Overlee Crash & Burn

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Anonymous wrote:The 8U relay was tuckahoe I believe, CB’s biggest rivals. Let’s not pretend that T wouldn’t do the same thing when an opponent’s relay DQed as well. The “upper” D1 teams are unbelievably competitive. Everyone goes all in every meet. I can assure you that CB was not cheering in a harmful way. They don’t care that the kid DQed, they cheered because it worked in their favor. Any possible points scored needed to be scored to win the meet. Think about it this way: if a quarterback throws a turnover the opposing fans cheer. Not in a harmful way to the QB, but because their team got the ball back.

No, the other D1 teams are not like this, it’s only CB. At D1 relay carnival CB DQ’d two relays and no one (including Tuckahoe, their supposed biggest rival) was cheering at their misfortune because wtf…. I was there, there was no cheering at all by any other teams when it happened.

This is the definition of bad sportsmanship when you cheer like this. Instead cheer for success and encourage both your own team and rivals to do their best. Shake hands. It’s a rec summer swim league for goodness sake. Good competitive races are great, cheering for people to lose is terrible behavior.

I think in the speech before every meet in the NVSL code of conduct they actually mention sportsmanship and the proper behavior. Cheering when a “rival” 8 year old DQs does not fit the bill.

It’s not easy chill rec for the top 2 teams in d1. When a team hangs banners like they’ve won the superbowl or nba champs in their indoor pool…that’s the intensity you’re getting. As far as cheering for a DQ, I see it in that context of intensity. Bad sportsmanship? I guess. How many here have cheered when a kid on the opposing team has fouled out etc etc or taken satisfaction? I have.

Perhaps don’t score all stars? Or designate certain coaches to truly make all star lineups and have these relays battle it out.

D4 NP here, and no dog in this fight, but this is simply not comparable to contact sports foul or yellow card where there is some kind of physical contact/interference against the other team. The DQing kid never did anything “at” the other teams that would have interfered with their performance. There really is no good reason to cheer at anyone being DQ’d in swimming because even if it results in your team winning, it is a sad way to win.

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Anonymous wrote:The 8U relay was tuckahoe I believe, CB’s biggest rivals. Let’s not pretend that T wouldn’t do the same thing when an opponent’s relay DQed as well. The “upper” D1 teams are unbelievably competitive. Everyone goes all in every meet. I can assure you that CB was not cheering in a harmful way. They don’t care that the kid DQed, they cheered because it worked in their favor. Any possible points scored needed to be scored to win the meet. Think about it this way: if a quarterback throws a turnover the opposing fans cheer. Not in a harmful way to the QB, but because their team got the ball back.

Yeah, well, I don’t know a single grownup who would cheer when an 8 year old made a mistake, and particularly not in public. That is beyond tacky and mean. Quit justifying CB’s poor choices and hurtful behavior.

What is wrong with these D1 pools? Who cheers when an 8 yr old visibly DQs? Sure you might be internally happy but you keep that an inside thought.

I was sad for my kid who didn’t get to swim that the meet was cancelled but when I heard the meet would not be scored I saw that as a bright side. D1 teams can suck it. Worst part of ASR are the D1 teams.

Please do not lump all the D1 pools together. The behavior of 2 teams is not reflective of the entire division and the rest of us in D1 are just as appalled by it as the rest of you.

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Also as an aside. Watching both coaches of these teams. T was sitting quietly watching the races for the most part. The CB coach was almost frothing at the mouth. I am not a T fan by any means but it was a much better look.

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No dog in this fight. But from my perspective, much easier to look relaxed when you are sitting in a front row seat at the middle of the pool watching your swimmers swim. Why did T coaches get front row seat? No other coaches had this seating.

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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight. But from my perspective, much easier to look relaxed when you are sitting in a front row seat at the middle of the pool watching your swimmers swim. Why did T coaches get front row seat? No other coaches had this seating.

He was sitting with the Tuckahoe parents. The Chesterbrook coach was also standing with the Chesterbrook parents. The two coaches were probably 10 feet apart from each other. Neither one of them chose to stand in the coaches area. Their behavior was wildly different.

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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight. But from my perspective, much easier to look relaxed when you are sitting in a front row seat at the middle of the pool watching your swimmers swim. Why did T coaches get front row seat? No other coaches had this seating.

because, like EVERY year, the top D1 teams take over the entire bleacher are and claim all the best seats saving a front row seat for their coaches.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! The Chesterbrook coaches were really nice when they coached McLean. Perhaps it’s the Chesterbrook parent who demand their coaches be mean.

Do they also require joker warpaint on the coach faces and death skulls on their tshirts? That is what the coaches and teens were wearing at relay carnival. They also had a scary psycho animal painted on the side of their tent. Is this what we call driven nowadays?!

Death skulls? Do you not know the 'punisher' war logo? The representation of a vigilante spirit, a refusal to back down... No death skulls around!

Hi CB! Isn’t the punisher war logo from Frank Castle in the marvel series.? He was a one man executioner. Aggressive, violence, and death. Perfect themes for youth swimming.

Your post and attempt at justification show exactly what people are talking about here. Your team seems clueless on how this is perceived by other people. It comes across as threatening and violent. There is absolutely no place for these dark themes in a summer swim league that is filled with young children. Get a clue!

I like the punisher logo - it's pretty bad ass.

Not the point.

Not the PP, but we think it's 'cute' for kids to dress up as pirates who have a sordid and violent history and other super heroes who have very dark character histories. How about bounty hunter logo from star wars? Is that better? Just saying that there's not a lot of difference between punisher and skull and cross bones....

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No dog in this fight but Tuckahoe had like 50 volunteers at this meet. I have no problem with them saving a seat for their coach. The 'chill' needs to be reserved for the people on this forum.

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what was the DQ? Assuming something like starting with wrong stroke if it was something everyone noticed right away.

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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight. But from my perspective, much easier to look relaxed when you are sitting in a front row seat at the middle of the pool watching your swimmers swim. Why did T coaches get front row seat? No other coaches had this seating.

because, like EVERY year, the top D1 teams take over the entire bleacher are and claim all the best seats saving a front row seat for their coaches.

Except not this year. I was there at 2pm when they opened the gates to allow spectators to come in. Overlee, Tuckahoe, Chesterbrook and a handful of folks from OKM came in and sat down. There were two full bleachers and numerous lounge chairs completely empty and available for the next hour and a half. I also saw everyone being nice to other teams and parents who had swimmers in specific heats and making room--like Overlee and Tuckahoe making room for Wakefield Chapel to step up and watch their kids.

Thank you Lincolnia Park for all the great seating this year--especially the single event viewing section and how smoothly it operated!

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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight but Tuckahoe had like 50 volunteers at this meet. I have no problem with them saving a seat for their coach. The 'chill' needs to be reserved for the people on this forum.

yes they were the co-hosts so had lot of volunteers, but even in years when they have a normal amount of volunteers they all do this.

And despite being "hosts" host pools do not get preferential treatment. We host relay carnival in our division and like all other team we draw a number for out team area/don't get any special preferences.

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Anonymous wrote:what was the DQ? Assuming something like starting with wrong stroke if it was something everyone noticed right away.

No - it was not obvious. CB fans cheered when ref approached T team rep in the team area.

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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight but Tuckahoe had like 50 volunteers at this meet. I have no problem with them saving a seat for their coach. The 'chill' needs to be reserved for the people on this forum.

yes they were the co-hosts so had lot of volunteers, but even in years when they have a normal amount of volunteers they all do this.

And despite being "hosts" host pools do not get preferential treatment. We host relay carnival in our division and like all other team we draw a number for out team area/don't get any special preferences.

There are some slight benefits to being a relay carnival host -- for spectator seating, the host team's families likely have the shortest commute to the pool and can more easily get there early to grab seats (plus, your kids will share the earliest warmup slot, giving you a reason to be there early). To be clear, I have no problem with this. It's nice when we host (and anyone from any team can, of course, also get there early to do the same thing).

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Anonymous wrote:No dog in this fight but Tuckahoe had like 50 volunteers at this meet. I have no problem with them saving a seat for their coach. The 'chill' needs to be reserved for the people on this forum.

yes they were the co-hosts so had lot of volunteers, but even in years when they have a normal amount of volunteers they all do this.

And despite being "hosts" host pools do not get preferential treatment. We host relay carnival in our division and like all other team we draw a number for out team area/don't get any special preferences.

There was no preferential treatment, these large teams just show up earlier because they have relays in almost every single heat. That’s the reality.

There is also single event seating which was made even larger this year by the host teams so that people who did not want to come early to grab seats can still watch their swimmers race.

Personally I thought the seating was great this year. Not sure what a complaint about the D1 pools taking up space when they have the most relays is even about. Anyone can get there early to sit down.

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I don’t love Tuckahoe, but the complaints about the seating are ridiculous. Yes Tuckahoe was a cohost because they send so many kids to this event and don’t have the space at their own facility to host, but they didn’t get any preferential treatment. Instead of people complaining about three teams taking over bleachers if you have a problem with it, come early and reserve a spot for your team. Every team has the exact same opportunity to claim spaces in the bleachers and some teams choose to do it and some teams don’t our team did not arrive early and we’re still able to get a good amount of bleacher space to watch our kids.