NYT Times interview with Brian Kohlberger’s sister

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

You are truly an odd duck. Do you rant on street corners about boogeymen?

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

That wouldn't make for much of an interesting thread; of course everyone has sympathy for the victims. That literally goes without saying for most people.

Really? You just don't share sympathy or empathy for victims because it "goes without saying?" You sound like the poster that doesn't think anyone should be hospitalized or kept away from the public because the rights of the mentally ill are the most important. .

DP. You are perhaps one of the most stupid people I have encountered on DCUM. Of course it goes without saying. What is wrong with you?

And no one has said the rights of the mentally ill are most important, but neither can they be discounted.

Are you always so unable to think with nuance? No critical thinking skills whatsoever, huh.

You are that poster.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

You are truly an odd duck. Do you rant on street corners about boogeymen?

Brian's victims and their families wish someone had warned them about a certain boogeyman with a knife and no regard for the lives of others as he slashed them to death. .

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Anonymous wrote:Not understanding the hate for BK family. Even if he was a weirdo and possibly violent wtf were they supposed to do about it? You can’t jail a psychopath prior to the crime. And it’s debatable his parents had any clue since the people article mentions he called his mother regularly so not sure that him chatting with her on the phone that day proves absolutely anything. The judgment here is disgusting.

Don't be naive. It was 6am. Of course she knew. It's understandable they didn't know what would happen, but they certainly knew it after it happened.

He apparently frequently called his mom as early as 4 am. I think it's odd behavior, but it doesn't sound like it was out of the ordinary for him at all.

+1, he was obviously a troubled guy who engaged in some strange or frustrating behavior, but it's wild some people seem to to think that if you had a son call you at 6am, your first thought would be "oh my kid you murdered someone." Of course it wouldn't be, even if you knew your son had problems.

The sister explains that the killer had troubles galore (including heroin addiction), but had never been violent.

I'm no criminal psychologist, but the nature of the murder doesn't strike me as the type that would come from someone openly violent in everyday life.

The sister is also not a criminal psychologist. She's not an FBI profiler. She's a mental health counselor. It didn't occur to her that her brother, who had never hurt anyone before, would murder four people in cold blood. In fact her first response upon hearing about the murders was to worry that her brother, who sometimes doesn't have it all that together, might be targeted by the person who murdered people near his home. That is the most normal and predictable response if your totally non-violent brother lived near the site of a violent murder.

There have been other murders where the family *did* suspect their family member pretty early on. In those cases, there is almost always a violent history with the family member. In most cases the family member will have threatened or even harmed someone else in the family before. There is often a criminal history of assault or DV.

But you are telling me that if a family member who had never done anything violent before, ever (and the fact that Brian had no history of violence is backed up not only by his family but by friends, classmates, teachers, school records, employers, etc.) lived near the scene of a violent murder and drove an extremely common car that had some features in common with the killer's car, you would assume the family member was the murderer?

I do not think you would.

This totally non violent brother was arrested for stealing her phone for drugs and had been in and out of rehab for a heroin addiction. He’s not your average brother. Also called his parents “Mother” and “Father”. Something was very off about him.

I am the PP. I have a brother with addiction issues. He has some unhealthy and weird habits and I am aware he has mental health issues. But he has never yelled at me, tried to physically harm me, or done either of those to anyone in our family or to anyone else that I know of.

I feel like you don't understand how many people have the exact problems this guy had and never hurt anyone. The world is full of troubled people and most of them never even commit assault much less a cold-blooded murder of four strangers. It would never occur to me that anyone I knew had done this specific crime.

Nobody is saying that people with this profile will hurt someone. But the fact that this guy, with all his baggage, acted so strangely around that time. Odd phone calls, needing to leave ASAP, hide the car, some people might get suspicious if you were being honest.

But your additional “proof” the family should have know or did know is y a tialj true, so wha now? I would wager there were many many aloof and weird brothers with a history of drug use in the 2 miles surrounding the terrible crimes. Do you think all the families of those men should have suspected their previously no violent offense brothers?

Not that drove white Elantras. And not who suddenly wanted to get their Elantra out of town right after the police announced they were looking for one.

And again, I still view violent history as a negative signal. This never looked like a set of murders from a person with an openly violent history.

Again, this did NOT happen. He told his family about his plan to drive home and pick up stuff MONTHS in advance. He planned to drive it back again! I genuinely do not understand why people think driving a car across the country is the best way to HIDE it. He LITERALLY got stopped by police en route!

Is that true? That would change my thoughts on this if it is. Where did you see the drive was planned for months?

Also, I think you're going down the wrong track regarding the risk. Under the circumstances, they didn't seem to know whose car they were looking for. Yes, if they have a plate number, driving it cross country would be a terrible idea. But that wasn't the risk. The risk was that police in the Moscow/Pullman area would see the white Elantra, run the plates, and add him to a list of people to dig into.

So, a white Elantra appearing in, say, South Dakota, doesn't mean anything. But a white Elantra in the Pullman/Moscow area would be significant.

NP, but yes, the part about the drive being planned in advance is true, or at least that's what was reported elsewhere. The cops already had a list of white Elantras registered to addresses in the area. The argument only makes sense if he didn't already live in the vicinity or the car was borrowed or a rental. The easiest way to "hide" the car would have been to leave it parked in a garage, but I just don't think "hiding" the car was ever an option.

Except he changed the car registration shortly after the murders and it was a suspicious parking attendant that brought it up to police that there was an Elantra but with Washington plates. So…maybe was trying to hide it that way. In plain sight.

He had moved there over the summer from PA. In my state you only have a few months to get new plates, so he was supposed to update the car registration and plates. Also, why would WA plates on a car in a apartment building in WA make the parking employee suspicious?

University parking staff, not apartment.

And in to photo they had, it still had a PA plate. Not particularly suspicious, except that PA doesn't require front plates. And apparently the photo they had tied to the murders didn't have a front plate.

And white Elantra was going to be suspicious in that area, though.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

You are truly an odd duck. Do you rant on street corners about boogeymen?

Brian's victims and their families wish someone had warned them about a certain boogeyman with a knife and no regard for the lives of others as he slashed them to death. .

I thought you were mad because they knew he did it and didn't tell anyone. Now they should have known prior and warned the victims?

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Anonymous wrote:She should have just stayed silent. She doesn’t even realize some of what she is saying isn’t favorable. And the picture of her with blue hair and heavy eye makeup isn’t winning anyone over either.

She says her parents used to wake them up to eat take out food on the deck. She presents it as a happy family bonding activity. It’s just strange. Who randomly gets take our food late at night and wakes up their kids? Didn't they eat dinner? Did they get sent to bed super early? Were the parents smoking pot and got the munchies?

She says he was never violent and to prove it recounts one day she was shoving him outside the house to leave and all he did was hold her hands. Umm. I have never shoved anyone out of a house or anywhere else. Why didn’t the reporter ask why she wanted him to leave.

He was diagnosed with autism in 2025, conveniently since his lawyer tried to use that to avoid the death penalty. She brings up this diagnosis but doesn’t mention it was a recent diagnosis that anyone who has a BA in psychology and getting a PH.D in criminology would know how to answer questions to get someone to diagnosis them. Maybe a better explanation of his difficulty with social interaction is because he is a sociopath who is just a downright evil person.

The mother sets a reminder of the victims birthday in her phone. It’s creepy and she shouldn’t have mentioned it. The victim’s parents don’t need to ever hear that. They don’t need to hear he picked out a birthday cake and his sister blew out the candle for him.

It’s awful all the way through. They have more information they could be giving the victims’ families but now are hiding behind-we don’t know anything, we were just a normal family and don’t talk about the crime so let’s focus on he was a heroin addict, he was a chubby kid, he (allegedly) has autism.

You are irrational and creepy.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

That wouldn't make for much of an interesting thread; of course everyone has sympathy for the victims. That literally goes without saying for most people.

Really? You just don't share sympathy or empathy for victims because it "goes without saying?" You sound like the poster that doesn't think anyone should be hospitalized or kept away from the public because the rights of the mentally ill are the most important. .

DP. You are perhaps one of the most stupid people I have encountered on DCUM. Of course it goes without saying. What is wrong with you?

And no one has said the rights of the mentally ill are most important, but neither can they be discounted.

Are you always so unable to think with nuance? No critical thinking skills whatsoever, huh.

You are that poster.

You mean the reasonable one who doesn't make stuff up about some poor family in the news?

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

You are truly an odd duck. Do you rant on street corners about boogeymen?

Brian's victims and their families wish someone had warned them about a certain boogeyman with a knife and no regard for the lives of others as he slashed them to death. .

Stop inserting yourself into a case that has nothing to do with your life. Maybe go write some fan fiction? A walk? Find a new hobby that doesn't involve pretending you are a private investigator?

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Anonymous wrote:Horrible to say, but this thread is making me think the Reiners were lucky their son killed them instead of random people. Imagine the emotional pain, the recriminations, the loss of their legacy as people speculated "what they were hiding and could have done."

The Reiners were not in complete denial about him. The Kohbergers are gross. Blowing out the candles on his birthday since they can’t be with them? Who says that part out loud? Dysfunction through and through.

I don't understand how that is dysfunctional or gross.

She’s talking to the NY Times. She didn’t think how that would come across? Lack of self awareness seems to be a family trait.

It comes across to me as a family trying to cling to some kind of normalcy even though they'll never have a "normal" family event again. It just sounds sad.

They really should have just said nothing. It’s too soon. Like the Klebold family until the mom wrote her book. But for a long while nobody wants to hear from the family of the killer.

From the many crazy posts on this thread, I'd say lots of people are interested. They just aren't happy that no one is confirming their grand conspiracy theories.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

You are truly an odd duck. Do you rant on street corners about boogeymen?

Brian's victims and their families wish someone had warned them about a certain boogeyman with a knife and no regard for the lives of others as he slashed them to death. .

Stop inserting yourself into a case that has nothing to do with your life. Maybe go write some fan fiction? A walk? Find a new hobby that doesn't involve pretending you are a private investigator?

But you're free to insert your opinion? Those innocent college students would have very much appreciated a warning that someone like BK was on the prowl that night.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

You are truly an odd duck. Do you rant on street corners about boogeymen?

Brian's victims and their families wish someone had warned them about a certain boogeyman with a knife and no regard for the lives of others as he slashed them to death. .

Stop inserting yourself into a case that has nothing to do with your life. Maybe go write some fan fiction? A walk? Find a new hobby that doesn't involve pretending you are a private investigator?

But you're free to insert your opinion? Those innocent college students would have very much appreciated a warning that someone like BK was on the prowl that night.

Who is this person who knew ahead of time and didn't warn anyone (other than the killer himself, and WTF would he do that)? You continue to talk absolute nonsense. That's a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

You are truly an odd duck. Do you rant on street corners about boogeymen?

Brian's victims and their families wish someone had warned them about a certain boogeyman with a knife and no regard for the lives of others as he slashed them to death. .

Stop inserting yourself into a case that has nothing to do with your life. Maybe go write some fan fiction? A walk? Find a new hobby that doesn't involve pretending you are a private investigator?

But you're free to insert your opinion? Those innocent college students would have very much appreciated a warning that someone like BK was on the prowl that night.

Who is this person who knew ahead of time and didn't warn anyone (other than the killer himself, and WTF would he do that)? You continue to talk absolute nonsense. That's a fact.

Those professionals who knew him from a very young age and were treating him (assuming his parents sought treatment for his bizarre behaviors) should have realized he was not "okay."

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

You are truly an odd duck. Do you rant on street corners about boogeymen?

Brian's victims and their families wish someone had warned them about a certain boogeyman with a knife and no regard for the lives of others as he slashed them to death. .

Stop inserting yourself into a case that has nothing to do with your life. Maybe go write some fan fiction? A walk? Find a new hobby that doesn't involve pretending you are a private investigator?

But you're free to insert your opinion? Those innocent college students would have very much appreciated a warning that someone like BK was on the prowl that night.

Who is this person who knew ahead of time and didn't warn anyone (other than the killer himself, and WTF would he do that)? You continue to talk absolute nonsense. That's a fact.

Those professionals who knew him from a very young age and were treating him (assuming his parents sought treatment for his bizarre behaviors) should have realized he was not "okay."

Based on what exactly were they supposed to "know" that he would stab four complete strangers? Seriously, you are cuckoo.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

You are truly an odd duck. Do you rant on street corners about boogeymen?

Brian's victims and their families wish someone had warned them about a certain boogeyman with a knife and no regard for the lives of others as he slashed them to death. .

Stop inserting yourself into a case that has nothing to do with your life. Maybe go write some fan fiction? A walk? Find a new hobby that doesn't involve pretending you are a private investigator?

But you're free to insert your opinion? Those innocent college students would have very much appreciated a warning that someone like BK was on the prowl that night.

Who is this person who knew ahead of time and didn't warn anyone (other than the killer himself, and WTF would he do that)? You continue to talk absolute nonsense. That's a fact.

Those professionals who knew him from a very young age and were treating him (assuming his parents sought treatment for his bizarre behaviors) should have realized he was not "okay."

Based on what exactly were they supposed to "know" that he would stab four complete strangers? Seriously, you are cuckoo.

Of course, they couldn't know that he would stab four complete strangers; but if they were competent, they would have realized that he needed more monitoring and support. No family is perfect, and I don't blame his parents and sisters. I know from experience in the public schools that psychiatrists and psychologists can have their own biases and feelings about certain diagnoses and medications and need for close monitoring of behaviors. His behaviors suggest that autism is not the key factor contributing to his violent actions.

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Anonymous wrote:For you geniuses who can’t fathom that the family didn’t predict their son/brother would becomw a mass murderer—
Even if they could have predicted —good luck getting help…read about what parents of children who are actual KNOWN psychopaths (though term reserved for adults but showing signs of psychopathy as children) deal with….maybe educate yourselves and idk… don’t throw stones? Glass houses and all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

Don’t throw stones? You frantic posters keep giving yourselves away. Much sympathy for the Kohbergs but not a peep about the actual victims.

You are truly an odd duck. Do you rant on street corners about boogeymen?

Brian's victims and their families wish someone had warned them about a certain boogeyman with a knife and no regard for the lives of others as he slashed them to death. .

Stop inserting yourself into a case that has nothing to do with your life. Maybe go write some fan fiction? A walk? Find a new hobby that doesn't involve pretending you are a private investigator?

But you're free to insert your opinion? Those innocent college students would have very much appreciated a warning that someone like BK was on the prowl that night.

Who is this person who knew ahead of time and didn't warn anyone (other than the killer himself, and WTF would he do that)? You continue to talk absolute nonsense. That's a fact.

Those professionals who knew him from a very young age and were treating him (assuming his parents sought treatment for his bizarre behaviors) should have realized he was not "okay."

Based on what exactly were they supposed to "know" that he would stab four complete strangers? Seriously, you are cuckoo.

Of course, they couldn't know that he would stab four complete strangers; but if they were competent, they would have realized that he needed more monitoring and support. No family is perfect, and I don't blame his parents and sisters. I know from experience in the public schools that psychiatrists and psychologists can have their own biases and feelings about certain diagnoses and medications and need for close monitoring of behaviors. His behaviors suggest that autism is not the key factor contributing to his violent actions.

And what form would this monitoring take? How would they know to warn the victims? Would these be psychic psychiatrists?