Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant

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Anonymous wrote:Did the DOJ update get filed today?

Yes. DHS cited the WH video of Bukele saying he wouldn't smuggle him to the US - as if that is meaningful.

The hearing tomorrow is going to be lit.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.

El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.

Wow, you got all of the lies and talking points in there in a single post. Are you going to get a treat and a belly rub like a good boy?

At least you admit that Donald is too weak for other leaders to respect his wishes.

The president could actually follow the Supreme Court and [b]tell Bukele to bring him back if he wanted to do so. The DOJ and President were literally in the room with him, the only obstacle to bringing him back is the president and DOJ itself.

And when he says no again, then what?

Trump didn’t ask at all.

Why did he need to ask if the President of El Salvador preempted the question by saying he wouldn't let him go?

What you're really saying is that the Supreme Court ordered President Trump to ask - which it didn't - because that would be stepping on the President's Article II power to conduct foreign diplomacy. The Supreme Court was very careful in its order. All the judicial branch can do is order President Trump to "facilitate" his return, but that requires the President of El Salvador to release him.

DP. No, the Supreme Court ordered the government to fix their mistake and get him back here. However they wanted. Trump could ask Bukele. Noem or Rubio or anyone could send a plane over and pick him up. Etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.

El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.

Wow, you got all of the lies and talking points in there in a single post. Are you going to get a treat and a belly rub like a good boy?

At least you admit that Donald is too weak for other leaders to respect his wishes.

The president could actually follow the Supreme Court and [b]tell Bukele to bring him back if he wanted to do so. The DOJ and President were literally in the room with him, the only obstacle to bringing him back is the president and DOJ itself.

And when he says no again, then what?

Trump didn’t ask at all.

Why did he need to ask if the President of El Salvador preempted the question by saying he wouldn't let him go?

What you're really saying is that the Supreme Court ordered President Trump to ask - which it didn't - because that would be stepping on the President's Article II power to conduct foreign diplomacy. The Supreme Court was very careful in its order. All the judicial branch can do is order President Trump to "facilitate" his return, but that requires the President of El Salvador to release him.

No, the Supreme Court very specifically said Trump had to facilitate his release. It said the district court order “properly requires the government to 'facilitate' Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador.”

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El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

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Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

You are talking in circles and fooling no one.

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Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

He was illegally sent to El Salvador. This is a ridiculous argument. If you take this reasoning to its logical endpoint, the administration can illegally disappear US citizens and there is no accountability. He is already talking about sending US citizens to camps in El Salvador and if you don’t realize how dangerous this is you are a fool.

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Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

If that country is paying us to hold him for them, absolutely. Are you really this stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.

El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.

Wow, you got all of the lies and talking points in there in a single post. Are you going to get a treat and a belly rub like a good boy?

At least you admit that Donald is too weak for other leaders to respect his wishes.

The president could actually follow the Supreme Court and [b]tell Bukele to bring him back if he wanted to do so. The DOJ and President were literally in the room with him, the only obstacle to bringing him back is the president and DOJ itself.

And when he says no again, then what?

Trump didn’t ask at all.

Why did he need to ask if the President of El Salvador preempted the question by saying he wouldn't let him go?

What you're really saying is that the Supreme Court ordered President Trump to ask - which it didn't - because that would be stepping on the President's Article II power to conduct foreign diplomacy. The Supreme Court was very careful in its order. All the judicial branch can do is order President Trump to "facilitate" his return, but that requires the President of El Salvador to release him.

DP. No, the Supreme Court ordered the government to fix their mistake and get him back here. However they wanted. Trump could ask Bukele. Noem or Rubio or anyone could send a plane over and pick him up. Etc.

Where did the Supreme Court order this? Please provide an exact quote.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

If that country is paying us to hold him for them, absolutely. Are you really this stupid?

DP. Are you sure that the U.S. is paying for El Salvador to hold him?

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Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

You are talking in circles and fooling no one.

DP. Are you suggesting that the U.S. violate El Salvador air space, then put military forces on the ground to break him out of prison, then bring him back to the U.S.? Is that what the Supreme Court ordered?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

If that country is paying us to hold him for them, absolutely. Are you really this stupid?

He is a citizen of El Salvador. I doubt anyone outside of the US gives a crap about what our supreme court has ruled. If their president doesn't want to send him back, he won't. And what would we do about it? The SCOTUS doesn't have jurisdiction there.

Are you really this stupid?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

You are talking in circles and fooling no one.

DP. Are you suggesting that the U.S. violate El Salvador air space, then put military forces on the ground to break him out of prison, then bring him back to the U.S.? Is that what the Supreme Court ordered?

Has your king asked for his return?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

If that country is paying us to hold him for them, absolutely. Are you really this stupid?

He is a citizen of El Salvador. I doubt anyone outside of the US gives a crap about what our supreme court has ruled. If their president doesn't want to send him back, he won't. And what would we do about it? The SCOTUS doesn't have jurisdiction there.

Are you really this stupid?

El Salvador just wants to be paid. We should stop paying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did the DOJ update get filed today?

Yes. DHS cited the WH video of Bukele saying he wouldn't smuggle him to the US - as if that is meaningful.

The hearing tomorrow is going to be lit.

What time is the hearing tomorrow?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:El Salvador is a sovereign country. He is a citizen of El Salvador. You can't just send a plane and go pick someone up from there. Should another country be able to come pluck a US citizen from our soil and take them back to their country?

If that country is paying us to hold him for them, absolutely. Are you really this stupid?

DP. Are you sure that the U.S. is paying for El Salvador to hold him?

“The Central American nation and Trump administration last month struck a deal to house migrants detained in the United States. The Trump administration contended that El Salvador could even house American citizens, though the U.S. cannot deport citizens to another country.

Rubio and Bukele discussed the specifics of the new transfer, which include a cost of about $20,000 to house each prisoner for the year. A State Department document also suggests that it may set aside $15 million to send to El Salvador to house additional members of the gang.”

https://apnews.com/article/trump-deportations-salvador-tren-aragua-64e72142a171ea57c869c3b35eeecce7