Supreme Court Sides With Wrongly Deported Migrant

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I really hope he is still alive. Not sure why both Presidents are digging their heels in over this one individual.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.[b]

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.

El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.

Wow, you got all of the lies and talking points in there in a single post. Are you going to get a treat and a belly rub like a good boy?

At least you admit that Donald is too weak for other leaders to respect his wishes.

The president could actually follow the Supreme Court and tell Bukele to bring him back if he wanted to do so. The DOJ and President were literally in the room with him, the only obstacle to bringing him back is the president and DOJ itself.

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Trump DGAF about the SCOTUS/laws/Constitution/ethics/etc.

He thinks can do what TF he wants - because the GOP lets him.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope he is still alive. Not sure why both Presidents are digging their heels in over this one individual.

Probably because he’s already dead.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope he is still alive. Not sure why both Presidents are digging their heels in over this one individual.

Probably because he’s already dead.

I hope he's not, poor man. But I think this was meant as a big publicity stunt and it falls apart when you start bringing people back. There are many innocent Venezuelans who need to be brought back as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope he is still alive. Not sure why both Presidents are digging their heels in over this one individual.

Bc either he is dead or if he comes back, everyone would be lining up to hear about the gulag in El Salvador. Either way-the administration ends up looking even worse than they do now.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.

El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.

Wow, you got all of the lies and talking points in there in a single post. Are you going to get a treat and a belly rub like a good boy?

At least you admit that Donald is too weak for other leaders to respect his wishes.

The president could actually follow the Supreme Court and [b]tell Bukele to bring him back if he wanted to do so. The DOJ and President were literally in the room with him, the only obstacle to bringing him back is the president and DOJ itself.

And when he says no again, then what?

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.

El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.

Wow, you got all of the lies and talking points in there in a single post. Are you going to get a treat and a belly rub like a good boy?

At least you admit that Donald is too weak for other leaders to respect his wishes.

The president could actually follow the Supreme Court and [b]tell Bukele to bring him back if he wanted to do so. The DOJ and President were literally in the room with him, the only obstacle to bringing him back is the president and DOJ itself.

And when he says no again, then what?

He won't tell him no. If he actually asks.

Crazy, isn't it? Bukele understands laws better than Trump does, than you do.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope he is still alive. Not sure why both Presidents are digging their heels in over this one individual.

Probably because he’s already dead.

They have confirmed he’s alive, and being held in prison because El Salvador wants him there.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope he is still alive. Not sure why both Presidents are digging their heels in over this one individual.

Probably because he’s already dead.

They have confirmed he’s alive, and being held in prison because El Salvador wants him there.

Because the United States wants him there. El Salvador wants him there only because they are being paid, not because they have charged him with anything or think he's a criminal or terrorist.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.

El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.

Wow, you got all of the lies and talking points in there in a single post. Are you going to get a treat and a belly rub like a good boy?

At least you admit that Donald is too weak for other leaders to respect his wishes.

The president could actually follow the Supreme Court and [b]tell Bukele to bring him back if he wanted to do so. The DOJ and President were literally in the room with him, the only obstacle to bringing him back is the president and DOJ itself.

And when he says no again, then what?

Trump didn’t ask at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope he is still alive. Not sure why both Presidents are digging their heels in over this one individual.

Probably because he’s already dead.

They have confirmed he’s alive, and being held in prison because El Salvador wants him there.

Yes Trump has made the US weak and powerless. Bet Biden could have gotten back.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

because he was sent away illegally without due process, so it is incumbent upon the administration to get him back and either release him, or given the the due process he is afforded under the Constitution. Anything short of that voids the Constitution as a guiding principle for our republic.

I agree on all of those points, and always have. My point was (and still is) he is currently in his home country, we do not have the authority to bring him back here. His country can send him if they want, and they are refusing. His country can release him, and they haven't, so at this point, what is the plan?

Do we have the authority to grab a citizen of a country FROM that country (especially if they are not charged with a crime)?

Does Italy have the authority to come to the USA and take Amanda Knox back to Italy? How is this different?

He should not have been deported, but now that he has been, he is under the jurisdiction of El Salvador.

El Salvador is not refusing to send him back. President Trump is refusing to ask them to send him back.

El Salvador’s President confirmed today that he will not return this illegal immigrant gang member. No court can force a foreign government to return their national who was illegally present in this country.

Wow, you got all of the lies and talking points in there in a single post. Are you going to get a treat and a belly rub like a good boy?

At least you admit that Donald is too weak for other leaders to respect his wishes.

The president could actually follow the Supreme Court and [b]tell Bukele to bring him back if he wanted to do so. The DOJ and President were literally in the room with him, the only obstacle to bringing him back is the president and DOJ itself.

And when he says no again, then what?

Trump didn’t ask at all.

Why did he need to ask if the President of El Salvador preempted the question by saying he wouldn't let him go?

What you're really saying is that the Supreme Court ordered President Trump to ask - which it didn't - because that would be stepping on the President's Article II power to conduct foreign diplomacy. The Supreme Court was very careful in its order. All the judicial branch can do is order President Trump to "facilitate" his return, but that requires the President of El Salvador to release him.

[Anonymous]

Did the DOJ update get filed today?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope he is still alive. Not sure why both Presidents are digging their heels in over this one individual.

Probably because he’s already dead.

They have confirmed he’s alive, and being held in prison because El Salvador wants him there.

El Salvador is not known for honesty and this administration has repeatedly lied to the American people. They have literally provided no independently verifiable evidence that he is alive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really hope he is still alive. Not sure why both Presidents are digging their heels in over this one individual.

They aren’t. Everyone else is. They are literally lobbing this guy back and forth.