you blame the family here, unless something comes out that he was abused or neglected as a kid. But in that case, it wouldn't be the sister who was culpable -- she'd likely be another victim of the same abuse and neglect. From what we know now though, he just sounds like a sociopath who maybe wound up on that path due to innate psychological traits.